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Haik Monsieur
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First of all, lets look at another translation:
YUSUFALI: They will say: "Our Lord! twice hast Thou made us without life, and twice hast Thou given us Life! Now have we recognised our sins: Is there any way out (of this)?"
Ok, its simple. You were without life before you came on this earth. There, its settled. |
Darn..you don't even know how to escape when you are done. This is not the escape route.
Ask your fellow Muslim Ahmed Bahgat who is a PROFESSIONAL ARABIC SPEAKER. He can tell you what original Arabic verse means.
Khalil
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Haik Monsieur wrote: |
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First of all, lets look at another translation:
YUSUFALI: They will say: "Our Lord! twice hast Thou made us without life, and twice hast Thou given us Life! Now have we recognised our sins: Is there any way out (of this)?"
Ok, its simple. You were without life before you came on this earth. There, its settled. |
Darn..you don't even know how to escape when you are done. This is not the escape route.
Ask your fellow Muslim Ahmed Bahgat who is a PROFESSIONAL ARABIC SPEAKER. He can tell you what original Arabic verse means.
Khalil |
why do not you ask me confused HM?
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charleslemartel
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Will someone close to dear AB explain to him that "Dismissal" is NOT even an argument, let alone a GREAT Argument.
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peacebewithyou
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: Re: Time to put this site to the ground. (Again) |
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| The most notable geologist in the world, Alfred Kroner, converted to Islam. |
What makes you write he is "the most notable geologist in the world"?
Ask him whether he converted. His answer will be:
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Dear *********,
I have answered literally hundreds of e-mails over the years concerning this issue. In 1979 I attended a geological conference in Jedda, Saudi Arabia, and there was a TV-Interview with five western geologists, organized by the then Minister of Religious Affairs who had a PhD in Geology. The issue was whether the Quran was compatible with modern views on the evolution of the Earth. As you can imagine there are alsways aspects in religious writing that are compatible with nature, and the Quran is no exception. The citations that you now find on these religious sites are taken out of context, I cannot even remember details of the interview.
In any case, whatever you find on these sites I surely never said as it is quoted now. There is little I can do about this, I asked several friends in the islamic world for advice, and they all said just to leave it and live with it.
Best wishes, Alfred |
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Did you actually ask him?
Woland |
I was wondering too. Also, we need this peice of gem in wikiislam. I have encounter many muslims mentioning about alfred. This would help
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piscohot
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Let's take someone who lived 200 years ago, does this person exist today?
The answer has to be no, this is because death = non existance
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| Living bodies die, |
well, but death = non existance, let's look at the following verse:
How do you disbelieve in Allah and you were dead and He gave you life, then He will cause you to die, then give you life, then to Him you shall return?
[Al Quran ; 2:28]
كَيْفَ تَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَكُنتُمْ أَمْوَاتاً فَأَحْيَاكُمْ ثُمَّ يُمِيتُكُمْ ثُمَّ يُحْيِيكُمْ ثُمَّ إِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَ (2
-> See what Allah is saying: وَكُنتُمْ أَمْوَاتاً فَأَحْيَاكُمْ ثُمَّ يُمِيتُكُمْ ثُمَّ يُحْيِيكُمْ, i.e. and you were dead and He gave you life, then He will cause you to die, then give you life,, i.e. and you were NON EXISTANT and He gave you life, then He will cause you to die (AND BECOME NON EXISTANT), then give you life,, i.e. two deaths and two lives
Therefore from a logical point of view, the Quran verses talking about two lives and two deaths are 100% accurate
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I am beginning to believe that Ahmed knows better than Allah. Allah never mention anything about non-existence = death.
According to Ahmed, you were non existant, that is, you are dead and Allah made you alive? How can you be dead UNLESS you were once ALIVE?
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skynightblaze
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Will someone close to dear AB explain to him that "Dismissal" is NOT even an argument, let alone a GREAT Argument. |
Dismissal from ahmed means " DO not ask me confusing questions as i cannot answer them" Its admittance to defeat. 
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ixolite
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Time to put this site to the ground. (Again) |
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| peacebewithyou wrote: |
| Woland wrote: |
| kereng wrote: |
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| The most notable geologist in the world, Alfred Kroner, converted to Islam. |
What makes you write he is "the most notable geologist in the world"?
Ask him whether he converted. His answer will be:
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Dear *********,
I have answered literally hundreds of e-mails over the years concerning this issue. In 1979 I attended a geological conference in Jedda, Saudi Arabia, and there was a TV-Interview with five western geologists, organized by the then Minister of Religious Affairs who had a PhD in Geology. The issue was whether the Quran was compatible with modern views on the evolution of the Earth. As you can imagine there are alsways aspects in religious writing that are compatible with nature, and the Quran is no exception. The citations that you now find on these religious sites are taken out of context, I cannot even remember details of the interview.
In any case, whatever you find on these sites I surely never said as it is quoted now. There is little I can do about this, I asked several friends in the islamic world for advice, and they all said just to leave it and live with it.
Best wishes, Alfred |
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Did you actually ask him?
Woland |
I was wondering too. Also, we need this peice of gem in wikiislam. I have encounter many muslims mentioning about alfred. This would help |
Those were different people. Meteo was one of them:
http://www.german.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3858
(The question is in german, but the answer in english. Tells you something about the amount of e-mails he must get about this.)
And here Hux wrote to Prof. Hay:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15933
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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We all know what dismissal means and yet, for some bizarre reason, he keeps using it.
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A_submitter
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, I have already answered one. Any other questions? |
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Haik Monsieur
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| Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, I have already answered one. Any other questions? |
Whooops..! Where is your answer? I don't see any.
Okay.., I said it to Ahmed my aim here in this thread is not to disapprove Quran. (I don't need much time to discard Quran, because Quran itself has a fatal paradox within it. I have an article on this in the main page. You may check it if you feel like)
Do you agree that Quran mentions two lives and two deaths? I brought Quranic verses which indicates two lives and deaths. One life and death is missing here, which we can sort out with the same Quran. But first concede to this. Does not Quran signify two lives and two deaths of human beings?
Once you do it, I will move on. I repeat it: my aim here is not to discredit Quran but to show a fundamental flaw in Muslims' concept of god.
Still darn.., why do I have this feeling you will not be capable of withstanding such a broad topic and discussion..??
Khalil
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A_submitter
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| Ok, I have already answered one. Any other questions? |
Whooops..! Where is your answer? I don't see any.
Okay.., I said it to Ahmed my aim here in this thread is not to disapprove Quran. (I don't need much time to discard Quran, because Quran itself has a fatal paradox within it. I have an article on this in the main page. You may check it if you feel like)
Do you agree that Quran mentions two lives and two deaths? I brought Quranic verses which indicates two lives and deaths. One life and death is missing here, which we can sort out with the same Quran. But first concede to this. Does not Quran signify two lives and two deaths of human beings?
Once you do it, I will move on. I repeat it: my aim here is not to discredit Quran but to show a fundamental flaw in Muslims' concept of god.
Still darn.., why do I have this feeling you will not be capable of withstanding such a broad topic and discussion..??
Khalil |
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YUSUFALI: They will say: "Our Lord! twice hast Thou made us without life, and twice hast Thou given us Life! Now have we recognised our sins: Is there any way out (of this)?"
I agree that we were lifeless twice and will have life twice. We were lifeless before we are alive and lifeless after. We have this life on earth and the other life in the day of resurection. Ready to move on? |
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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| Ok, I have already answered one. Any other questions? |
You guys crack me up. I don't know whether it's crafty and purposeful, or true mental patient action.
Q) Hey Abu bin Pupu, what color is a telephone poll??
A) Fruits have many colors and we can not be sure which fruit this verse is talking about. See? I have answered you. You have been definitively answered. So take that you unbelieving punk. Islam finally wins you punks. Yeah !!! Yeah !!!
So there is nothing wrong with my head, and I can tell you for a fact that Allah's angels wear white lab coats because i just saw them a half hour ago and they gave me great stuff and turned my free internet access back on and pushed my hospital bed up so that i can see my free internet properly.
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Haik Monsieur
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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YUSUFALI: They will say: "Our Lord! twice hast Thou made us without life, and twice hast Thou given us Life! Now have we recognised our sins: Is there any way out (of this)?"
I agree that we were lifeless twice and will have life twice. We were lifeless before we are alive and lifeless after. We have this life on earth and the other life in the day of resurection. Ready to move on? |
NO. Scrap the Yousf Ali translation and come into terms. The original Ayat (verses) does not say "without life" It says "Rabbana Amatana thnataini" = "Oh lord you caused us die twice" Picktal's translation is right.
Do you admit this? If so, we can move on.. but oh.. wait. I will log out now, because I need some rest. You post your response for me to pick up later.
Khalil
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piscohot
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Those dumb kafirs are inded funny
they say you can not be dead unless you are alive first
yeh yeh, like we can not have an egg unless we have a chicken first, opps I mean we can not have a chicken unless we have an egg first
watch this you fools:
Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? |
DISMISSED..... for making a STUPID statement.
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