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infidel_01

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 1443

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:41 am Post subject:

Guess what farid, I found another post from that thread. Here it is for everyone to see:

infidel_01 wrote:

Farid wrote:

infidel_01 Wrote:

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One more time, Dear PureISlam, I am asking it:

What will you do if we show you an error in quran?
Will you consider that it is not from true god, since true god can't err?"

Farid Wrote:

If you receive a letter from "jim" whom you do not know. And then you see there is a bad word in there. is it logical to say " this is not from jim, the true jim would not swear". No, of course not. You do not know Jim, so how do you know that?

Same goes with your question.

Dear farid, Thanks for responding. To make it more clear, let me ask you simple questions:
Do you believe that allah is the true god? (IMO you would say YES)
Being the supreme power, all-knowing, can allah make a mistake? (IMO you would say NO)
Do you believe that quran is the word of allah and not of MO? (IMO you would say YES)
As per islam, quran is word of allah, hence can it have a single error in it? (IMO you would say NO)

Now my original question is:
If we show you an error in quran, will you consider that it is not from true-god, since god can't make a single mistake?

Peace

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56948&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75

And no wonder, after this post of mine, you just disappeared from that thread.

Care to answer them now here, in your own thread?

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infidel_01

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 1443

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:55 am Post subject:

Farid wrote:

Salam,

Yes I am a Muslim.

It seems as though you are confused. Let me make it very simple. You say that Allah can not be a true God, since a true God can not err.

I want you to bring evidence that true God can not err. very simple.

Thank you.

Just to save.
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It is NOT IMMORAL for muslims to have non-muslims as slaves and sex slaves; But it is definitely IMMORAL for non-Muslims to own Muslim slaves -- Allah Diya, MTD & NAV;
WHY? None could answer

Farid

Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Posts: 193

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:24 am Post subject:

Salaam,

Infidel_01 Wrote:

Quote:

Now read it and decide by yourself what was the context of my post and to whom I was referring to and to whom it is related to?

Farid Wrote:

I read it and I still see no justification for that question. You see, that question becomes important if we knew the "true god" and if we knew wether God made errors or not. You see, my point is not the part about the Quran or Allah, it is about this "true god" you are referring to. You made the claim that He can not err. Please provide evidence, else your question has been answered.

Infidel_01 Wrote:

Quote:

PS: By any chance, are you the PUREISLAM as well?
Yeah, I mean multinicking, that too in the same thread!!! Too bad

Farid Wrote:

No I am not.

Infidel_01 Wrote:

Quote:

When I asked you this question in another (a month or so ago), we were discussing in reference to allah and his islam and his quran, iirc.
So it all related to your so called all-powerful, all knowing allah. In that topic, we all were discussing based on islamic belief of allah, quran and islam itself. So when I asked you this question it was related to allah. If you really want to be logical, then first proivde the evidance that allah exists. Don't try to play word game. If you want to be logical, be perfectly logical and porve that allah exists, since allah was the centre point of that discussion and hence the context of my question was fully related to allah and quran.

Farid Wrote:

Dear infidel_01, please understand that we are not talking about Allah or Quran. We are talking about "true god" you are referring to as one who does not make errors. I keep repeating this, please provide evidence or your question is baseless and needs not to be asked. Secondly, if you understand, I have not asked you to prove to me that God does not exist nor have I asked you to prove that Muhammad(pbuh) is not His messenger. Do you wonder why? Because I have yet to see you make those claims, but right now you have made the claim in the form of a question that "true god" does not err. Therefore, I ask you to bring me proof for your claim. Please dont change the topic, this is the second person asking me this and is a big mistake because they do not get the point.

Infidel_01 Wrote:

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Have you answered my question that what do you understand by GOD or allah? No, you just evaded that. If you don't know anything or don't want to say anything about god/allah, how can you DEBATE about god?

Farid Wrote:

Why would I answer that irrelevant question in the first place? That is off-topic, please stay on topic.

Finally, you make a big fuss about this being a debate and my point of view in it. Therefore, I opened a new thread calling it a discussion, so we can get over this.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1138697#1138697

Thank you.

infidel_01

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 1443

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject:

Before I go any further, I must clarify the serious doubts I have about your credibility.. I asked you and you replied above:

Quote:

Infidel_01 Wrote:

Quote:

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PS: By any chance, are you the PUREISLAM as well?
Yeah, I mean multinicking, that too in the same thread!!! Too bad

Farid Wrote:

No I am not.

Since You made a claim here that you are not PureIslam. Please provide the evidence for it.

Moreover, you need to explain to us that how could you write in PureIslam's post here.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56948&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

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PureIslam

Joined: 22 Jul 2008
Posts: 82
Location: Utah
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:24 am Post subject:

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salam,

FreePower Wrote:

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Their accounts are valid by historical standards, usually historical accounts within one to two decades of the incident are extremely early. For example Alexander the Great was mentioned four centuries after he lived, and historians take that to be true. (And lets not forget that the Quran says Alexander the Great was a Muslim, when in reality he worshiped the Olympian gods)

Farid Wrote:

I have no problem, with the validity of the gospels. They are indeed a historical book. But I am more concerned with the reliability of the authors. Of course anyone can say that the accounts are true. But in reality, you cant tell because of the anonymous authors. Secondly, historians taking the story of Alexander to be true without any evidence is wrong. Because you can not just assume it is. You can be wrong in many ways.

Secondly, you have obviously confused Dhul Qurnain with Alexander. Dhul Qurnain means the two horned one. It would be very interesting to know how you came to that conclusion(Dhul Qurnain being alexander).

FreePower Wrote:

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Everything may ultimately be disproved, I can ask you about the Authenticity of the Quran, because the Islamic history has been given by Muslim historians and many people question whether that can actually be trusted.

Farid Wrote:

Ask anything you want. But now you are in my view, how can we trust the Muslim historians. That is why I keep asking who are the authors of the gospels. Because I do not know to trust them or not.

There were more than one companions or disciples that memorised the Quran, so I have no problem with its authencity. There may be a few verses missing. But the point is that the Quran we have today is the realy Quran revealed.

FreePower Wrote:

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The apostles wrote the four Gospels, and while there are some differences which is normal for different takes on the same historical account, they were far apart at the times the Gospels were written. If you wrote a book today I do not have to question your existence, and if you do some research you will notice that most historians don't question the authenticity of the writers of the gospels. Because the New Testament is not only a sum of the Gospels but of other documents and books that support the Gospels from the same time period.

Farid Wrote:

Why do you say they are apostles? They could have been anybody. Luke and Matthew are sometimes so similar, sometimes sentence for sentence. That biblical scholars have said that they probably had the same source for their story, so why would apostles need a source for their story.

Secondly, watch this video of stanford lecture about manuscript study of the gospels. It will show the many alterations done to the gospels. So not only do we not know the reliability of the authors, but there have been alterations done to it also.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=misquoting+jesus&sitesearch=#

No evidence that shows the reliability of the gospel writers have been presented, thus I can not take the gospels as a reliable source for quoting Jesus(pbuh).

Thank you.
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www.muslim-responses.com
www.islamic-answers.com
and many others. If you really want to know

We are waiting for your response dear farid (aka Pureislam??)

PS: And please don't try to evade the question asked to you in the thread:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45942&start=15
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Farid

Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Posts: 193

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject:

Salaam,

infidel_01 Wrote:

Quote:

Farid Wrote:

I thought somebody will pick up on that. The truth is, PureIslam is my cousin, we were working on the same computer, he had the remember me box checked, so I accidently posted it with his name. He has stopped posting for a while, that is why you dont see his name often anymore.

Thank you.

infidel_01

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 1443

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:19 am Post subject:

Farid wrote:

Salaam,

infidel_01 Wrote:

Quote:

Very poor excuse, but no EVIDENCE for your own CLAIM. Try again.

And don't forget to throw some light on this post from the same thread too.
Edit: I put throw ipo through above.

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PureIslam

Joined: 22 Jul 2008
Posts: 82
Location: Utah
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject:

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Salam,

Of course, authencity of any scripture can be debated, but the gospels authors are completely uknown, thus making its authencity uknown as well.

This is like finding a book on the ground and believing anything it says. Is that what you want to do?

Thank you.
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All the allegations of this site have been answered in
www.answering-faithfreedom.org
www.muslim-responses.com
www.islamic-answers.com
and many others. If you really want to know

Last edited by infidel_01 on Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:55 pm; edited 1 time in total

Farid

Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Posts: 193

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:15 am Post subject:

Salaam, I gave my excuse. Where is your evidence that I am lying? Thank you.

infidel_01

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 1443

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject:

Farid wrote:

Salaam,

I gave my excuse. Where is your evidence that I am lying?

Thank you.

Oh farid, are you that naive? I don't think so.
An excuse is not an evidence. Furthermore, I didn't accuse you of lying in this case. Don't cook up the stories please.

My evidence is your posts which I quoted above, which clearly show that you multinicked. See, you didn't even touch the other post, which I asked you to throw light on. You just avoided that. Too bad.

You merely made another claim that you and pureislam are cousins, where is the evidence for that, dear farid.

And you wrote that "I thought somebody will pick up on that". If I go by that, even then, it implies that you knew that you have written in pureislam's login, but deceitfully you never notified about it. Which makes you DISHONEST person.

But, I am sure that you never knew about it, till I pointed it out here. When I caught you red handed, you could only come up with a lame excuse that you and pureislam are cousins. Please provide the EVIDENCE for you CLAIM.
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WHY? None could answer

Farid

Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Posts: 193

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject:

Salaam,

My evidence for my claim may be too much for you. How so? Well, I will give you my address here in Utah and you could come and see it.

Infidel_01 Wrote:

Quote:

it implies that you knew that you have written in pureislam's login, but deceitfully you never notified about it. Which makes you DISHONEST person.

Farid Wrote:

Say you find a new ice cream place and you dont tell anybody. Does that make you a DISHONEST person? No, of course not. If somebody asked you if found a new ice cream place and you denied it, then that makes you a dishonest person. I did not multi-nick first of all and secondly, I did not regard it as a big thing to accidently post in my cousins name. How does that make me dishonest?

Thank you.

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