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AhmedBahgat
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| Aksel Ankersen wrote: |
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| Anti-Jihad wrote: |
Hi Ahmed,
Just clarifying, will you dismiss soemone for calling it three times with an "a", in a single post, or is it three times in total ? |
Not in a one thread of course, they have to be three different incidents then the life dismissal, however if you shove a stick up your arse, then I will give ya three more chances |
This is getting plain weird, how will you know if the other guy has done that? |
he must provide a photo evidence
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Cassandra
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| AB wrote: |
Look, when you talk Quran verse with me, you MUST bring the verse and walk me through it to make your point, other than that I have to dismiss it
Now, if I go to a country named KosKos that you know nothing about, and in there they use a currency named FukFuk, then when I came back I told you I bought a cheap car in there for 50 FukFuks, what do you think your reaction will be?
Well let me tell you my reaction if we reverse the story and it was you who bought the cheap car for 50 FukFuks, well, my answer may be, either you tell me how much is the FukFuks or you may Fuk off |
Profanity only shows you lose, Ahmed.
Your argument is false because even today few are up to date with foreign currency exchange rates, and yet to be accurate you have to use the correct currency.
If you go to Hungary, you pay with Forints - you don't pay with Bangladeshi Takas. So if you buy a car in Hungary you can't say you bought it with Takas because you didn't.
Particularly if you say you COUNTED OUT the currency.
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But the verse never told us who was counting the money, right?
The word Madudah is an adjective describing the money, and I am sure you will agree with that, but why you assume that the people who sold Yusuf were the ones who counted the money?
Well, I assume that the verse means that Yusuf was sold for en equivalent amount of Darhams that Mohammed and his people can count
See, my word against yours, you can not prove yours, nor that I can prove mine, i.e. SPECULATIVE AND NOT APPARENT |
It's obvious that it must be the person who paid who counted the money, as well as the persons who received it.
Of course Muhammad didn't count the money - because he wasn't there.
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Counted days (the month of Ramadan); but whoever among you is sick or in a journey, then a counted number of other days; and on those who are able to fast it (but for some reasons they can’t) is a ransom, feeding a one who is in need; but whoever volunteers seeking goodness to do it (fast), it is good for him; and if you fast, (it is) good for you if you know.
[Al Quran ; 2:184]
أَيَّامًا مَّعْدُودَاتٍ فَمَن كَانَ مِنكُم مَّرِيضًا أَوْ عَلَى سَفَرٍ فَعِدَّةٌ مِّنْ أَيَّامٍ أُخَرَ وَعَلَى الَّذِينَ يُطِيقُونَهُ فِدْيَةٌ طَعَامُ مِسْكِينٍ فَمَن تَطَوَّعَ خَيْرًا فَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَّهُ وَأَن تَصُومُواْ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ (184)
-> See above, Allah is describing the totals days of the Month of Ramadan (the days we should fast) as: أَيَّامًا مَّعْدُودَاتٍ , Ayaman Madudat, i.e. Counted days, now the Muslims never count the days of Ramadan, they do not even know how many days Ramadan is going to be until day 29, and on such day, Ramadan may finish or it may be 30 days, now, part of the message in the verse that those 29 or 30 days are not huge in comparison with the whole year, it is like Allah is telling us that He is only commanding us to fast 1/12 of the year, and certainly 1 compared to 12 is a considered low, i.e. Counted days means a figure of speech to indicate that it is a low figure in comparison to the whole year |
Of course the days of Ramadan can be counted - after the event. There is nothing to say that the Muslim has to count the days BEFORE Ramadan.
The verse is merely saying that the Muslim can replace the number of days with an equal number of days if he is sick or travelling. This counting is AFTER the event because the Muslim may/will not know how many days he will be sick before the event.
| AB wrote: |
Now, I want you to open you mind because I am going to go very technical:
Now to physically count something, we need more than ONE item of such thing, i.e. PLURAL
For example, we may physically count many books (PLURAL), but most certainly we can not count ONE book (SINGULAR)
Now if you look again in verse 12:20, you should notice that Darhams is Plural, as well the word Madudat is plural
Also in the verse above, 2:184, you should notice that the word Ayama is Plural as well the word Madudat is plural
Now if the word Madudat in Arabic is only used with plural, I would have given merit to your argument, but let me show you a verse where the word Madudat is used with a SINGULAR and in such case the word should be Mudud (still means counted but singular) :
And We do not delay it except to a counted term.
[Al Quran ; 11:104]
وَمَا نُؤَخِّرُهُ إِلَّا لِأَجَلٍ مَعْدُودٍ (104)
-> In the verse above, Allah is telling us that He is delaying the JD to: أَجَلٍ مَعْدُود , Ajal Madud, i.e. a counted term, see, no human is counting such term, also in no way Allah will be counting either, the message of the verse that whatever term that is until the JD, it is Madud (Singualr adjective), i.e very short in the eyes of Allah in comparison with eternity |
Are you saying Allah cannot count? What's this with the plural/singular red herring????
Of course the verb and noun are plural - because the dirhams were plural. Thereby proving that they were supposed to be COUNTED - hence proving that Allah is a fake and Muhammad was a liar.
I don't think you're convincing anyone, AB, including yourself.
Let me give you an example:
If you bought a book with Egyptian Pounds, you don't go and tell someone else that you paid for it with Euros - which you counted out. That would be a lie because you DIDN'T count out the Euros - you counted out the Egyptian pounds.
If you're telling an European about this, you don't say, "I counted out a few Euros to pay for the book." --> this means that you actually used Euros.
If you wanted to convey the sense of value you'd say something like, "I bought the book for about five Euros." --> leaving out the fact that you 'counted out the Euros" because you didn't.
The 'counting of the Euros' part conveys the meaning that you actually paid with Euros, not Egyptian Pounds.
Now, do you get it, AB? |
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Cassandra
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See how Ahmed lies through his teeth.
| Ahmed Bahgat wrote: |
Look, do not bring any of aussie racist cassie in here, do not you have a brain for yourself or you need a woman to guide ya? If you do then please find a decent and a wise woman, not a bloody confused racist aussie freak
When the verse use Ayaman Madudat, it was talking about the whole month of Ramadan, it has noting to do with missing some days for whatever reason, however yeas the same verse mentioned missing some days and what we should do then, and in such case it makes bloody sense that if I miss 1 day, I fast 1 day, and if I miss 2 day, I fast 2 day, at least before I will do it, I know in advance how many missed days I have to fast, unlike the whole month of Ramadan which in no way known for the first 29 days
Today for example, is 28 Ramadan, now, we can not know when Ramadan will finish until tomorrow night and inshaallah tomorrow night will know if we should fast Tuesday and celebrate Eid on Wednesday or tomorrow is the last day and we celebrate Eid on Tuesday , therefore the Ayam Madudat (the whole month of Ramdan) is unknown to us till this moment yet it is called Madudat, i.e. Counted, yet we do not know how much we are counting in advance
It is not like the guy who bought Yusuf starting counting the money until the seller told him to STOP, that is infukinsane, therefore the word Madud has a metaphor meaning in Arabic that surely an ignorant like you and your mentor, racist and freak aussie cassie, know absolutely nothing about |
2:184 doesn't mention Ramadan - that's mentioned in the next verse.
2:184 merely states that:
Literal Days/times counted/numbered, so who was from you sick/diseased or on (a) journey/trip/voyage, so numbered/counted from other days/times...
It means that the Muslim has to COUNT the days when they are sick or travelling so they substitute (i.e. count) from OTHER days.
There is no mention that the Muslim has to count all the days of Ramadan before the month begins.
| Ahmed wrote: |
Now following your argument above which is stupid because Ajal is SINGUALR, i.bloody e. it can not be counted, but let me assume for argument sake that we count the singular:
Then Allah also knew precisely how mush Yusuf was sold for and He said the story using the local currency for the audience to make sense of it, Do not forget that He was the One Who saying the story, not you or confused auusie racist freak cassie, and it happens that He used the local currency to express the meaning of His story |
This is merely a red herring. The counted term (singular) is in no way the same as the 'dirham counted (plural). Ahmed is trying to hoodwink people by making it seem as if the plural count (i.e. dirham) is the same as the singular count.
Besides, one can count a singular. The verse says that Allah does not delay it (i.e. the day of judgement) except for a 'counted' term - i.e. the period of time to the day of judgement had already been counted.
Thus, in this verse you can 'count' even a singular 'term'.
Stop hoodwinking people, Ahmed. You can fool yourself but you're fooling nobody else. We know the Quran says the dirhams were counted - hence Muhammad must have been under the delusion that they were in existent during Joseph's time. You don't use the word 'count' when you are merely translating into a local currency. Ignoring this point doesn't help your case - it just means you have no answer to this basic irrefutable logic. |
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katlike
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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Location: If I told you, it would be a lame game of hide and seek.
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| If you say at the time of Yusuf, the people never used Dirhams, then the Quran means Yusuf was sold for an equivalent amount of local currency of so and so, do not forget that the Quran was saying a STORY, while yes it is a real story, yet it is logically acceptable to use a local currency to express something that is sold for an unknown currency to the local |
How is it logically acceptable to use local currency to express something that is sold for an unkown currency?
Who does that?
You would say "It sold for 12 claimshells, which is 100,000 of our FukFuks [sic].
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| You remind me with a dumb Chinese that I watched on Fox Life Style channel on a show called Protecting Australian Borders, |
I am not even sure why you told us this story, while yes, according to you it is a real story, are you sure you want to say mohammed's god was just as stupid as a dumb Chinese woman on a silly television show? She was unable to convert currency, who else had that problem in their STORY? [sic] Who claimed divinity in their STORY?
Your defense is lacking.
Peace, Love and Health,
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infidel_01
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Where is Ahmed? 
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Aksel Ankersen
Joined: 13 May 2008
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Location: Away, sorry about this.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Where is Ahmed? |
He's awaiting my reply, ball's in my court, actually. 
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