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Kalb al–Barr
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There’s a hadith where one of Muhammad’s companions kisses the black meteorite in the K‘aba and says to it he knows it’s only a stone and can do nothing, but he saw Muhammad kiss it once, which is the only reason he’s doing it now!
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Winston
Joined: 26 Jun 2008
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Location: Mecca (top secret)
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If Osama bin Laden began to realise that what he is doing is wrong and that Christianity would guide him to salvation and he felt a deep sense of remorse and desire to atone for his sins, then yes he potentially could be.
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I think the path of prophethood in christianity is very simple and easy enough to make any one as Paul makes from himself an apostle.
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Why should Jesus Christ appoint that rat as an apostle when that rascal's actions are closer to the religion he born in to and and closer to the Prophet of Islam he follows dear boy???
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When you call Osama as a rat and a rascal because of his actions, So you call Paul as the same. because he did the same.
And the choice of Osama bin Ladin as the new apostle of christianty is very suitable, because Osama follows the bible's intractions completely since the bible says :
and Osama follows these instructions, what an obedient apostle!
if you talking about Islam, this is verses from the holy book, of course i mean the Quran, because there is no holy book but Quran.
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"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. 2 : 190 "
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). 8 : 61"
"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. 5 : 28"
"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers.60:8"
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. 2:193"
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. 2:256"
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them).15:2-3"
"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......18:29"
"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! 10:99"
"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). 24:54"
"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine.109:1-6"
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witty_boy, your logic in this post is just terrible and you express a great deal of ignorance. I was disappointed to see such an untelligent and uninformed post.
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witty_boy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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So teach me and answer this post, i want to learn from your wide knowledge.
iam sure that you have some questions about your religion,and you don't have answers to these questions. for example, the trinity concept, Do you find it logical ? if you do, so don't talk with me about the logic any more. How can god,Jesus christ,and Holy spirit be one?? this is a serious question in the christian belief.
if the prophet Muhammad(pbuh) did something you interpret it as a misdeed, that doesn't make him not a prophet. just look for something other than what you see interpreted wrongly, and form a conspectus of his actions, sayings, and every thing about him. you will find his biography can't be a sinner's. The human being never known about someone as they knew about the prophet muhammad(pbuh), every bit he had done was recorded, So why do you all focus your effort about his marriages and battles. You indeed have a problem in your logic which you claim that we muslims don't think within it. If he fought for looting and women, so why did he refused the money in the beginning although this money would be extremly greater than any other quantity he(pbuh) has ever had , although he would marry the kings' belles?? why did he said "O my uncle, if they placed the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left hand to cause me to renounce my task, verily I would not desist therefrom until Allah made manifest His cause or I perished in the attempt." ?? you completely have a problem in ur logic ?? how did this man said that and you call him as a criminal ?? where is this logic you used to talk about ?? |
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yeezevee
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| witty_boy copy/pastes a silly story and asks a question: why did he said "O my uncle,if they placed the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left hand to cause me to renounce my task, verily I would not desist therefrom until Allah made manifest His cause or I perished in the attempt." ?? you completely have a problem in ur logic ?? how did this man said that and you call him as a criminal ?? where is this logic you used to talk about ?? |
So why did Muhammad say that to HIS UNCLE?? Do you when he said that to his uncle?? Is it written in Q'uran?? or is it a silly story Muslims made up to outshine all the con man activities of Muhammad one year after the death of his wife Khadija?? Any way here is another story from http://www.whymuhammad.com/en/contents.aspx?aid=2378 and that is about Abdullah ibn Masood ..
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...The sun was blistering hot. There was no hope of attaining water in the harsh mountain passes of Makkah, where the blessed Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wasallam, and his companion Abu Bakr took respite from the oppression and the insults of the pagan Makkans. As they penetrated deeper into the passes, a great thirst overtook them, a thirst that exhausted their bodies and parched their throats.
They went further searching for water when they caught sight of a boy driving a flock of sheep. He looked thin and small, but at a closer look he was well in his teens "Young man, give us some milk from one of these ewes to quench our thirst," the Prophet said, sallallahu alayhi wasallam. "I am not going to do it, for I am entrusted with these sheep, which belong to Uqbah ibn abi Mu'ait." The Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, did not argue and was rather pleased with the youth's honesty. "Then show us a young ewe which has not given birth to a lamb," he said, "This I will do," replied the youth. The Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, seized it, and stroke its udder with his hand as he invoked Allah. To his great amazement, the youth saw the udder swell and milk started flowing from it. He knew very well that an ewe which has never had a lamb could not produce milk. Abu Bakr fetched a hollow stone, which the Prophet filled with milk. He gave Abu Bakr and the youth drink... |
So that is how Muhammad produces MILK from an ewe which has never gave a birth to a lamb .. Just by stroking the sheep the milk flows.. do you have any similar stories of Muhammad to tell dear witty_boy??.. Peopel make up all sorts of stories dear witty_boy., We got grow up..
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Fathom
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syamal
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| Why is it always through jibril? If Moses has a privilege to talk to god direcly why can't god talk to muhammad directly too to see that both are prophets of god? |
Very funny question. There was no satellite phone system in mahamoood's time. Allahchubhanutala needed a messanger to communicate. |
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MaximGatling
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So teach me and answer this post, i want to learn from your wide knowledge.
iam sure that you have some questions about your religion,and you don't have answers to these questions. for example, the trinity concept, Do you find it logical ? if you do, so don't talk with me about the logic any more. How can god,Jesus christ,and Holy spirit be one?? this is a serious question in the christian belief.
Don't change the subject. Not all of us are Christians and tend to agree with you. That doesn't validate your other points and is irrelevant to the arguement.
if the prophet Muhammad(pbuh) did something you interpret it as a misdeed, that doesn't make him not a prophet.
Our only real evidence that he was a Prophet was his claiming to be, which is no evidence at all. In all the universe, I can find no evidence that God has in the past, present or ever will appoint a "Prophet". However, Prophets, like politicians and Televangelists are held to a higher standard.
just look for something other than what you see interpreted wrongly, and form a conspectus of his actions, sayings, and every thing about him. you will find his biography can't be a sinner's. The human being never known about someone as they knew about the prophet muhammad(pbuh), every bit he had done was recorded,
I've read it all. Everything printed in english, that is. Mohammed was no different or better than Koresh, Jim Jones, Kirby Hensley, Brigham Young, that whacko from Japan....He was a manipulative cult leader, not a Prophet.
So why do you all focus your effort about his marriages and battles. You indeed have a problem in your logic which you claim that we muslims don't think within it. If he fought for looting and women, so why did he refused the money in the beginning although this money would be extremly greater than any other quantity he(pbuh) has ever had , although he would marry the kings' belles?? why did he said "O my uncle, if they placed the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left hand to cause me to renounce my task, verily I would not desist therefrom until Allah made manifest His cause or I perished in the attempt." ?? you completely have a problem in ur logic ?? how did this man said that and you call him as a criminal ?? where is this logic you used to talk about ??
He's a criminal because he:
Stole
Raped
Murdered
Lied
What he did was considered wicked in just about every time frame and culture in the history of man. Sure other people and nations did it, but that doesn't make it right or acceptable.
He used his status as a "Prophet" to justify that behavior and even make it appear "righteous". There's a word for that, my friend.
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