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Samir
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| You have to attend an university of Islamic theology and not Madrassa . |
Apparently not always: Ayatollah Khomeini did not:
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/rkhomeini/ayatollah_khomeini.php
I am not sure what benefit such a course brings: I have never met any Muslim whose theological education is even remotely comparable with even a humble catholic priest. Here is a quote from the eminent Shiah "theologian" Ayatollah Khomeini:
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Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements:
"A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."
Khomeini, "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 |
Now, would you describe yourself as a Muslim theologian? |
If you never met Muslims theologian it does not mewan that they do not exist . what benefict course of physics will bring to me I can just say Albert book is full of error and you ge to to believe me . Will you accept this ?????? . As for Khomeni he is not Islam he had his interpretation which is not accepted by main stream Islam. |
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manfred
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| If you never met Muslims theologian it does not mewan that they do not exist . what benefict course of physics will bring to me I can just say Albert book is full of error and you ge to to believe me . Will you accept this ?????? . As for Khomeni he is not Islam he had his interpretation which is not accepted by main stream Islam. |
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True... However I have met many who CLAIM to be Muslims theologians. Some even teach at University (as I did when I was younger)
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| what benefict course of physics will bring to me I can just say Albert book is full of error and you ge to to believe me . |
I hope you don't mind me saying that your English is a bit strange, and I am not sure I understood you... I do NOT say: "The Quran is full of errors and you have to believe me." MOST EMPHATICALLY NOT!!! Don't simply believe me, please, but believe your own common sense that God gave you to distinguish true from false.
I DO say this: Try to look at the Quran objectively. Study it like Christians or Jews study the bible. No "No Go areas". I am trying to help you, not upset you. I am asking you things to make you think, not to catch you out. If this is NOT something you can cope with, fine, I really don't mind. YES, I DO believe that there are many errors of different kinds in the Quran. I made a rather long list of just some of them in the other post for you. But it really does not matter at all what I believe; what matters is what do YOU believe and WHY?
I CERTAINLY do NOT want to interfer with your convictions. I just want to help you to explore them. If you, in this process you OBJECTIVELY find you were right all along, good for you, and it was all worth your while. If you discover you were wrong, also good, then you can correct it. So get of your defensive horse, please.
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote : Oh really??? Then where was MY lie??
what the fucck is this ???
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| Then, you tell me about illifat (which I already knew about) to explain to me why it is NOT |
you knew it  . Supid liar . not even Arab do not know this unless they are expert in Arabic language and studied balagha. How can an ignorant of Arabic knows it . |
I DID already know about Illtifat. Menj, the guy who owns the Bismika Allahuma forum told me about it two years ago while we were debating. So after he mentioned it, I went to check out his claim and researched it. This is evident by the fact that I gave you the precisely correct meaning for it, obviously to your surprise, while you were arrogantly chuckling and assuming that I could never be aware of it. And by the way, I think it's a stupid idea to switch from first person to third person for no reason at all except to hold the reader's attention, but that's just my personal opinion.
So once again, I'm afraid YOU are the liar. Why are you so foolish? It can't be a genetic thing, so it must be an Islamic thing.
And, it also means that we get right back to the issue of how your answer fell apart, which is why you had to resort to name calling and accusations of lies. Nobody buys into these diversions. Maybe some ignorant people in some sort of Islamic village that you met might be stupid enough to buy into diversions like this, and maybe that''s why you think you can use it here. But nobody here is going to buy it, so don't even bother attempting it. We all recognize it. Normal, stupid little Muslim tricks and diversions simply don't work here, so go back to the guy who taught you this and told you it would work, and ask for your money back. |
I told you go and lie and some dumb American. The fact of the matter you wrote iltifat withouit T is proof that you do not know the word . |
No, that was a simple spelling error. I told you exactly what it means, and I told you who told me and I told you when I was told this (2 years ago) and I told you the forum, and the meaning I gave was perfectly correct. Just because you are a Muslim, and therefore are completely incapable of acknowledging that you are wrong about something, doesn't mean we are supposed to have patience with your stubbornness that causes your ridiculous diversion attempts.
And we all know that you will not let go of your lie accusation against me because you can't answer what I actually said and the REAL points being discussed. That's the REAL reason. Therefore, you divert and make lying the issue, when you didn't even answer the true point I brought up and acknowledge that you clearly did a logical circle. Maybe your friends are childish to not see your diversions, but we are not. It simply doesn't work, so why bother?
Now, that said, let's remind everybody of the issue that you hoped to divert from with your accusation of a lie
I say the Bible is written in third person narrative rather than first person form like the Quran. The Bible is known to have an author relating what happened between God and man. The Bible has to quote God because it is not in first person form. The Quran, however, IS in first person form. You say that the Quran is like the Bible because there are third person sections in the Quran as well. So then I say if those sections are in third person, then yes, it would be like the Bible and Muhammad would become the author. Then you bring up illtifat and you brought it up to prevent Muhammad as being seen as the author of those third person sections you quoted. That's fine. But illtifat isn't truly third person, it's a stupid little poetic trick to keep the listener's attention and therefore is actually, really talking in first person. The Bible practices no illtifat. Therefore the examples you gave of the Bible and the Quran being in third person do not actually match up. One is indeed in third person, and the other is merely pretending to be so through illtifat.
This is the terrible error you made that you don't want anybody to see, so hence, you switch the entire issue to the word illtifat. It's a shame that people here aren't as stupid as apparently you are accustomed to people being, or else you wouldn't even attempt these stupid little diversions.
But here's the real question. How does it make you feel to have to resort to the things you resort to? It would make me feel a little ashamed. But you are a Muslim and therefore, you have no shame. The truth doesn't matter. All that matters is that the Muslim is seen as right and Islam is seen as right, even if you have to divert, cheat, be less than honest.,.....Muslims don't care. It's almost like they say to themselves "yeah, I know this isn't exactly correct, but I need to say this to win the conversation, and then afterwards, I'll sort out what is REALLY true". Hey. lie, cheat, divert, accuse, .....it doesn't matter as long as Islam is seen as correct. I'm sure Allah forgives you for any deception you attempt as long as it's in the cause of Allah.
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truthseeker2
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Te he he he he he, Oh my samir you really make me laugh, you are such a joker. Lets see what did you say ( did you ask yur mentor Ali Sina about this name calling in debates )
May I say now that Ali Sina is not my mentor in any way shape or form, I have even to the best of my knowledge, never had any dealings with him & I am sure that if Ali is reading this. He will confirm that fact, just because a group of people agree on a subject, does not mean that they are all together in there condemnation of it.
We have all read the quran on these forums & so we all know the errors within its pages. We also know the amount to which all muslims have been brainwashed. Including you my dear samir, but as Manfred has said these things are taking us all off subject & the subject at hand is "Is the bible corrupt".
The truth of this fact is a resounding NO, it is not & the quran confirms that fact as you well know. But that is only if you are the muslim theologian that you are claiming you are. Though I have my doubts about that one, as you change the meanings of lots of points within the quran to suit you response at times.
You state about having to have had to attend an university of Islamic theology . Now that baffles me somewhat as we all know the position of women within islam & the fact that in true islamic countries, women are not allowed to be able to read or write or even to be able to drive a car. Now on a lot of these threads it has been commented that you are in fact a woman. So if that is in fact the truth & you are a woman, how can you have been able to attend this islamic theology university, as in a true islamic society you would not be allowed to go there or even be able to read even. As Manfred has said to you we trying to help you, not upset you. We are asking you things to make you think, not to catch you out.
We CERTAINLY do NOT want to interfere with your convictions. We just want to help you explore them & so to find them & so find the truth. We are trying to help you to open your eyes to the truth, to facts, we have given you all 100% proof, evidence, facts. This is what we are doing, we are in fact trying to help you & although the operation to help you open your eyes, is a very hard one. We are non the less going ahead with it for your benefit, so stop getting on your high horse & in doing this, stop swearing, insulting & calling those who are trying to help you. We have courtesy for you, please have the decency to treat us as we treat you, with some kind of respect.
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Samir
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote : Oh really??? Then where was MY lie??
what the fucck is this ???
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| Then, you tell me about illifat (which I already knew about) to explain to me why it is NOT |
you knew it . Supid liar . not even Arab do not know this unless they are expert in Arabic language and studied balagha. How can an ignorant of Arabic knows it . |
I DID already know about Illtifat. Menj, the guy who owns the Bismika Allahuma forum told me about it two years ago while we were debating. So after he mentioned it, I went to check out his claim and researched it. This is evident by the fact that I gave you the precisely correct meaning for it, obviously to your surprise, while you were arrogantly chuckling and assuming that I could never be aware of it. And by the way, I think it's a stupid idea to switch from first person to third person for no reason at all except to hold the reader's attention, but that's just my personal opinion.
So once again, I'm afraid YOU are the liar. Why are you so foolish? It can't be a genetic thing, so it must be an Islamic thing.
And, it also means that we get right back to the issue of how your answer fell apart, which is why you had to resort to name calling and accusations of lies. Nobody buys into these diversions. Maybe some ignorant people in some sort of Islamic village that you met might be stupid enough to buy into diversions like this, and maybe that''s why you think you can use it here. But nobody here is going to buy it, so don't even bother attempting it. We all recognize it. Normal, stupid little Muslim tricks and diversions simply don't work here, so go back to the guy who taught you this and told you it would work, and ask for your money back. |
I told you go and lie and some dumb American. The fact of the matter you wrote iltifat withouit T is proof that you do not know the word . |
No, that was a simple spelling error. I told you exactly what it means, and I told you who told me and I told you when I was told this (2 years ago) and I told you the forum, and the meaning I gave was perfectly correct. Just because you are a Muslim, and therefore are completely incapable of acknowledging that you are wrong about something, doesn't mean we are supposed to have patience with your stubbornness that causes your ridiculous diversion attempts.
And we all know that you will not let go of your lie accusation against me because you can't answer what I actually said and the REAL points being discussed. That's the REAL reason. Therefore, you divert and make lying the issue, when you didn't even answer the true point I brought up and acknowledge that you clearly did a logical circle. Maybe your friends are childish to not see your diversions, but we are not. It simply doesn't work, so why bother?
Now, that said, let's remind everybody of the issue that you hoped to divert from with your accusation of a lie
I say the Bible is written in third person narrative rather than first person form like the Quran. The Bible is known to have an author relating what happened between God and man. The Bible has to quote God because it is not in first person form. The Quran, however, IS in first person form. You say that the Quran is like the Bible because there are third person sections in the Quran as well. So then I say if those sections are in third person, then yes, it would be like the Bible and Muhammad would become the author. Then you bring up illtifat and you brought it up to prevent Muhammad as being seen as the author of those third person sections you quoted. That's fine. But illtifat isn't truly third person, it's a stupid little poetic trick to keep the listener's attention and therefore is actually, really talking in first person. The Bible practices no illtifat. Therefore the examples you gave of the Bible and the Quran being in third person do not actually match up. One is indeed in third person, and the other is merely pretending to be so through illtifat.
This is the terrible error you made that you don't want anybody to see, so hence, you switch the entire issue to the word illtifat. It's a shame that people here aren't as stupid as apparently you are accustomed to people being, or else you wouldn't even attempt these stupid little diversions.
But here's the real question. How does it make you feel to have to resort to the things you resort to? It would make me feel a little ashamed. But you are a Muslim and therefore, you have no shame. The truth doesn't matter. All that matters is that the Muslim is seen as right and Islam is seen as right, even if you have to divert, cheat, be less than honest.,.....Muslims don't care. It's almost like they say to themselves "yeah, I know this isn't exactly correct, but I need to say this to win the conversation, and then afterwards, I'll sort out what is REALLY true". Hey. lie, cheat, divert, accuse, .....it doesn't matter as long as Islam is seen as correct. I'm sure Allah forgives you for any deception you attempt as long as it's in the cause of Allah. |
there is no way that you can prove to me that you knew that 2 year ago . If you can then I am waiting for this proof . I will not believe it especially you wrote iltifat wrong and still do so even after I point your error this time you wrote it with 2 L . True you gave me the defintion , but this after I sent you the link where anybody could copy it from the link . |
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Samir
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| "truthseeker2" wrote : Now on a lot of these threads it has been commented that you are in fact a woman. |
stupid liar . Is this how you are trying to fool Muslims , by using lies . I never said that I am woman , dummy |
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Samir
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| If you never met Muslims theologian it does not mewan that they do not exist . what benefict course of physics will bring to me I can just say Albert book is full of error and you ge to to believe me . Will you accept this ?????? . As for Khomeni he is not Islam he had his interpretation which is not accepted by main stream Islam. |
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True... However I have met many who CLAIM to be Muslims theologians. Some even teach at University (as I did when I was younger)
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| what benefict course of physics will bring to me I can just say Albert book is full of error and you ge to to believe me . |
I hope you don't mind me saying that your English is a bit strange, and I am not sure I understood you... I do NOT say: "The Quran is full of errors and you have to believe me." MOST EMPHATICALLY NOT!!! Don't simply believe me, please, but believe your own common sense that God gave you to distinguish true from false.
I DO say this: Try to look at the Quran objectively. Study it like Christians or Jews study the bible. No "No Go areas". I am trying to help you, not upset you. I am asking you things to make you think, not to catch you out. If this is NOT something you can cope with, fine, I really don't mind. YES, I DO believe that there are many errors of different kinds in the Quran. I made a rather long list of just some of them in the other post for you. But it really does not matter at all what I believe; what matters is what do YOU believe and WHY?
I CERTAINLY do NOT want to interfer with your convictions. I just want to help you to explore them. If you, in this process you OBJECTIVELY find you were right all along, good for you, and it was all worth your while. If you discover you were wrong, also good, then you can correct it. So get of your defensive horse, please.
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I have already explained the verse concerning bees eating fruits . You thought that koran was wrong , but you guys were wrong as you may notice when you read my explanation so the same thing about all so called error in koran. You have to ask yourself and not the book there is something with you and not with the book |
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manfred
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| I have already explained the verse concerning bees eating fruits . You thought that koran was wrong , but you guys were wrong as you may notice when you read my explanation so the same thing about all so called error in koran. You have to ask yourself and not the book there is something with you and not with the book |
Sorry, you did not [yet] explain that at all. You suggested that bees eat the fruits of the earth...
Now, WHAT do bees EAT?? |
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Samir
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| I have already explained the verse concerning bees eating fruits . You thought that koran was wrong , but you guys were wrong as you may notice when you read my explanation so the same thing about all so called error in koran. You have to ask yourself and not the book there is something with you and not with the book |
Sorry, you did not [yet] explain that at all. You suggested that bees eat the fruits of the earth...
Now, WHAT do bees EAT?? |
I said bees eat Tamarat meaning things that are produced by nature and necatar which bees eats is one the things which is produced by nature . |
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Haik Monsieur
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| I said bees eat Tamarat meaning things that are produced by nature and necatar which bees eats is one the things which is produced by nature . |
But Samir, Tamarat doesn't mean things that are produced by nature. Does it?
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kereng
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It is one of the things, but the koran says "eat all ...". |
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truthseeker2
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Samir can you please show where I have said that you are a woman. I have never said you are a woman, what I did say & it is very obvious is this: Now on a lot of these threads it has been commented that you are in fact a woman.
What that is clear in stating, is that it has been stated on a lot of threads all over this forum that you are in fact a woman. Now I did not say that. As I said it has been stated & comments made that you are a woman. These comments have been made by others, not me & I did not make them.
BUT what I did say was that if you where in fact a woman. The rest anyone can read in the post, so it is you again who is the liar samir, you are calling me a liar when I have not lied at all & that is very clear to anyone who reads the post. You have intentionally misinterpreted what I have said & tried to twist its meaning, so this shows it is you who is the liar. But it is a usual muslim trick that we are all aware of & know about so it means nothing. It is just another one of those many tricks that muslims try to pull that show you all up just for what you all are, con artists & liars & not to be trusted.
One thing though, you did not mention this part of my post to you & other muslims, But that is obvious as well, as having to read it must hurt as again it shows you all up by the way you all act, try reading it again & abiding by it. Also to add to it, try being straight as we are with you, we do not twist things, words, statements. We give them as they are spoken & stated, we do not twist them at all, we are open & straight with you so as I said before have the courtesy to be so with us & just for you again here is what was posted the last time. Seeing that you chose to ignore it: stop swearing, insulting & calling those who are trying to help you. We have courtesy for you, please have the decency to treat us as we treat you, with some kind of respect.
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote : Oh really??? Then where was MY lie??
what the fucck is this ???
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| Then, you tell me about illifat (which I already knew about) to explain to me why it is NOT |
you knew it . Supid liar . not even Arab do not know this unless they are expert in Arabic language and studied balagha. How can an ignorant of Arabic knows it . |
I DID already know about Illtifat. Menj, the guy who owns the Bismika Allahuma forum told me about it two years ago while we were debating. So after he mentioned it, I went to check out his claim and researched it. This is evident by the fact that I gave you the precisely correct meaning for it, obviously to your surprise, while you were arrogantly chuckling and assuming that I could never be aware of it. And by the way, I think it's a stupid idea to switch from first person to third person for no reason at all except to hold the reader's attention, but that's just my personal opinion.
So once again, I'm afraid YOU are the liar. Why are you so foolish? It can't be a genetic thing, so it must be an Islamic thing.
And, it also means that we get right back to the issue of how your answer fell apart, which is why you had to resort to name calling and accusations of lies. Nobody buys into these diversions. Maybe some ignorant people in some sort of Islamic village that you met might be stupid enough to buy into diversions like this, and maybe that''s why you think you can use it here. But nobody here is going to buy it, so don't even bother attempting it. We all recognize it. Normal, stupid little Muslim tricks and diversions simply don't work here, so go back to the guy who taught you this and told you it would work, and ask for your money back. |
I told you go and lie and some dumb American. The fact of the matter you wrote iltifat withouit T is proof that you do not know the word . |
No, that was a simple spelling error. I told you exactly what it means, and I told you who told me and I told you when I was told this (2 years ago) and I told you the forum, and the meaning I gave was perfectly correct. Just because you are a Muslim, and therefore are completely incapable of acknowledging that you are wrong about something, doesn't mean we are supposed to have patience with your stubbornness that causes your ridiculous diversion attempts.
And we all know that you will not let go of your lie accusation against me because you can't answer what I actually said and the REAL points being discussed. That's the REAL reason. Therefore, you divert and make lying the issue, when you didn't even answer the true point I brought up and acknowledge that you clearly did a logical circle. Maybe your friends are childish to not see your diversions, but we are not. It simply doesn't work, so why bother?
Now, that said, let's remind everybody of the issue that you hoped to divert from with your accusation of a lie
I say the Bible is written in third person narrative rather than first person form like the Quran. The Bible is known to have an author relating what happened between God and man. The Bible has to quote God because it is not in first person form. The Quran, however, IS in first person form. You say that the Quran is like the Bible because there are third person sections in the Quran as well. So then I say if those sections are in third person, then yes, it would be like the Bible and Muhammad would become the author. Then you bring up illtifat and you brought it up to prevent Muhammad as being seen as the author of those third person sections you quoted. That's fine. But illtifat isn't truly third person, it's a stupid little poetic trick to keep the listener's attention and therefore is actually, really talking in first person. The Bible practices no illtifat. Therefore the examples you gave of the Bible and the Quran being in third person do not actually match up. One is indeed in third person, and the other is merely pretending to be so through illtifat.
This is the terrible error you made that you don't want anybody to see, so hence, you switch the entire issue to the word illtifat. It's a shame that people here aren't as stupid as apparently you are accustomed to people being, or else you wouldn't even attempt these stupid little diversions.
But here's the real question. How does it make you feel to have to resort to the things you resort to? It would make me feel a little ashamed. But you are a Muslim and therefore, you have no shame. The truth doesn't matter. All that matters is that the Muslim is seen as right and Islam is seen as right, even if you have to divert, cheat, be less than honest.,.....Muslims don't care. It's almost like they say to themselves "yeah, I know this isn't exactly correct, but I need to say this to win the conversation, and then afterwards, I'll sort out what is REALLY true". Hey. lie, cheat, divert, accuse, .....it doesn't matter as long as Islam is seen as correct. I'm sure Allah forgives you for any deception you attempt as long as it's in the cause of Allah. |
there is no way that you can prove to me that you knew that 2 year ago . If you can then I am waiting for this proof . I will not believe it especially you wrote iltifat wrong and still do so even after I point your error this time you wrote it with 2 L . True you gave me the defintion , but this after I sent you the link where anybody could copy it from the link . |
That was very foolish of you. Here's the link
http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org/index.php/topic,8990.0.html
I am the user Sunshine on this forum, and menj is the owner of the forum. Read every post on that page, except for the last one, where some typically incoherent Muslim posted a completely unrelated diatribe. Menj told me about it and I looked it up and gained the correct understanding of it. Harvey confirmed the understanding and then raised a very good question as to why Allah would need to use iltifat and suggested that it points to an author besides Allah. I still think it's a load and an excuse for Muhammad probably getting whipped up into a frenzy and forgetting he's not supposed to be speaking these parts, Allah is. The only thing I was incorrect about, is that apparently it was only a year ago. For some reason, I thought it was longer ago. Oh well.
Tssssst, sizzle sizzle. You shouldn't a oughtta' done that. You ask for proof, you got it. But we all know that you are a Muslim, and therefore not capable of even accepting proof if it doesn't say what you want. We all know this. We're used to it. You're not the first, stereotypically brick headed Muslim that's come on here. In fact, I'd say 50% or more are like you. That's the disturbing part
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Samir
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Samir can you please show where I have said that you are a woman. I have never said you are a woman, what I did say & it is very obvious is this: Now on a lot of these threads it has been commented that you are in fact a woman.
What that is clear in stating, is that it has been stated on a lot of threads all over this forum that you are in fact a woman. Now I did not say that. As I said it has been stated & comments made that you are a woman. These comments have been made by others, not me & I did not make them.
BUT what I did say was that if you where in fact a woman. The rest anyone can read in the post, so it is you again who is the liar samir, you are calling me a liar when I have not lied at all & that is very clear to anyone who reads the post. You have intentionally misinterpreted what I have said & tried to twist its meaning, so this shows it is you who is the liar. But it is a usual muslim trick that we are all aware of & know about so it means nothing. It is just another one of those many tricks that muslims try to pull that show you all up just for what you all are, con artists & liars & not to be trusted.
One thing though, you did not mention this part of my post to you & other muslims, But that is obvious as well, as having to read it must hurt as again it shows you all up by the way you all act, try reading it again & abiding by it. Also to add to it, try being straight as we are with you, we do not twist things, words, statements. We give them as they are spoken & stated, we do not twist them at all, we are open & straight with you so as I said before have the courtesy to be so with us & just for you again here is what was posted the last time. Seeing that you chose to ignore it: stop swearing, insulting & calling those who are trying to help you. We have courtesy for you, please have the decency to treat us as we treat you, with some kind of respect. |
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Samir
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote: |
| Samir wrote: |
| Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote: |
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| Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote: |
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit wrote : Oh really??? Then where was MY lie??
what the fucck is this ???
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| Then, you tell me about illifat (which I already knew about) to explain to me why it is NOT |
you knew it . Supid liar . not even Arab do not know this unless they are expert in Arabic language and studied balagha. How can an ignorant of Arabic knows it . |
I DID already know about Illtifat. Menj, the guy who owns the Bismika Allahuma forum told me about it two years ago while we were debating. So after he mentioned it, I went to check out his claim and researched it. This is evident by the fact that I gave you the precisely correct meaning for it, obviously to your surprise, while you were arrogantly chuckling and assuming that I could never be aware of it. And by the way, I think it's a stupid idea to switch from first person to third person for no reason at all except to hold the reader's attention, but that's just my personal opinion.
So once again, I'm afraid YOU are the liar. Why are you so foolish? It can't be a genetic thing, so it must be an Islamic thing.
And, it also means that we get right back to the issue of how your answer fell apart, which is why you had to resort to name calling and accusations of lies. Nobody buys into these diversions. Maybe some ignorant people in some sort of Islamic village that you met might be stupid enough to buy into diversions like this, and maybe that''s why you think you can use it here. But nobody here is going to buy it, so don't even bother attempting it. We all recognize it. Normal, stupid little Muslim tricks and diversions simply don't work here, so go back to the guy who taught you this and told you it would work, and ask for your money back. |
I told you go and lie and some dumb American. The fact of the matter you wrote iltifat withouit T is proof that you do not know the word . |
No, that was a simple spelling error. I told you exactly what it means, and I told you who told me and I told you when I was told this (2 years ago) and I told you the forum, and the meaning I gave was perfectly correct. Just because you are a Muslim, and therefore are completely incapable of acknowledging that you are wrong about something, doesn't mean we are supposed to have patience with your stubbornness that causes your ridiculous diversion attempts.
And we all know that you will not let go of your lie accusation against me because you can't answer what I actually said and the REAL points being discussed. That's the REAL reason. Therefore, you divert and make lying the issue, when you didn't even answer the true point I brought up and acknowledge that you clearly did a logical circle. Maybe your friends are childish to not see your diversions, but we are not. It simply doesn't work, so why bother?
Now, that said, let's remind everybody of the issue that you hoped to divert from with your accusation of a lie
I say the Bible is written in third person narrative rather than first person form like the Quran. The Bible is known to have an author relating what happened between God and man. The Bible has to quote God because it is not in first person form. The Quran, however, IS in first person form. You say that the Quran is like the Bible because there are third person sections in the Quran as well. So then I say if those sections are in third person, then yes, it would be like the Bible and Muhammad would become the author. Then you bring up illtifat and you brought it up to prevent Muhammad as being seen as the author of those third person sections you quoted. That's fine. But illtifat isn't truly third person, it's a stupid little poetic trick to keep the listener's attention and therefore is actually, really talking in first person. The Bible practices no illtifat. Therefore the examples you gave of the Bible and the Quran being in third person do not actually match up. One is indeed in third person, and the other is merely pretending to be so through illtifat.
This is the terrible error you made that you don't want anybody to see, so hence, you switch the entire issue to the word illtifat. It's a shame that people here aren't as stupid as apparently you are accustomed to people being, or else you wouldn't even attempt these stupid little diversions.
But here's the real question. How does it make you feel to have to resort to the things you resort to? It would make me feel a little ashamed. But you are a Muslim and therefore, you have no shame. The truth doesn't matter. All that matters is that the Muslim is seen as right and Islam is seen as right, even if you have to divert, cheat, be less than honest.,.....Muslims don't care. It's almost like they say to themselves "yeah, I know this isn't exactly correct, but I need to say this to win the conversation, and then afterwards, I'll sort out what is REALLY true". Hey. lie, cheat, divert, accuse, .....it doesn't matter as long as Islam is seen as correct. I'm sure Allah forgives you for any deception you attempt as long as it's in the cause of Allah. |
there is no way that you can prove to me that you knew that 2 year ago . If you can then I am waiting for this proof . I will not believe it especially you wrote iltifat wrong and still do so even after I point your error this time you wrote it with 2 L . True you gave me the defintion , but this after I sent you the link where anybody could copy it from the link . |
That was very foolish of you. Here's the link
http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org/index.php/topic,8990.0.html
I am the user Sunshine on this forum, and menj is the owner of the forum. Read every post on that page, except for the last one, where some typically incoherent Muslim posted a completely unrelated diatribe. Menj told me about it and I looked it up and gained the correct understanding of it. Harvey confirmed the understanding and then raised a very good question as to why Allah would need to use iltifat and suggested that it points to an author besides Allah. I still think it's a load and an excuse for Muhammad probably getting whipped up into a frenzy and forgetting he's not supposed to be speaking these parts, Allah is. The only thing I was incorrect about, is that apparently it was only a year ago. For some reason, I thought it was longer ago. Oh well.
Tssssst, sizzle sizzle. You shouldn't a oughtta' done that. You ask for proof, you got it. But we all know that you are a Muslim, and therefore not capable of even accepting proof if it doesn't say what you want. We all know this. We're used to it. You're not the first, stereotypically brick headed Muslim that's come on here. In fact, I'd say 50% or more are like you. That's the disturbing part |
if you are sunshine I want you to go and edit this
Good point. Allah writes in obscure terms that are specific only to Arab story telling. What a load. |
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