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A_submitter
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 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: Time to put this site to the ground. (Again) |
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Salam,
I dont get you people. You claim that Islam is all about hate; what are you doing now, loving? you strive to disprove the Quran, and agree with things like "rebbutals to science in quran" to stupid stuff like "what do bees eat"?
Why are you even on this forum? Because after you read the Quran, you wanted to go to anything to dis-prove it? Quran says Iron came from space. The Quran was right on about embryology. The person with the most knowledge about embryology in the world, Kieth Moore, converted to Islam. The most notable geologist in the world, Alfred Kroner, converted to Islam.
The Quran says people will try to disprove it by interpreting it to make it look wrong.
Well, give me all you got. I will answer all you "rebutalls" of the Quran. |
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Anti-Jihad
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Time to put this site to the ground. (Again) |
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| A_submitter wrote: |
The person with the most knowledge about embryology in the world, Kieth Moore, converted to Islam. The most notable geologist in the world, Alfred Kroner, converted to Islam.
The Quran says people will try to disprove it by interpreting it to make it look wrong.
Well, give me all you got. I will answer all you "rebutalls" of the Quran. |
Can you please prove that these two individuals converted to islam ?
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| Facts for you. There is only 1 country in the world, that comes even close to Shariah law and it is Saudi. |
There is so much hatred in Islam that it even turns on itself. |
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Haik Monsieur
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| Well, give me all you got. I will answer all you "rebutalls" of the Quran. |
Are you serious about this? IF you are, I have many to give, but I won't commit loaded questions fallacy. One at a time. Are you there ready?
Khalil x-Muslim
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A_submitter
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Time to put this site to the ground. (Again) |
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| Anti-Jihad wrote: |
| A_submitter wrote: |
The person with the most knowledge about embryology in the world, Kieth Moore, converted to Islam. The most notable geologist in the world, Alfred Kroner, converted to Islam.
The Quran says people will try to disprove it by interpreting it to make it look wrong.
Well, give me all you got. I will answer all you "rebutalls" of the Quran. |
Can you please prove that these two individuals converted to islam ? |
Kroner:"I am astonished at the scientific facts that I have seen in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, which we could not prove until recently by modern scientific methods. This indicates that the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not attain this knowledge except by revelation from above."
Moore: "For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulazîz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur'ân and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'ân and Sunnah."[2]
At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated:
"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'ân about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah." [1]
Professor Moore also stated that:
"...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'ân and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.
"The intensive studies of the Qur'ân and Hadîth in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'ân cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."[1] |
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A_submitter
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Haik Monsieur wrote: |
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| A_submitter wrote: |
| Well, give me all you got. I will answer all you "rebutalls" of the Quran. |
Are you serious about this? IF you are, I have many to give, but I won't commit loaded questions fallacy. One at a time. Are you there ready?
Khalil x-Muslim |
You got questions, I got answers. |
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Haik Monsieur
Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Haik Monsieur wrote: |
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| A_submitter wrote: |
| Well, give me all you got. I will answer all you "rebutalls" of the Quran. |
Are you serious about this? IF you are, I have many to give, but I won't commit loaded questions fallacy. One at a time. Are you there ready?
Khalil x-Muslim |
You got questions, I got answers. |
Agreed: One by one.
See the following verses:
Those who disbelieve will be addressed: "Indeed the aversion of Allah was more greater than your aversion one of another. When you were invited to the faith, you refused." They will say: "Our Rabb (Lord)! You put us to death twice and gave us life twice. Now we confess our sins. Is there any way out (of this)? [Quran 40: 10-11]
Focus on the bolded: It signifies two lives and two deaths of human beings.
To die twice one has to live twice. We know of one life. The life we live now. Then we cease to exist in this world, to live in (Barzakh) then waking up to an eternal life either in heaven or hell.
One life and one death. But one is missing..! Where is the missing life?
EDIT: I can't stay online longer because it is late in here. If you come up later I will only be able to pick you up after eight or more hours. So be patient.
Khalil
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A_submitter
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Haik Monsieur wrote: |
| A_submitter wrote: |
| Haik Monsieur wrote: |
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| A_submitter wrote: |
| Well, give me all you got. I will answer all you "rebutalls" of the Quran. |
Are you serious about this? IF you are, I have many to give, but I won't commit loaded questions fallacy. One at a time. Are you there ready?
Khalil x-Muslim |
You got questions, I got answers. |
Agreed: One by one.
See the following verses:
Those who disbelieve will be addressed: "Indeed the aversion of Allah was more greater than your aversion one of another. When you were invited to the faith, you refused." They will say: "Our Rabb (Lord)! You put us to death twice and gave us life twice. Now we confess our sins. Is there any way out (of this)? [Quran 40: 10-11]
Focus on the bolded: It signifies two lives and two deaths of human beings.
To die twice one has to live twice. We know of one life. The life we live now. Then we cease to exist in this world, to live in (Barzakh) then waking up to an eternal life either in heaven or hell.
One life and one death. But one is missing..! Where is the missing life?
EDIT: I can't stay online longer because it is late in here. If you come up later I will only be able to pick you up after eight or more hours. So be patient.
Khalil |
Lets take a look at the verse. It says 2 deaths, so what does that mean? When a baby is in the womb of the mother, is he alive or dead? The soul is in the body, but he isnt alive yet, so that constiutes you bieng dead. Heres a better example when you are sperm, in constitutes that you are there, but you are dead and are yet to live.
Heres another one. Before your sperm or dont even exist in this world, you are dead. But how can you be dead if you dont even exist? Allah will know that you will exist one day and to him your dead, and you have yet to live. Your soul does in fact exist, though, and the particles that will make up your body in nature does exist.
So, basically, Allah knows everything, and to him your dead, since he knows you will live. |
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Haik Monsieur
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Lets take a look at the verse. It says 2 deaths, so what does that mean? When a baby is in the womb of the mother, is he alive or dead? |
Alive. A.L.I.V.E
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| The soul is in the body, but he isnt alive yet, so that constiutes you bieng dead. |
No. I was alive in womb.
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| Heres a better example when you are sperm, in constitutes that you are there, |
It constitutes sperm is there. Not a human being. There is a long way to go for a sperm to meet with ovum and conceive.
(Have you finished your school?)
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| but you are dead and are yet to live. |
Dead where?
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| Heres another one. Before your sperm or dont even exist in this world, you are dead. |
Wwwwhat? I am dead before I gained life? (where are you from man?)
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| But how can you be dead if you dont even exist? |
You asked my question. glad.. then? The story is interesting...
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| Allah will know that you will exist one day and to him your dead, and you have yet to live. Your soul does in fact exist, though, and the particles that will make up your body in nature does exist. |
But I brought out verses in which mere mortals speaking up. Not Allah. Let Allah know all or let him know best. But human beings were asking the question. Why drag Allah into this?
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| So, basically, Allah knows everything, and to him your dead, since he knows you will live. |
I expected an answer not a sermon.
I repeat the question again: Two lives and two deaths are mentioned by infidels (human beings) in hereafter. We could just figure out one life and one death. Where is the other?
I will retire now so.. good night! You may post your answer for me to pick up after I wake up..and do not fade away puhleez 
Khalil
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THHuxley_redux
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Time to put this site to the ground. (Again) |
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| Anti-Jihad wrote: |
| Can you please prove that these two individuals converted to islam ? |
Kroner:"I am astonished at the scientific facts that I have seen in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, which we could not prove until recently by modern scientific methods. This indicates that the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not attain this knowledge except by revelation from above."
Moore: "For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulazîz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur'ân and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'ân and Sunnah."[2]
At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated:
"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'ân about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah." [1]
Professor Moore also stated that:
"...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'ân and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.
"The intensive studies of the Qur'ân and Hadîth in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'ân cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."[1] |
Nowhere in any of those quotations does either scientist say he accepted Islam and became a Muslim.
In actual fact... neither of them did.
So... how do account for that? If they really believed what you quoted in that post... why did they not believe it themselves and become Muslim?
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sun
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: Re: Time to put this site to the ground. (Again) |
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Nowhere in any of those quotations does either scientist say he accepted Islam and became a Muslim.
In actual fact... neither of them did.
So... how do account for that? If they really believed what you quoted in that post... why did they not believe it themselves and become Muslim? |
Members of the International Society of Liars And Murderers at work again. |
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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Location: A Holiday Inn bathroom
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: Re: Time to put this site to the ground. (Again) |
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Salam,
I dont get you people. You claim that Islam is all about hate; what are you doing now, loving? you strive to disprove the Quran, and agree with things like "rebbutals to science in quran" to stupid stuff like "what do bees eat"?
Why are you even on this forum? Because after you read the Quran, you wanted to go to anything to dis-prove it? Quran says Iron came from space. The Quran was right on about embryology. The person with the most knowledge about embryology in the world, Kieth Moore, converted to Islam. |
No he didn't. So who's the fool now? In fact, now you have to explain why he didn't. Why does one claim that the Quran must come from divine origins and yet not convert? Has he been playing with you and others to make Saudi Petrol Dollars? I'll leave that for you to figure out, and if you're reasonably bright, you'll figure it out for yourself.
So what say yee now?? How could you be so foolish? So had?? So taken?? Doesn't it make you angry to be deceived by the insane Salafis??
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piscohot
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Time to put this site to the ground. (Again) |
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Salam,
I dont get you people. You claim that Islam is all about hate; what are you doing now, loving? you strive to disprove the Quran, and agree with things like "rebbutals to science in quran" to stupid stuff like "what do bees eat"?
Why are you even on this forum? Because after you read the Quran, you wanted to go to anything to dis-prove it? Quran says Iron came from space. The Quran was right on about embryology. The person with the most knowledge about embryology in the world, Kieth Moore, converted to Islam. The most notable geologist in the world, Alfred Kroner, converted to Islam.
The Quran says people will try to disprove it by interpreting it to make it look wrong.
Well, give me all you got. I will answer all you "rebutalls" of the Quran. |
Yes. and what's wrong with that?
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:31 am Post subject: |
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HM
I have 3 simple questions for you, and I do not need a ceremonic speech, just simple answers of yes/no
do you agree that the opposite of life is death?
if yes, then
do you agree that when live things die, their bodies disolve and siappear totally, i.e. their bodies became NON EXISTANT?
if you also answer yes then do you agree death = non existance?
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MsWesterner
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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A submitter...how come you,like most muslims,dont know WHY Prof Moore has refused to talk/publish re koran for past 10 years?
and did he convert to islam....are you 100% sure of that,or is it something someone has told you lol
and when do you think science will prove
-no ovum was necessary for your conception
-that you were once a blood clot(as was believed in that era)
-that you were created from a drop emitted from between backbone/ribs
-that your bones formed first and the last phase of foetal formation was when they they THEN clothed/dressed in outer skin/flesh etc
WHY do you think the mistaken beliefs in that era written in koran are TAUGHT TO YOU AS IF THEY WERE FACT? |
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MsWesterner
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: |
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ahmed..you are quite desperate if you want to claim a phase prior to a sperm is death lol
and dont you find it embarrassing when a fellow muslim goes on about Prof Moore not knowing whats happened since lol |
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