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LCD
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for example: the genealogy of nations in Genesis is a forgery.
The Chronicles, kings, priests section are mainly addition of government secular documentaries and few verses from the revealed bible.
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BULL! Where is your evidence! You natzi anit-semite. Where is your evidence. Funny how these Geneologies add straight up to Soloman and David,
but Koranhas CRAP for any type of Geneology.
Care to explain HOW you know 2600 years later?
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Ezra and Nehemia are forgeries (in the manner that those two prophets are liars not true prophets at all).
Ester too.
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And again, where is your proof you joke of a plagiarist. You want to play this game. The Koran is a Plagiarism of the Bible!
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But Jesus came to explain what was distorted and he did that fully in his school at Qumran, where the early christians there graduated by the hundreds and spread .
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Laugh! Jesus ran a school at Qumran!1 HA and guess what they found at Qumran!!!! Dead Sea Scrolls, which guess what, correspond exactly and com0pletely with the books you say are forgeries!
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They were the saved and redeamed from the jeby the muslims. only the current muslim are the continuation of the pupils of Jesus at Qumran
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Oh my god, my sides hurt, who told you this ciomplete lie, and guess what, where is your EVIDENCE!!!!!!??? Where Reletard?
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(Seir desert mountains!!! propphecised)( the order of god will shine from Seir (Qumran -land of Damascus)!! |
LOL, what a joke you are!!!! |
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Such lies and falsehoods will make its way to SE Asian Muslims and when it becomes the 'gospel' truth ( the irony here ) for Muslims anyone questioning such belief 'fight' against Islam and are charged correspondingly.
'Truth must stand clear from Lies' and 'Thou shall not Lie' but thanks to HAM the Quran has become the book on which people swear by when lying.
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reletomp
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My last post was so powerful that it silenced them.
so I will continue from there.!!
The first mention of Qumran was in the early 1900 when a German orientalist discovered the cemetary at Qumran and declared in newspaper
"Muslim tombs before Muhammad) since the tombs were exactly islamic but 600 years before Islam!!!!
It turned out that the "Land of Damascus" famous in the Damascus document which is thought to be a christian document "The New Testament declaration" tells about the christians moving to the "Land of Damascus" and tell their followers to follow them there.
That is why "Simon son of Kapa" better known as Saint Paul (to the misled christians) wnt to Damascus instead of going to Qumran (in the land of Damascus province near Jerusalem).
he could not find the christians to kill them or torture them, so he pretended to talk to Jesus there in Damascus in cahoot with the rabbie of Damascus at the time the evil (nicodimous).
But the secret place of Qumran school was never found bythe Intellegencia of the jews.
and christians there (Essenes) studied the Engil of Jesus and then saw Jesus live ascend to heaven in front of thousands of Essenes (in Arameic essenes read Esaoin=of Esa, of Jesus).
The students sealed their books (the correct old testament, the Jesus's Gospel=New Testament books)
and they split all over the land so that no body discover them, but they continued to return to the caves to sipplement themselves with the real bible and the gospel of jesus (explaination of the old testament)
However early christians were caught one by one by Paul secret agents and tortured (example: Saint George)
and died smiling in their last breath on the torture chamber!!!
they never revealed the school area and refused to denounce Jesus under torture.
Those who remained were called the essenes were scattered in hiding places monestaries in deep in the rigid mountains to worship god the right way and escape god/s wrath on their nation (the Jews) n 70 AD and 120 AD.
a new forged religion of agnostics started by Paul the s o b who made up the current false christians. while the essenes dwendled in numbers untill Islam, when the essenes had a great comeback from the ashes as the muslims worriers who avenged the early christians and chased the fakeries, and the stone (islam) that became a mountain and destroyed Byzantiom empire (feet of iron mingled with clay in daniel prophecy) and Islam spread all over the world. as jesus prophecised that the kingdom of God led by the Paracletos (Mohammad) will be coming soon (exactly one jubilee years aftr Jesus:490 years) only. |
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Mersk
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It would be good to know what Muslims thought of HAM not knowing why Romans tossed early Christians to the lions - as early as the years immediately after Christ died. And my post is so powerful no Buddhist nor Christian believe in the bullcrap that is Islam. The silence is a testimony of this fact.
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Mersk
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My last post was so powerful that it silenced them.
so I will continue from there.!!
However early christians were caught one by one by Paul secret agents and tortured (example: Saint George)
and died smiling in their last breath on the torture chamber!!!
they never revealed the school area and refused to denounce Jesus under torture.
Those who remained were called the essenes were scattered in hiding places monestaries in deep in the rigid mountains to worship god the right way and escape god/s wrath on their nation (the Jews) n 70 AD and 120 AD.
a new forged religion of agnostics started by Paul the s o b who made up the current false christians. while the essenes dwendled in numbers untill Islam, when the essenes had a great comeback from the ashes as the muslims worriers who avenged the early christians and chased the fakeries, and the stone (islam) that became a mountain and destroyed Byzantiom empire (feet of iron mingled with clay in daniel prophecy) and Islam spread all over the world. as jesus prophecised that the kingdom of God led by the Paracletos (Mohammad) will be coming soon (exactly one jubilee years aftr Jesus:490 years) only. |
The wonder of wonder in an Islamic mind to fabricate their own lies and live in a delusional state. Meditate a little on the above and Buddhist must be wondering why accounts of Paul about Christ in Bible and the rest of the disciples does not differ?!!
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LCD
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My last post was so powerful that it silenced them.
so I will continue from there.!!
The first mention of Qumran was in the early 1900 when a German orientalist discovered the cemetary at Qumran and declared in newspaper
"Muslim tombs before Muhammad) since the tombs were exactly islamic but 600 years before Islam!!!!
It turned out that the "Land of Damascus" famous in the Damascus document which is thought to be a christian document "The New Testament declaration" tells about the christians moving to the "Land of Damascus" and tell their followers to follow them there.
That is why "Simon son of Kapa" better known as Saint Paul (to the misled christians) wnt to Damascus instead of going to Qumran (in the land of Damascus province near Jerusalem).
he could not find the christians to kill them or torture them, so he pretended to talk to Jesus there in Damascus in cahoot with the rabbie of Damascus at the time the evil (nicodimous).
But the secret place of Qumran school was never found bythe Intellegencia of the jews.
and christians there (Essenes) studied the Engil of Jesus and then saw Jesus live ascend to heaven in front of thousands of Essenes (in Arameic essenes read Esaoin=of Esa, of Jesus).
The students sealed their books (the correct old testament, the Jesus's Gospel=New Testament books)
and they split all over the land so that no body discover them, but they continued to return to the caves to sipplement themselves with the real bible and the gospel of jesus (explaination of the old testament)
However early christians were caught one by one by Paul secret agents and tortured (example: Saint George)
and died smiling in their last breath on the torture chamber!!!
they never revealed the school area and refused to denounce Jesus under torture.
Those who remained were called the essenes were scattered in hiding places monestaries in deep in the rigid mountains to worship god the right way and escape god/s wrath on their nation (the Jews) n 70 AD and 120 AD.
a new forged religion of agnostics started by Paul the s o b who made up the current false christians. while the essenes dwendled in numbers untill Islam, when the essenes had a great comeback from the ashes as the muslims worriers who avenged the early christians and chased the fakeries, and the stone (islam) that became a mountain and destroyed Byzantiom empire (feet of iron mingled with clay in daniel prophecy) and Islam spread all over the world. as jesus prophecised that the kingdom of God led by the Paracletos (Mohammad) will be coming soon (exactly one jubilee years aftr Jesus:490 years) only. |
Well, then, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to provide, A. The Newspaper entry in 1800.
Then it also shouldn't be too hard for you to understand that when it comes to history, the closer source is what people go by, not your wishful thinking in 1800. so the Sources of Paul, that you claim are fake, are closer to the event.
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LCD
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My last post was so powerful that it silenced them.
so I will continue from there.!!
The first mention of Qumran was in the early 1900 when a German orientalist discovered the cemetary at Qumran and declared in newspaper
"Muslim tombs before Muhammad) since the tombs were exactly islamic but 600 years before Islam!!!!
It turned out that the "Land of Damascus" famous in the Damascus document which is thought to be a christian document "The New Testament declaration" tells about the christians moving to the "Land of Damascus" and tell their followers to follow them there.
That is why "Simon son of Kapa" better known as Saint Paul (to the misled christians) wnt to Damascus instead of going to Qumran (in the land of Damascus province near Jerusalem).
he could not find the christians to kill them or torture them, so he pretended to talk to Jesus there in Damascus in cahoot with the rabbie of Damascus at the time the evil (nicodimous).
But the secret place of Qumran school was never found bythe Intellegencia of the jews.
and christians there (Essenes) studied the Engil of Jesus and then saw Jesus live ascend to heaven in front of thousands of Essenes (in Arameic essenes read Esaoin=of Esa, of Jesus).
The students sealed their books (the correct old testament, the Jesus's Gospel=New Testament books)
and they split all over the land so that no body discover them, but they continued to return to the caves to sipplement themselves with the real bible and the gospel of jesus (explaination of the old testament)
However early christians were caught one by one by Paul secret agents and tortured (example: Saint George)
and died smiling in their last breath on the torture chamber!!!
they never revealed the school area and refused to denounce Jesus under torture.
Those who remained were called the essenes were scattered in hiding places monestaries in deep in the rigid mountains to worship god the right way and escape god/s wrath on their nation (the Jews) n 70 AD and 120 AD.
a new forged religion of agnostics started by Paul the s o b who made up the current false christians. while the essenes dwendled in numbers untill Islam, when the essenes had a great comeback from the ashes as the muslims worriers who avenged the early christians and chased the fakeries, and the stone (islam) that became a mountain and destroyed Byzantiom empire (feet of iron mingled with clay in daniel prophecy) and Islam spread all over the world. as jesus prophecised that the kingdom of God led by the Paracletos (Mohammad) will be coming soon (exactly one jubilee years aftr Jesus:490 years) only. |
Well, then, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to provide, A. The Newspaper entry in 1800.
Then it also shouldn't be too hard for you to understand that when it comes to history, the closer source is what people go by, not your wishful thinking in 1800. so the Sources of Paul, that you claim are fake, are closer to the event.
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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| So, here's the critical issue. There was no original scripture written in heaven like the Quran claims. All of the past Abrahamic scriptures were narrated stories. None of them were God speaking directly to them in first person like the Quran is. ALL of them are written in third person narrative. So, if the Bible was corrupted, and the good original copy was like the Quran and was God talking directly to us, then that means that the original scriptures were not just corrupted, but every single verse was rewritten to change the entire thing from first person form into third person narrative. |
Not true, there was.
the bible is the word of God.
see for example Deutronomy 18: 18 speaks about (the Prophet To Come). it is one of the great example that the Bible was miracleous in poetry and grammer like Quran. |
Do you know the difference between first person and third person narrative? Here, I'll illustrate.
In the Abrahamic scriptures, it says "And God said, and God did" as if there was a third person narrating and telling us what God said and did. This is third person narrative form. But in the Quran it says "And We said, and we did". It's God speaking without a narrator and instead speaking directly to the reader. See the difference? See how the rest of your points are now invalid and were only the result of your misunderstanding of the real problem that I brought to light? Now please reread my original post and take another crack at it. Thank you.
And BTW, you are completely wrong about 18:18 if you are trying to suggest that that prophet was Muhammad, then I can show you why he was not. If you think he was, then start a topic about it and watch what happens.
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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| My last post was so powerful that it silenced them. |
Silly clown, didn't you even understand what my thread was saying.  Yes, what you said was powerfully stupid and oblivious. As they say, ignorance is the most powerful force in the universe.
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Islamis_Allah_Tashit
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My last post was so powerful that it silenced them.
so I will continue from there.!!
The first mention of Qumran was in the early 1900 when a German orientalist discovered the cemetary at Qumran and declared in newspaper
"Muslim tombs before Muhammad) since the tombs were exactly islamic but 600 years before Islam!!!!
It turned out that the "Land of Damascus" famous in the Damascus document which is thought to be a christian document "The New Testament declaration" tells about the christians moving to the "Land of Damascus" and tell their followers to follow them there.
That is why "Simon son of Kapa" better known as Saint Paul (to the misled christians) wnt to Damascus instead of going to Qumran (in the land of Damascus province near Jerusalem).
he could not find the christians to kill them or torture them, so he pretended to talk to Jesus there in Damascus in cahoot with the rabbie of Damascus at the time the evil (nicodimous).
But the secret place of Qumran school was never found bythe Intellegencia of the jews.
and christians there (Essenes) studied the Engil of Jesus and then saw Jesus live ascend to heaven in front of thousands of Essenes (in Arameic essenes read Esaoin=of Esa, of Jesus).
The students sealed their books (the correct old testament, the Jesus's Gospel=New Testament books)
and they split all over the land so that no body discover them, but they continued to return to the caves to sipplement themselves with the real bible and the gospel of jesus (explaination of the old testament)
However early christians were caught one by one by Paul secret agents and tortured (example: Saint George)
and died smiling in their last breath on the torture chamber!!!
they never revealed the school area and refused to denounce Jesus under torture.
Those who remained were called the essenes were scattered in hiding places monestaries in deep in the rigid mountains to worship god the right way and escape god/s wrath on their nation (the Jews) n 70 AD and 120 AD.
a new forged religion of agnostics started by Paul the s o b who made up the current false christians. while the essenes dwendled in numbers untill Islam, when the essenes had a great comeback from the ashes as the muslims worriers who avenged the early christians and chased the fakeries, and the stone (islam) that became a mountain and destroyed Byzantiom empire (feet of iron mingled with clay in daniel prophecy) and Islam spread all over the world. as jesus prophecised that the kingdom of God led by the Paracletos (Mohammad) will be coming soon (exactly one jubilee years aftr Jesus:490 years) only. |
This has to be one of the most pathetically childish attempts at lying that I have ever seen. And, of course, not one source or footnote or documentation. Whoever wrote this didn't think he needed that since gullible people such as yourself never ask them for this. And this person, nor you are even the least bit ashamed of this attempt at lying because it is your job to do so because you are Muslims. I have experience with this, and it is consistent across the board with Muslims. It's not so much the disagreement that's the problem, it's the perpetual lying and lack of shame in it that is the problem. They just don't care. Invent a story and cross your fingers that people will buy it without asking too many questions about it.
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reletomp: O She that hath decreed herself a physician and rightly doth proclaim a woman's breasts are BETWEEN HER RIBS and has given the Word that the male's scrotum doth reside in his PELVIC CAVITY:
You have not even read Deuteronomy.
Nor do you know what you speak of with such mighty flatulence.
You spew out any old rubbish without regard to references, links, or truth. |
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you can not deny that the ce600 years before islam.
the essenes followers of esa were islamic.
they did not believe tht their teacher of righteousness esa was a son of god but a mere human.
the essenes were reported by christians through the ages that they were the original followers and most pious followers of jesus (hence they took his name Esa while the others took the name christians or nasarians , Malakites (orthodex christianity heresy) Jacobites (catholic christianity heresy)
The two agnostic heresies (malakites and Jacobites grew up by preference from the Byzantium impire and Essenes were forced in to the remote mountains and desert untill Islam came and reversed the heresy and kicked it out from Middle east land of God (Israel between the Euphrates and Nile!)
Islam was the kngdom of God the good news of jesus to be coming soon after Jesus!!.
Jesus said some of you (essenes will still be found when that kingdom will come. It is true that some essenes were still found and they welcomed Islam and helped muslims!
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Jacobites=Catholism=heresy=gnosticism
Malakites=Orthodox eastern Christianity=religion of Constantipole= heresy= gnosticism.
Essenes=the true followers of Jesus= Muslims living today!!!.
Essenes are the number one people in the world since Islam came 1400 years ago.
The religion of Jesus continued to be dominant in the world.
Essenes changed their name to muslims!
2 billion people, the no 1 religion in the world since 650 AD.
Jesus won. you (jacobites and malakites followers of Paul (shimon bar Kappa) lost |
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you can not deny that the ce600 years before islam.
the essenes followers of esa were islamic.
they did not believe tht their teacher of righteousness esa was a son of god but a mere human.
the essenes were reported by christians through the ages that they were the original followers and most pious followers of jesus (hence they took his name Esa while the others took the name christians or nasarians , Malakites (orthodex christianity heresy) Jacobites (catholic christianity heresy)
The two agnostic heresies (malakites and Jacobites grew up by preference from the Byzantium impire and Essenes were forced in to the remote mountains and desert untill Islam came and reversed the heresy and kicked it out from Middle east land of God (Israel between the Euphrates and Nile!)
Islam was the kngdom of God the good news of jesus to be coming soon after Jesus!!.
Jesus said some of you (essenes will still be found when that kingdom will come. It is true that some essenes were still found and they welcomed Islam and helped muslims!
So
Jacobites=Catholism=heresy=gnosticism
Malakites=Orthodox eastern Christianity=religion of Constantipole= heresy= gnosticism.
Essenes=the true followers of Jesus= Muslims living today!!!.
Essenes are the number one people in the world since Islam came 1400 years ago.
The religion of Jesus continued to be dominant in the world.
Essenes changed their name to muslims!
2 billion people, the no 1 religion in the world since 650 AD.
Jesus won. you (jacobites and malakites followers of Paul (shimon bar Kappa) lost |
Good Job reletomp.
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Ezra and Nehemiah are prophets?
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Brendalee
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you can not deny that the ce600 years before islam.
the essenes followers of esa were islamic.
they did not believe tht their teacher of righteousness esa was a son of god but a mere human.
the essenes were reported by christians through the ages that they were the original followers and most pious followers of jesus (hence they took his name Esa while the others took the name christians or nasarians , Malakites (orthodex christianity heresy) Jacobites (catholic christianity heresy)
The two agnostic heresies (malakites and Jacobites grew up by preference from the Byzantium impire and Essenes were forced in to the remote mountains and desert untill Islam came and reversed the heresy and kicked it out from Middle east land of God (Israel between the Euphrates and Nile!)
Islam was the kngdom of God the good news of jesus to be coming soon after Jesus!!.
Jesus said some of you (essenes will still be found when that kingdom will come. It is true that some essenes were still found and they welcomed Islam and helped muslims!
So
Jacobites=Catholism=heresy=gnosticism
Malakites=Orthodox eastern Christianity=religion of Constantipole= heresy= gnosticism.
Essenes=the true followers of Jesus= Muslims living today!!!.
Essenes are the number one people in the world since Islam came 1400 years ago.
The religion of Jesus continued to be dominant in the world.
Essenes changed their name to muslims!
2 billion people, the no 1 religion in the world since 650 AD.
Jesus won. you (jacobites and malakites followers of Paul (shimon bar Kappa) lost |
Yes, good job reletomp! You really should get the Gobbledegook Par Excellence Award for putting up nonsense posts with no evidence or links (not to mention no sense).
Let me make a start with you: I deny that the Essenes were Muslims. As you have said I CANNOT do that, tell me exactly why I cannot. |
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