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chingachgook



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luke5674 wrote:
Well in a recent study in Scotland that looked at the background of ex-Muslims it was found that the majority where unorthodox Muslims to begin with. They were from the shia minority.


In other words, you are saying they were never muslims in the first place? That what you believe? Which sect do you belong to? Well you can continue to hide your head in the sand and pretend nothing's happening to your Islam if that's what comfort you.

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Besides in my personal observation in talking to ex-Muslims I have noticed a huge lack of knowledge in the Islamic Sciences. Many Muslims like Ali Sina, Ayan Hirsa, Dr. Wafa etc leave Islam to gain fame and fortune. I'm not trying to slander them but thats my honest assessment of them. I mean it's a sure way to become famous in the west if you just apostate from Islam and write a book about it.


Wrong! 2 things can happen to muslims if they know about Islam inside out :

    1. Their hatred for anybody or anything unIslamic becomes vile. They become more and more intolerant, disrespectful and their hatred for The West (and Jews) intensifies. They become extremists/terrorists. Just listen to their Friday sermon!

    2. They leave Islam.


Apostates of Islam migrate to the west because they fear for their lives in their country of birth. To them it is leaving Islam and hiding first, writing a book comes much later.

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If a person converts to Islam he or she is not talked about


Actually the exact opposite happens. Leavers of Islam try hard to hide their apostasy but new converts are celebrated.

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I admire Ali Sina putting so much effort into this website. However he is not a scholar of Islam, which only shows he left Islam because of a difficiency in Islamic knowledge not because Islam is wrong. How do I know? Well about a year or so ago, Ali Sina said on this website that the 2 sources for Islam are: 1) The Quran and 2) the scholars.


In a way Ali is right. For the vast majority of muslims their knowledge comes from Mullahs and scholars who in turn got their stuff from the Al-hah-hah-hah-dith and the KKKoran. Reminds me of moHAMmad (piss be upon him) and the 'angel' in the cave. 99% of all muslims do not know how to read the KKKoran, how's that for the last and true religion from the one true All-ah-hah-hah-hah? They are all parrots!


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May Allah Almighty guide us all before its too late.


All-ah-hah-hah-hah only guides whomsoever he pleases remember?

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You don't know when the angel of death will take your soul from your body. Allah is willing to love and forgive us all. Just repent before death. Go to a graveyard and ponder about your own death. Remember your Lord Allah and He will remember you. True success is only found by being close in relationship with the Merciful Allah. I praise Him, my Savior.


Don't be too complacent! Alla-hah-hah-hah may one day decide to misguide you before that angel of death take your life! Everything depends on the will of Alla-hah-hah-hah remember?

Luke5674, just don't be too obsessed about other people's Islam. Faith is a personal matter. That Islam is the fastest growing religion doesn't mean that it is THE truth. Islam does not need protection if it were self-protected by Allah-hah-hah-hah. If one's faith is strong nothing can remove it. If one's faith is weak nothing can be done to that person to increase his faith, even by killing him. It is all in the head, in the mind. Allah should have known about this and not order apostates to be killed! What a stinking religion!!!!!
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IntellectualWarfare12



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

luke5764 wrote:
You asked for evidence about apostates.

Well in a recent study in Scotland that looked at the background of ex-Muslims it was found that the majority where unorthodox Muslims to begin with. They were from the shia minority.

Besides in my personal observation in talking to ex-Muslims I have noticed a huge lack of knowledge in the Islamic Sciences. Many Muslims like Ali Sina, Ayan Hirsa, Dr. Wafa etc leave Islam to gain fame and fortune. I'm not trying to slander them but thats my honest assessment of them. I mean it's a sure way to become famous in the west if you just apostate from Islam and write a book about it. If a person converts to Islam he or she is not talked about.

I admire Ali Sina putting so much effort into this website. However he is not a scholar of Islam, which only shows he left Islam because of a difficiency in Islamic knowledge not because Islam is wrong. How do I know? Well about a year or so ago, Ali Sina said on this website that the 2 sources for Islam are: 1) The Quran and 2) the scholars.

The problem is even a child knows that Islam is based on 1) The Qur'an and 2) The sayings of Muhammad (hadiths) not the sayings of scholars! They are not the same at all! When I pointed out this error of his, he had it removed from his site immediately. If Ali Sina could make an error at this very basic fundamental level of Islamic knowledge, it is no wonder why he like all the ex-muslims ended up being lost.

May Allah Almighty guide us all before its too late. You don't know when the angel of death will take your soul from your body. Allah is willing to love and forgive us all. Just repent before death. Go to a graveyard and ponder about your own death. Remember your Lord Allah and He will remember you. True success is only found by being close in relationship with the Merciful Allah. I praise Him, my Savior.

Sorry for being a bit harsh, it just makes me wonder how people can make such foolish mistakes in life.

By the way, I made a good video on YouTube called "apostasy", a must see!

Luke5764 (aka youtuber: "Converted2Islam")


You are Converted2Islam????? Are you serious? BRO, I admired you greatly, I watch your videos all the time! Dear bro, how are you? Welcome to this site bro
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MsWesterner



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luke.....you say "even a child knows that islam is based on the koran" - never forget that a child is born without religious belief, and what he/she then think is based on what is TAUGHT to them

sadly, a child doesnt have the capacity to actually understand the koran - and neither do most adult muslims, as if they could, or did, they would see the most nonsense "errors", and errors which provably match mistaken beliefs of that era. Divine lol???

also.......children dont hate other children EXCEPT when it is "indoctrinated" into them.

Who would ever forget the sight of a 3 year old muslim girl being praised for her answer about jews........it was sad, to say the least, sad that such irresponsible muslim parents would teach such hatred and nonsense to an innocent child.

so dont tell me a child understands this koran when adults dont.....and even your scholars differ lol - the division amongst muslims in every way shows just how fragile islam is, and little wonder that your leaders are so adamnant that you cant question !!!

and muslim parents whom cut their children to draw blood should be charged with child abuse......just as the muslim parents whom circumcise their children should be, i.e. to both males and females - and the imams whom preach that it is their religious responsibility to mutilate their children for life should be "hung, dried and quartered".

sadly.....millions of innocent muslim children suffer BECAUSE of islam, and sadly, these poor little people never ever get the choice but to be muslim either.
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