Muhammad greedy for women

[sum]

Hello The Infamous

Will you now admit that Muhammad was greedy for women? Consider the following -

The wives of Prophet Mohammed - by Dr. Roushangar

The Prophet's wives are listed in four categories:
1) The women whom he married and stayed with till his death in 632.

2) Women that he captured in wars the ones he slept with but never married or they did not want to marry him. His concubines

3) Women he married and divorced after a short time.

4) Women that may or may not have been married to him

In the first category his wives were:
Khadijeh, daughter of Khovilid, they married in the year 595 when she was 40 and he was 25 years old. They lived together for 24 years 10 years of it after Mohammed declared himself a messenger from Allah. It is ironic that during these ten years Allah never, told Mohammed to marry another woman. They had four daughters and adopted a son, named Zaid. She died in 619.

Soodeh, Daughter of Hamzeh, they married in the year 620 when she was 30 years old and he was 50. This was second marriage for both of them. They both had lost their spouse.

Ayesh, a six year old child that Allah offered Mohammed in 623 when he was 53 years old. She was his favorite and he died in her arms in 632.

Hafzeh, daughter of Omar Ibn Khatab. He married her in 625. She was 18 years old and had lost her husband in the battle of Badr.

Omeh Salmeh, Daughter of Almeghireh, they married in 626 when she was 29 years old. Her husband had died in the battle of Ohod.

Zeinab, daughter of Khazimeh, he married her in 626 when she was 30 and had lost her first and second husbands in the war of Badr. She died a few months later.

Jorieh, daughter of Hares, He married her in 627 and freed her tribe. She was a 20-year old war booty. She was so beautiful that who ever laid an eye on her fall in love with her.

Zeinab, daughter of Jahesh, she was his cousin and married to Zeid the Prophet’s adopted son. Mohammed fell in love with this woman and asked Zeid to divorce her and he married her in the year 628. She was 38 years old. Koran 33-37 gives the prophet the right to marry his adopted son’s wife. “When Zaid had accomplished his want of her, we gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah’s command shall be performed.” What a nice Allah, whenever this man desires a woman Allah just says OK you can have it.

Ramleh, Daughter of Abu Sofyan, known as Omeh Habibe, they married in the year 628. She was 38-year-old widow and her husband had left Islam.

Safieh, daughter of Hay Ben Khatab was from a Bani Nazir a Jewish tribe. Her husband died in 628 in the battle of Kheibar. Safieh’s husband had refused to tell Mohammed where he had hidden his wealth and was killed under torture. The same night Mohammed took Safieh, the 17-year old beauty to his bed. Later he married her.

Meimooneh, daughter of Haress. Mohammed married her in 628 and she was 27 years old.

Mohammed’s concubines
Marieh, daughter of Shamoon. A black beauty given as a gift to the Prophet by the king of Egypt.

Rayhaneh, daughter taken as a war booty. Mohammed took her to bed after he ordered the killing of her husband in the year 627. She did not agree to be his wife and stayed in his Haram as slave until her death in 632.

Women Mohammed married and divorced quickly.
Asma daughter of Neman

Ghotileh, Daughter of Ghaice

Malaeke Daughter of kaab

Bent Jandeb daughter of Damareh

Fatima, Daughter of Sahaak

Omreh, daughter of Yazid

Alyeh, daughter of Zobyan

Saba, daughter of Sofyan

Nesha daughter of Rafieh

Ghazieh, daughter of jaber

Fatima, daughter of shoreh

Sanaa daughter of Salim

Alshanba, daughter of Omar

Kholeh, daughter of Alhavhil

Shargh daughter of Khalifeh

Kolleh daughter of Hakim

In addition there are 7 more women that may or may not have married Mohammed.

Habibeh daughter of Sahl
Laili daughter of Khatem
Omeh Hani daughter of Abi Taleb
Dobeh, daughter of Amir
Safieh daughter of Beshameh
Emareh or Emameh daughter of Hafzeh
Omeh Habib daughter of Alabas

Would you agree that this indicates that Muhammad was greedy for women? If you do not, then you have redefined the definition of "greedy". Your comments please.

sum

[Brendalee]

Yes, there is certainly the Islamic concept that a Muslim cannot really be considered to "rape" a non-Muslim woman when he rapes her, because of a list of Islamic justifications: In the never-ending WAR that Mohammad declared agaist non-Muslims she is halal as a Muslim right hand possession/captive. Furthermore, as if he needed more justification, she is not under Allah's protection because she is not a Muslimah.


INFAMOUS:

Muslims can rape their wives, their slaves, their captives - whether Muslimahs or not - because sex with these is PERMISSIBLE.

Your hadith does not prove that the man was punished by Mohammad for the RAPE of this Muslimah, and not for UNLAWFUL SEX. And it does not prove your assertion that Mohammad decreed death for Muslim rapists. You claim that since the hadith does not MENTION that the man was married, we should assume he was not. Why? Neither does the hadith mention he was NOT married, but you make free with THAT assumption.

What we DO know from the hadith is that the man was STONED. This is the punishment for adultery. So the circumstantial evidence indicates that he could well have been married.

You want to assert that he was punished for attacking this woman and harming her. I assert that it was not about rape but only about who was permissable to him and who was not. I assert that had it not been established that she was forced (the guilty man fully confessed), she ALSO would have been punished by Mohammad for ILLEGAL SEX.

Haik put up an interesting hadith from Sahih Bukhari in the Breaking News On Islam forum on the thread "Islamists stone to death Somali woman for adultery" (page 5, about in the middle of the page). Did you not see that?

This is the hadith about a Bedouin and the employer of the Bedouin's son going to Mohammad for a judgement. Seems the Bedouin's son committed ILLEGAL SEX with the wife of his employer. The people said that the Bedouin's son should be stoned to death, so the Bedouin paid the husband of the woman 100 sheep and a slave girl as a ransom for his son. Scholars told the Bedouin that the right punishment for his son should be 100 lashes and 1 year exile.

Mohammad decreed that the sheep and slave girl should be returned to the Bedouin - that the Bedouin's son should get 100 lashes and 1 year exile.

Now, here is the interesting part: The wife of the employer is sentenced to death by Mohammad in absentia! Mohammad orders: "O Unais! GO to the wife of this (man) and STONE HER TO DEATH".

THUS, the woman here does not even get to testify on her own behalf!
HER side of the story is utterly irrelevent to Mohammad.

Was she raped or did she consent? We will never know because Mohammad did not think it germaine to even hear from her.

Certainly, circumstantial evidence suggests that she did NOT consent.

Her husband neither punished her by killing her himself, nor did he bring her for Mohammad's judgement. The "people" thought the son should be stoned (the wrong punishment if he was unmarried), but the hadith does not say that the "people" suggested any punishment for the wife.

We can never know whether she consented or not because THIS WAS NOT THE ISSUE to Mohammad, and he did not think it important enough to make it an issue. In fact, he did not feel the need to hear anything she might have to say.The issue was ILLEGAL SEX and not about CONSENT OR LACK OF CONSENT.

Now, please tell me what the QURAN says about a situation where a husband rapes his wife's slave. Is he lashed? Is he stoned to death under the law you say Islam has for rapists?

[Mersk]

Simply put, I am more interested to know from the Famous One how non - Muslims can rape Muslimnah under Islamic laws.
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MAM = Muslims acting as Muslim Affairs Ministers for Modk. HAM = Last Profit of Islam.

[diametric]

this mohammedan here says girls can be married off even if they are one year old.Paedophile mohammed lied and people are still suffering.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1fjCmPTSsbA

[yeezevee]

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[The Infamous]

[Haik Monsieur]

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[The Infamous]

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[Brendalee]

The Infamous: Why do you ignore that Mohammad ordered a woman stoned in her absense, without bothering to hear anything from her or question her? How is this consistent with your assertion that Mohammad made RAPE a stoning offence for Muslims, when he shows no interest in whether she was or not - and no hesitation to order her stoned without hearing her side of the story?

[Brendalee]

The Infamous:

You say to me: "You insulted Allah, and you don't have the common sense to
know that when speaking of Allah in front of a Muslim, just
say "Allah". You don't have to add "filthy" or "Satanic"
because that will piss any Muslim off."

So be pissed off. So what? Why do I need to kow-tow to the delusion of Muslims? This fake Allah does not hesitate to offend me by calling non-Muslims the worst of creation and vile. Your fake Quran does not hesitate to offend Christians and Jews by jeering at them and saying spiteful things.

If Muslims are free to propagate and propagandize their fraud book and their fraud god that spews hatred and espouses a supremacy doctrine for Muslims and calls non-Muslims the lowest of creation, then Muslims have no right to demand that these delusions should be "respected" by non-Muslims.

If Muslims are offended by words like "filthy" or "Satanic" applied to their fraud god and his fraud book or his fraud prophet, then why is it ok for their Islamic religion to offend non-Muslims and spew hatred? I believe that such spewing of hatred IS "filthy" and "Satanic".

I have as much right to my opinion as Muslims have to theirs.

Nobody has the right to never be offended. So all I can say to you in response to your lecture is: too bad.

[sum]

The following quote was provided by Rex in another thread -

Tabari VIII:97 "When I returned to Medina, the Prophet met me in the market and said, 'Give me the woman.' I said, 'Holy Prophet of Allah, I like her, and I have not uncovered her garment.' Muhammad said nothing to me until the next day. He again met me in the market and said, 'Salamah, give me the woman.' I said, 'Prophet, I have not uncovered her garment but she is yours."

There was not even anything gracious in the way that he asked - or, should I say, demanded. He spoke as if the woman was just some "object".

It highlights Muhammad`s attitude towards women.

sum

[The Infamous]