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Brendalee
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Brenda, let me set something straight.
Don't ever even dare speak to me unless you speak with respect. |
For that to be possible, I would actually have to feel some sort of respect towards you. I rarely respect those who do not respect me, and your rabid defence of a doctrine of hate that sees me as something less than human rather precludes that. Do you see my problem?
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| Above, you refered to Allah as "Satanic" yet you believe that your post deserves a response? |
I think your fraudgod IS Satanic. Whether you respond or not does not change my opinion about that.
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| In Islam, rape is something well-known. |
I AGREE. Yes, in fact it is VERY VERY well-known! At least to HAPPEN. But it is rarely treated as a crime.
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| The Prophet himself laid out the death penalty for those who are guilty of rape. |
Bring your evidence. I would like to see just exactly what it says.
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| Also, you believe that you have the right, to stand as a judge and claim that Islam is guilty until proven innocent |
Islam does not need me to condemn it. It condemns itself with its own texts and with the behaviours of its most religious adherents.
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| Well, last time I checked, it is up to the "plaintiff" to bring evidence against Islam, not for the "defendant" to give evidence, if that's how you see it as. |
The "defendant" gave its evidence in its texts and in the doctrinally consistant practises of its leader and its followers throughout 1400 bloody years until today. Now the "plaintiff" is reminding you of the evidence, according to Islam's OWN texts.
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| The Quran and the Hadiths say many times to treat your right-hand possessions with kindness, so this rules out the possibility of rape. |
I cannot even be bothered with the vast lie that statement is, because it begins with the assumption that SLAVERY is kind! Anyone who begins with the assumption that slavery is kind, can by no means be relied upon to conclude that rape is UNkind.
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| Such ignorance on your part shows how ignorant you really are of Islam. I can't believe that I'm EDUCATING, not debating, people who actually think that they have a right to have an opinion on Islam. |
You delude yourself if you believe you are doing the educating at FFI.
To use a phrase like "people who actually think that they have a right to have an opinion on Islam" shows that you really have no contact with reality. Islam expresses plenty of opinion on non-Muslims, but we have no right to a counter-view? Islam vows to dominate us, but we have no right to resist? Islam exhorts its followers to slaughter us, but we have no "right" to "have an opinion"? Tell me, Infamous, are you quite insane?
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| This is unbelievable |
You took the words right out of my mouth. |
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Mersk
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Interesting read. There are comments about the times and how things were, etc. That the Koran actually elevates the status of slave to ensure good treatment.
However, let's take a look at what we understand today and that is that slavery is dehumanizing, it is not a good thing nor is it legal in most of the world. IF the Koran is scripture and the way to live life for ALL TIMES, would'nt it say that under no circumstances are people to have slaves?
For me, this is yet another proof that the Koran is not from a superior being but the mind of a self-serving individual. |
Why .. I can see quite a few Muslims on this thread having strong opinions and objections to stopping Muslim mothers from joining the sex slavery trade. Glory it is to the Muslim women and Muslim mothers out there for their nobility in the cause of Islam. They should be rightly possessed!! and so they are.
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Mersk
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Might I ask of the readers of FFI? Is Allah the only God that was and is allowed the lucrative sex slave trade.
The other Gods have no jurisdiction to muscle in on this trade practices and no mortals can claim likewise.
Allah laid down the laws how Muslim mothers are to be traded too, one must assume this to be true also - Of course only the punk HAM had those rights to rewrite the rules on sex slavery in his years as Moprit of Islam.
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The Infamous
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Mersk, stop making posts. No one understands what you say and you're just a waste of space.
And Brenda,
I have no desire to continue this conversation with someone as despicable as yourself; someone who actually believes that she can talk down to Muslims and expect a sincere response.
Now regarding rape, Islam forbids it. Read this:
Sunan Abu Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4366
Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:
When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.
She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.
She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).
When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.
He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.
He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.
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Brendalee
Joined: 30 Sep 2006
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I'm on my way to get some sleep, but I would like to make some brief comments on your hadith.
Firstly the bracketed word "rape" is added.
Secondly, the man who attacked this woman CONFESSED to illegal sex.
That she was forced was the only mitigation that saved her from being stoned with him for ILLEGAL SEX.
The man had sex with a woman who was not allowable to him which was clearly ILLEGAL SEX.
Had she been "allowable" for him, he could have raped her with impunity.
Islam is about who it is permissible to have sex with and who it is not permissible to have sex with; If a female is allowable to him, consent or non consent is not an issue.
So if that's the best you can come up with, it is pretty pathetic and proves nothing. My though, didn't Mohammad get off on stonings!
Infamous, if any Muslim can support and defend hatred for me as a non-Muslim as they are taught in the Quran and ahadith and sunnah then I feel no obligation to speak to them in any way that they might erroneously think they have a right to dictate. |
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The Infamous
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: |
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I'm on my way to get some sleep, but I would like to make some brief comments on your hadith.
Firstly the bracketed word "rape" is added.
Secondly, the man who attacked this woman CONFESSED to illegal sex.
That she was forced was the only mitigation that saved her from being stoned with him for ILLEGAL SEX.
The man had sex with a woman who was not allowable to him which was clearly ILLEGAL SEX.
Had she been "allowable" for him, he could have raped her with impunity.
Islam is about who it is permissible to have sex with and who it is not permissible to have sex with; If a female is allowable to him, consent or non consent is not an issue.
So if that's the best you can come up with, it is pretty pathetic and proves nothing. My though, didn't Mohammad get off on stonings!
Infamous, if any Muslim can support and defend hatred for me as a non-Muslim as they are taught in the Quran and ahadith and sunnah then I feel no obligation to speak to them in any way that they might erroneously think they have a right to dictate. |
YOU IDIOT, HOW MUCH MORE STUPID CAN YOU BE?
Read the hadith itself. It says in the beginning that the man overpowered and assaulted her. Later on it adds the fact that he had INTERCOURSE with her. The fact that the words "rape" was added in brackets is stating nothing more than the obvious and what the interpretors and the early scholars all agree on. It makes no sense for you to disregard such important information.
Second of all, had he been punished because it was illegal sex, then he would have been FLOGGED not STONED. He would have been flogged with 100 stripes, not stoned to death.
ANYONE WITH AN OUNCE OF KNOWLEDGE OF SHARIA LAW WOULD KNOW THIS.
Had he been STONED to death because he MIGHT have been married, then the Hadith would definitely have indicated that. But since it doesn't, then it's safe to say that he was STONED to DEATH because he RAPED HER.
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Mersk
Joined: 16 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: |
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Mersk, stop making posts. No one understands what you say and you're just a waste of space.
And Brenda,
I have no desire to continue this conversation with someone as despicable as yourself; someone who actually believes that she can talk down to Muslims and expect a sincere response.
Now regarding rape, Islam forbids it. Read this:
Sunan Abu Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4366
Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:
When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.
She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.
She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).
When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.
He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.
He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.
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And no one understands the Quran either except Muslim mothers into sex trade?
Did your forebears understood that Muslim mothers must abide by the edict laid down by Punk HAM. That they be rightly possessed by non - Muslims as lawful. I am secure in the knowledge I am very well understood.
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Brendalee
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: |
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I'm on my way to get some sleep, but I would like to make some brief comments on your hadith.
Firstly the bracketed word "rape" is added.
Secondly, the man who attacked this woman CONFESSED to illegal sex.
That she was forced was the only mitigation that saved her from being stoned with him for ILLEGAL SEX.
The man had sex with a woman who was not allowable to him which was clearly ILLEGAL SEX.
Had she been "allowable" for him, he could have raped her with impunity.
Islam is about who it is permissible to have sex with and who it is not permissible to have sex with; If a female is allowable to him, consent or non consent is not an issue.
So if that's the best you can come up with, it is pretty pathetic and proves nothing. My though, didn't Mohammad get off on stonings!
Infamous, if any Muslim can support and defend hatred for me as a non-Muslim as they are taught in the Quran and ahadith and sunnah then I feel no obligation to speak to them in any way that they might erroneously think they have a right to dictate. |
YOU IDIOT, HOW MUCH MORE STUPID CAN YOU BE?
Read the hadith itself. It says in the beginning that the man overpowered and assaulted her. Later on it adds the fact that he had INTERCOURSE with her. The fact that the words "rape" was added in brackets is stating nothing more than the obvious and what the interpretors and the early scholars all agree on. It makes no sense for you to disregard such important information.
Second of all, had he been punished because it was illegal sex, then he would have been FLOGGED not STONED. He would have been flogged with 100 stripes, not stoned to death.
ANYONE WITH AN OUNCE OF KNOWLEDGE OF SHARIA LAW WOULD KNOW THIS.
Had he been STONED to death because he MIGHT have been married, then the Hadith would definitely have indicated that. But since it doesn't, then it's safe to say that he was STONED to DEATH because he RAPED HER.
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Oh, what assumptions! IF he had been stoned because of the violence (rape) done to her instead of the act of sex shouldn't THAT have been included in the hadith? If Mohammad had been concerned about the issue of consent, shouldn't THAT have been included in the hadith?
And is a man EVER punished by lashing or stoning if he RAPES his wife or slave? IF the woman is permissable for him, there is NO issue of consent or non-concent, and NO crime against the man if he rapes a woman who is permissable.
What does the Quran say about a man who rapes his wife's slave? Is such a man to be lashed? Is such a man to be stoned?
END OF STORY  (Oh you're so CUTE when you're cross!) |
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Mersk
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Infamous,
I am not stopping you from taking up space here.
Carry on.
It's good for Muslim mothers out there to know of such an edict. You swear by it, you understand it, you want non-muslims to abide by it, no!!
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Mersk
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Mersk, stop making posts. No one understands what you say and you're just a waste of space.
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Might I ask this of the readers of FFI? Is Allah the only God that was and is allowed the lucrative sex slave trade.
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piscohot
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Mersk, stop making posts. No one understands what you say and you're just a waste of space.
And Brenda,
I have no desire to continue this conversation with someone as despicable as yourself; someone who actually believes that she can talk down to Muslims and expect a sincere response.
Now regarding rape, Islam forbids it. Read this:
Sunan Abu Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4366
Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:
When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.
She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.
She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).
When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.
He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.
He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.
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Oh gee.... another hadith that we kafirs overlooked.
Again, it obviously showed that Muhammad punished men who raped muslim women.
That's right folks!! If you rape muslim women, you are to be stoned to death.
Does this proof that Islam forbids rape?
Yes, IF the woman(victim) is a muslim.
What if the woman was a captive and a nonmuslim? Well..... 'sh*ts-for -brains' will tell you that raping (yes, RAPE. Unless muslims can put forward a logical explanation why the women would willingly have sex with the killers) her after killing her entire family was the only way to protect her.
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piscohot
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Brenda, let me set something straight.
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Don't ever even dare speak to me unless you speak with respect. |
For that to be possible, I would actually have to feel some sort of respect towards you. I rarely respect those who do not respect me, and your rabid defence of a doctrine of hate that sees me as something less than human rather precludes that. Do you see my problem?
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I like your reply, Brendalee.
Some people are just too dumb to understand that respect must be earned. Not demanded.
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piscohot
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| so they are really lower than beasts and our toenails are better than them all. |
from the way you put forward your arguments, I suspect you think using your toenails.
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Mersk
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| so they are really lower than beasts and our toenails are better than them all. |
from the way you put forward your arguments, I suspect you think using your toenails. |
Muslim women cannot help but respect their men and Islam until they are also similarly right hand possessed by kafirs. Their men will look towards the heavens and pray to Allah how to save their mommies and not break any of his laws. - How low can a Muslim women get?!!
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Haik Monsieur
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Now regarding rape, Islam forbids it. Read this:
Sunan Abu Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4366
Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:
When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.
She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.
She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).
When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.
He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.
He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.
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Very good narration. Now tell us who was the woman assaulted?
If the woman got assaulted ever happened to be a non-Muslima, nothing of these were going to happen my deluded Muhammadan. Ooops..! I am sorry you have dictated some mannerisms here to speak to you. So, I will rephrase:
You filthy pedophile worshipper Muhammadan, get lost and bum up to your pimping Allah.
Isn't this the right way to address you Muhammadan?
Can any Muslim show any incidence from their Sahih crappy sources that any Muslim getting stoned for raping kidnapping a non-Muslim woman? This is a challenge. Don't bark over Muhammad's compassion to his bunch of thugs. He was a true monster whenever it mattered anyone outside the sphere of his influence aka cult called Islam.
PS: I understand you are too fond of your pimping Allah who runs a glorious brothel in heavens..! So, let me add this more. Allah is the savage deity of savages...!
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