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Farid
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: Discussion: Farid with Infidel_01 regarding "true god&q |
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Salaam,
I have started this thread because Infidel_01 had a problem with my point of view, he thought it to be a invalid point of view for a debate. Therefore, I have started a discussion.
Infidel_01, in reply to PureIslam, asked the following question:
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So what will you do if we show you an error in quran?
Will you consider that it is not from true god, since true god can't err? |
This is very easy right? If the Quran has an error, then it is not from the "true god", since the "true god" can not err. But cant He? That is what I want infidel_01 to provide evidence for. Bear in mind that I ask this only because infidel_01 has made the claim.
I want this to be very simple:
How do you know "true god" does not err?
Thank you. |
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Agnostic Indian
Joined: 30 Jul 2008
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Farid,
let's treat the 'true god' as ablack box.
Now an interesting discussion would be that if this 'black box' errs, would you believe in this 'black box' ? |
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yeezevee
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Farid
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I want this to be very simple:
How do you know "true god" does not err?
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dear Farid., before we talk about god..true god or
true god" does err" .. OR.. true god " does not err""
we need to understand what actually you meant /understand the word "god' it self.. what is it dear Farid??
with best regards
yeezevee |
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Farid
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Salaam,
AgnosticIndian Wrote:
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| Now an interesting discussion would be that if this 'black box' errs, would you believe in this 'black box' ? |
Farid Wrote:
If this "black box" created this universe, then yes I will.
Yeezeeve Wrote:
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dear Farid., before we talk about god..true god or
true god" does err" .. OR.. true god " does not err""
we need to understand what actually you meant /understand the word "god' it self.. what is it dear Farid?? |
Farid Wrote:
Here is my point of view. Does "true god" err or not? My answer; I do not know, but Infidel_01 in a form of a question said that "true god" does not err. In this discussion, I am asking proof of what he is saying.
"true god" is infidel_01s words.
Thank you. |
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CanuckChristianBrigade
Joined: 17 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| Now an interesting discussion would be that if this 'black box' errs, would you believe in this 'black box' ? |
Farid Wrote:
If this "black box" created this universe, then yes I will.
1) Where the is the proof that Allah (As the black box is used in lieu of Allah) created the universe?
2) You would believe in the black box...even if it erred on the grounds that the black box created the universe? But then how could you be sure that it didn't err when it was creating the universe?
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Farid Wrote:
Here is my point of view. Does "true god" err or not? My answer; I do not know, but Infidel_01 in a form of a question said that "true god" does not err. In this discussion, I am asking proof of what he is saying.
"true god" is infidel_01s words.
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Stop playing footsie. Why are you splitting hairs as to whether a God is true or not? Of course you know if you did not know whether the true god erred or not on the grounds that you are not familiarized with the temperaments and characteristics of the true God, well...why the hell do you believe in Islam? The teachings of Islam must have been issued from a God...who could not have erred, yes? Because if he was found to be infallible, then the whole claim that Allah and his prophet Mo. were the apotheoses of moral probity is thrown into question. On the other side of the coin, if there is a true God, then logically he cannot err as if he erred, then how can the true God's teachings be true?
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Farid
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Salaam,
Canuck Wrote:
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| 1) Where the is the proof that Allah (As the black box is used in lieu of Allah) created the universe? |
Farid Wrote:
You are a bit late to this discussion. This was supposed to be between me and infidel_01. I have no problem with this, the only thing is that this is getting off topic. I never said that this "black box" created the universe. I just set the creation of the universe as a criteria for the justification of believing in the "black box" even if it lies.
Canuck Wrote:
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2) You would believe in the black box...even if it erred on the grounds that the black box created the universe? But then how could you be sure that it didn't err when it was creating the universe?
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Farid Wrote:
What difference would it make even if it did make an error. I am living in the universe, I can study the universe, I can explore the universe and so far, I have no problem with this universe.
Canuck Wrote:
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| if there is a true God, then logically he cannot err as if he erred, then how can the true God's teachings be true? |
Farid Wrote:
Ok, now we are getting on topic. Now if you could kindly bring your evidence please.
Thank you. |
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