Farid vs. Infidel_01 regarding God

Farid · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 193

Salam,

I wish this to be a debate between me and infidel_01 regarding his repeated question:

infidel_01 · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 1443

Hello Farid,

I wasn't aware of this post. Bro HM just let me know of this. Thanks to him. As you might have noticed that I am not active on FFI for couple of weeks due to work pressure at office. Anyway, I will be more than happy to be a part of this debate.

My question still stands. Can we start with you answering that simple question?

PS: I hope that your intension for this debate is not for winning/loosing thing but to find out the truth.
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WHY? None could answer

Farid · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 193

Salam,

Thank you for showing up. I did not expect you to see it that fast. I was going to message you probably. Anyways, it seems as though you know the details. So we can start.

Infidel_01 Wrote:

infidel_01 · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 1443

Farid,
Honestly, I didn't get your point. Please explain.

In my understanding god is supposed to be free from error and can't err. So a book which is claimed to be from god, like quran, can't have an error in it, else it is not direct word of god.

Now what do you think?
Can a book from god have error?
Will you consider such an erroneous book as a divine book?
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It is NOT IMMORAL for muslims to have non-muslims as slaves and sex slaves; But it is definitely IMMORAL for non-Muslims to own Muslim slaves -- Allah Diya, MTD & NAV;
WHY? None could answer

Farid · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 193

Salam,

Infidel_01 Wrote:

infidel_01 · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 1443

Farid · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 193

Salam,

Infidel_01, how is this evidence that the "true god" is perfect. Even if you believe in Quran, this is still no evidence. Are you saying that the Quran is from the "true god" and therefore it has the description of the "true god"? Then by your own admission, the Quran is from the "true god", but you believe it has errors. So therefore, by your admission, a divine book can be from the "true god" and still have errors.

You still have not provided any evidence that the "true god" is perfect. I will be waiting for it.

infidel_01 Wrote:

Thank you.

infidel_01 · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 1443

Farid · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 193

Salam,

Yes I am a Muslim.

It seems as though you are confused. Let me make it very simple. You say that Allah can not be a true God, since a true God can not err.

I want you to bring evidence that true God can not err. very simple.

Thank you.

infidel_01 · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 1443

Thanks farid for admitting that you are a muslim.

In response to my question

Farid · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 193

Salam,

Infidel_01, please do not change the topic. This thread is about your question that you posed. And now I ask you provide evidence that the true God can not err. Then once you give me that, we can judge by that criteria if Allah is the true God or not.

If you have no evidence, then your question should be retracted as it is baseless. That is my point and that is how your question is answered.

Infidel_01 Wrote:

infidel_01 · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 1443

Farid, you need some basic understanding. In a debate, we need to have two contesting claims. Since you are not having any claim, there is nothing to debate.

YOu said that "We do have different point of view", but in reality you don't have any point of view. When I say, " god can't err" either you agree with it or you don't. If you agree, no need to debate. But if you don't agree, means you say "god can err", then we have different point of views and then only we have a point to debate. I think, I made it very clear.

You don't know your allah, you don't know true god, you don't know whether it can err or not, you don't know it is perfect or not, but you want to debate about them. This is simply ridiculous.

Okay, let me make it simpler for you. Please tell me what do you understand by god? Or tell me about your allah, which may be easier for you. If you keep evading this basic thing, how can you debate about them?

As you admitted that you don't know about allah and / or god, please learn first and then come to debate.

I don't want to be harsh upon you, but you are lacking basic requirements to be in a debate. Please research more and learn about your allah and / or god.
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It is NOT IMMORAL for muslims to have non-muslims as slaves and sex slaves; But it is definitely IMMORAL for non-Muslims to own Muslim slaves -- Allah Diya, MTD & NAV;
WHY? None could answer

Farid · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 193

salaam,

Infidel_01, you seem to be evading the point of this thread. I have made it very simple for you, yet you have not answered it. You are talking off topic.

You are exactly correct when saying that I do not make any claims, but you do make claims and I am here to ask for that claims evidence.

You, infidel_01, have made a claim that God can not err. Do you have evidence for this?

The point of this thread is to show you that your question does not have any bases and therefore should not be even asked. That is the point of this thread. So please provide evidence that God can not err.

You ask me to learn about God, if you know of a way, then please let us know. Knowing about God is not something basic.

Thank you.

infidel_01 · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 1443

infidel_01 · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 1443

Here it is farid, I found it: