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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Ali Sina to a Muslim Kashmiri. Reply with quote

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"medicamen" <medicamen@caravan.ru>

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Dear Ali Sina,

Hi,

Every time i go into your site, there is always hatred against muslims. You always highlight what muslims do but never highlight what non mulims are doing in muslim countries.How many innocent muslims are being killed by American bombings in Afganistan and Irag , Russians killing chechnaya muslim, human right violations in Kashmir by Indian army.

Being my self a Kashmiri i want to know what is your opinion about the self determination of Kashmiris (for independence from Indian occupation).

Best Regards

Saif Kashmiri


Ali Sina:

This is the third email in the last 12 hours I got with exactly the same theme and virtually this is the main message of all the Muslims.

First of all America is not killing anywhere any civilians on purpose. They went to Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo, Kuwait, Panama, Japan, Germany and two dozens other places in the last fifty years, not to occupy or kill civilians, but to set them free from tyrannical rulers. How much hatred one must have for not seeing this simple fact that America is not killing people but freeing them? When you keep repeating and repeating this nonsense, do you think it will eventually make people doubt? No! You are only fooling your selves.

In Afghanistan it is the Muslims who used to mutilate, torture and kill innocent people with the authority of Islam, see these images: http://www.rawa.org/gallery.html Unfortunately these barbarities continue because the Islamic mindset of the Afghans is not changed. This is the fault of America for not realizing that the real enemy is Islam and the Taliban were just the symptom of this disease.

Americans brought democracy to these oppressed people, gave freedom to their women, allowed them to elect their own government and have their country ruled by law and not by goons.

In Iraq it was Saddam and his Ba’th party who killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, massacred, the Kurds and Shiites and killed them with poisonous gasses. It was he to attacked Iran and Kuwait killing over a million people. See these pictures. http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

America is not there to get the Iraqi oil. America has expended billions of dollars and sacrificed 2000 lives of its own daughters and sons to free Iraq. Now Iraq has its own government that is elected by the Iraqis. They run their own country. They are the ones who have asked the American army to remain and help them fight the terrorist insurgents who do not want democracy, who like to have all the power to themselves by force and by disregarding the vote of other citizens.

Things in Iraq are not rosy because Iraqis are Muslims and Islam and democracy are not compatible. Iraq will revert to chaos not because of America but because Muslims are incapable of ruling themselves democratically. They want to be ruled like animals, with sticks. They don't know what is democracy and how to apply it. They can't think straight because they are Muslims.

Americans are not killing civilians and children as Muslims lie to incite hate. Muslims are liars by nature. Muslims are the followers of Satan and they lie instinctively. They blatantly and shamelessly lie the way Muhammad instructed them to do. Children and civilians are caught in the cross fire and have been killed accidentally by American bullets, but also Americans and Canadians have been killed accidentally by American bullets. These are unfortunate accidents that have to do with human error. Americans do everything humanely possible to avoid civilian casualties.

In Abu Ghraib, some prison guards abused their power and humiliated the terrorists who were their prisoners. This is nothing compared to what Iranian mullahs or Saddam did to people. Yet no Muslim uttered a word of protest for what these Muslim thugs did to other Muslims. However, everywhere Muslims were up in arms to defend the “honor” of Islam when a few terrorists were shown with their naked butts in Abu Ghraib. What a stupidity! The abuse in Abu Ghraib, even though it was nothing compared to what Muslims do to each other, was not ordered from above. It was an abuse and the abusers were prosecuted and jailed. Some of them received 16 years jail terms. That in my view was exaggeration. They should have been just expelled from military. But since this was a military court, the sentencing was extremely harsh. Americans punished the abusers of Abu Ghraib severely. So how can America be guilty? In Iran. like in many Islamic countries thugs and criminals rule the state. In America the abusers are punished. Muslim terrorists murder innocent people on daily basis and most Muslims applaud it. This is evil. How can’t you see the difference?

Ali Ismaeel Abbas, the 12-year-old child who lost his family and arms in an American air raid was brought to USA and helped by the Americans. He was given Prosthetic arms. This was an unfortunate accident. As terrible as it was, it was still an accident. No one wanted to hurt this child or his parents on purpose. There is a difference between killing people accidentally and killing them maliciously and by detonating bombs in public places. Only Muslims can’t see the difference. With the exception of KKK, Muslims are the only people that do not follow the Golden Rule and mock it.

In Iraq Muslims deliberately bomb the civilians. Sunnis kill the Shiites. They kill the children.

Why you keep your heads in the sand and don’t want to see the truth? Why you insist to fool your selves and die as fools? You go to hell for being fools, for following an evil monster like Muhammad and for letting yourselves to be filled with hatred and lies.

Muslims seem to be all programmed to say the same nonsense over and over without the capacity to think. I want to puke every time I read these idiotic messages.

Now, for the sake of argument, let us suppose that Americans are bad. Let us assume that they went to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill civilians as you brain dead Muslims want to believe. What this has to do with the crimes of Muhammad? In what ways Islam becomes true if America, Israel or any other country is found guilty? As soon as we talk about Muhammad’s genocide Muslims say, Hitler killed more. Does this make Muhammad a saint? If Muhammad killed less than Hitler, does this make him a prophet? As long as you think others are also guilty of crimes you idiots are content that Muhammad was a mass murderer. I accused Muhammad of pedophilia and I had Muslims telling me, "but pedophilia also happens in the West". What insanity! Do the Westerners worship their pedophiles? Do they follow their serial killers? Do they say "peace be upon" our rapists, thieves and assassins? You Muslims worship a monster. How much stupidity is enough?

No, I do not agree with “Self determination” for Muslims anywhere. Not in Kashmir, not in Iran, not in Pakistan, not in Saudi Arabia, not anywhere! Muslims are truly incapable of governing. Once they come to power, they abuse the rest and trample over the rights of others, kill their own people, torment the women, end democracy, torture and kill their critics and engage in mischief like exporting terrorists to other countries. What will happen to the Hindus in Kashmir once the Muslims take over that land? The same that happened in Pakistan and in Bangladesh. They will be abused and persecuted until they are decimated and eventually annihilated. Muslims can’t and must not have self-determination. They must be colonized and ruled with iron fist and gradually educated until they leave Islam and learn to become full humans. Then, once they are no more Muslims, they can run their countries and do anything they want. But by then we are no more talking about Muslims. We are talking about human beings capable of rational thought and deserving of self government. Democracy does not mean the tyranny of the majority. Even Hitler came to power with popular vote. Even Khomeini received the majority of votes when he called for referendum. But neither the Nazi Germany nor Islamic Iran were/are democracies. Muslims must be defeated even though they are majority. Because if they come to power, they establish tyranny, kill people and promote terrorism.

It is not an insult to say Muslims are not humans. Every ex-Muslim including yours truly confesses that we discovered our humanity only after we got rid of the lies of Islam and learned to see all mankind without hate and prejudice. It was then that we stopped seeing people as Muslims and Kaafirs but as people. This was like removing our blinders. It was like lifting a huge load off of our chests. For the first time we saw mankind as one family. Our hearts was light and free from envy or hate. Suddenly we saw others, not as enemies, but as brothers and sisters. Suddenly we saw they do not hate us as we used to think, that all these hatred was originated from our own hearts and stems from the nefarious teachings of Islam.

As long as Muslims are Muslims they do not deserve to be treated in accordance to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Has any Islamic country subscribed to the UDHR? No, they have their own "Islamic Human Rights", which differs from the UDHR and in fact is its antithesis. Muslims must be treated in accordance to the teachings of the Quran. They must be treated the way Quran says non-Muslims should be treated. This is justice. If it’s good medicine, please taste it yourselves too. If you prescribe it to others, please have a gulp of it. I bet this will bring Muslims to their senses, make them sober and they will start leaving Islam in troupes.

I have no time responding to every idiotic message Muslims write. They all repeat the same nonsense. If you have any interest to save your souls and become humans, read this site and keep reading and reading until you see the light. I heard enough of what you have to say. Even before you write it, I know what you are going to write. It is you who have to open your eyes. Don't send me garbage anymore. I have no time reading your nonsense.

Yours truly

Ali Sina
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ali Sina wrote:
As long as Muslims are Muslims they do not deserve to be treated in accordance to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Has any Islamic country subscribed to the UDHR? No, they have their own "Islamic Human Rights", which differs from the UDHR and in fact is its antithesis. Muslims must be treated in accordance to the teachings of the Quran. They must be treated the way Quran says non-Muslims should be treated. This is justice. If it’s good medicine, please taste it yourselves too. If you prescribe it to others, please have a gulp of it. I bet this will bring Muslims to their senses, make them sober and they will start leaving Islam in troupes.


Sorry Ali, but this is just crap. You're promoting a similar apartheid system that Islam does. How does this make you any better than Muhammed? You lose the appearence of someone fighting for civilization and humankind, and instead take the cloak of someone promoting your side in a petty tribal war, Muslims being the enemy tribe. Islam is lost in a tribal mentality, it lives on it, and now you're adopting that mentality too.

And no, all citizens should be equal under the law. This is a hallmark of civilization. Regarding Muslims, I agree with what TROP wrote.

And your idea is also contra-productive to the cause. Ask yourself, when you was a Muslim, what are the chances that you would listen to or care about what any non-Muslim has to say if you was treated the way you prescribe treating Muslims?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is the result of Ali's constant contact with true muslims for the last 10 years.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ali, the Hindus of Kashmir have already been decimated. There are virtually no Hindus left in the province due to the terrorism of the Muslims.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firawn wrote:
Sorry Ali, but this is just crap. You're promoting a similar apartheid system that Islam does. How does this make you any better than Muhammed? You lose the appearence of someone fighting for civilization and humankind, and instead take the cloak of someone promoting your side in a petty tribal war, Muslims being the enemy tribe. Islam is lost in a tribal mentality, it lives on it, and now you're adopting that mentality too.

And no, all citizens should be equal under the law. This is a hallmark of civilization. Regarding Muslims, I agree with what TROP wrote.



Hi Firawn,

All is well that ends well. Just a piece of thought.

Muslims are not happy with the current treatment of war captives in Iraq and Afghanistan in the past. The only way to appease them would be to agree to Islamic Sharia rules and treat the war captives according to the holy Sharia. That must soothe them and only that would soothe them. What do you think?
They are not happy in West because they want to throw homosexuals into deep. They want to stone adulterers, want to chop hands off petty offenders, after all they want to establish Islamic States all over the world. Do you have any solutions for them?

Have you heard of any such upheaval in China? There are considerable amount of Muslims in China. Why? It must tell you something for sure..

Firawn wrote:
And your idea is also contra-productive to the cause. Ask yourself, when you was a Muslim, what are the chances that you would listen to or care about what any non-Muslim has to say if you was treated the way you prescribe treating Muslims?


While I was a Muslim, I was much annoyed listening to my pious Muslim friends. They never failed to warn me Quran forbids associating with Jews and Christians, but my best friends happened to be Hindus and Christians. I am sure Ali Sina too should have annoyed the way (if he had any such experience) non-Muslims are being treated by pious Muslims.

The only way to appease Muslims is establishing a full scale Islamic state. They don't have a perfect state so far though over 50 nations out there with more than 90% of Muslim populace. This Sharia state thing doesn't work in these lands. So, just let them establish Taliban states in Europe and America, possibly in India too. Only that would appease them and...

Wait.. still they will not stop killing...If there isn't an enemy in common they will kill each other very vigorously. They are very good in it. I mean not only the current Muslim populace, but it started as early as seventh century, soon after this cult called religion got established in that desert. History testifies it and current events in the so-called Muslim nations are indicative of it. So do you think it would be fair to let these people fight each other and perish on their own?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What will happen to the Hindus in Kashmir once the Muslims take over that land? The same that happened in Pakistan and in Bangladesh. They will be abused and persecuted until they are decimated and eventually annihilated. Muslims can’t and must not have self-determination. They must be colonized and ruled with iron fist and gradually educated until they leave Islam and learn to become full humans. Then, once they are no more Muslims, they can run their countries and do anything they want. But by then we are no more talking about Muslims. We are talking about human beings capable of rational thought and deserving of self government. Democracy does not mean the tyranny of the majority.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=281625&highlight=#281625

Actually the % of Hindus in Kashmir is 0.1%. 96% of Kashmiri Hindus were kicked out within 3 years of insurgency.Still I am in favour of granting substantial autonomy to Kashmir due to some historical factors that fuel animosity.I do not favour its seperation though,for that would put India at disadvantage with China.Historically,people at high altitude were able to defend themselves better.
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Kashmiri is a language of the Indo-Aryan group and is often mistaken as the state language of Jammu and Kashmir. Urdu is the state language of Jammu and Kashmir. Kashmiri speaking population of the state comes to around 55% of the total population. Kashmiri literature goes back to AD 1200.



http://www.indiabook.com/india-information/official-language.html

Urdu is spoken by around 140 muslims in India.Why is urdu official language rather than kashmiri?Is it because muslim identity is crucial for the state and historically urdu is associated with muslims of the sub-continent?Anyone can answer?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarun wrote:
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What will happen to the Hindus in Kashmir once the Muslims take over that land? The same that happened in Pakistan and in Bangladesh. They will be abused and persecuted until they are decimated and eventually annihilated. Muslims can’t and must not have self-determination. They must be colonized and ruled with iron fist and gradually educated until they leave Islam and learn to become full humans. Then, once they are no more Muslims, they can run their countries and do anything they want. But by then we are no more talking about Muslims. We are talking about human beings capable of rational thought and deserving of self government. Democracy does not mean the tyranny of the majority.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=281625&highlight=#281625

Actually the % of Hindus in Kashmir is .1%. 96% of Kashmiri Hindus were kicked out within 3 years of insurgency.Still I am in favour of granting substantial autonomy to Kashmir due to some historical factors that fuel animosity.I do not favour its seperation though,for that would put India at disadvantage with China.Historically,people at high altitude were able to defend themselves better.


Kashmir doesn't have borders with China. so how can independence for Kashmir put India at disadvantage? IMHO, Kahmir along with Muslim majority districts in jammu should be given independence and then turned into a protectorate of India. Partition Kashmir if you have to, for the displaced kashmiri pandits. Also Jammu and Ladakh should be made full-fledged states.
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Aragog wrote:
Tarun wrote:
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What will happen to the Hindus in Kashmir once the Muslims take over that land? The same that happened in Pakistan and in Bangladesh. They will be abused and persecuted until they are decimated and eventually annihilated. Muslims can’t and must not have self-determination. They must be colonized and ruled with iron fist and gradually educated until they leave Islam and learn to become full humans. Then, once they are no more Muslims, they can run their countries and do anything they want. But by then we are no more talking about Muslims. We are talking about human beings capable of rational thought and deserving of self government. Democracy does not mean the tyranny of the majority.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=281625&highlight=#281625

Actually the % of Hindus in Kashmir is .1%. 96% of Kashmiri Hindus were kicked out within 3 years of insurgency.Still I am in favour of granting substantial autonomy to Kashmir due to some historical factors that fuel animosity.I do not favour its seperation though,for that would put India at disadvantage with China.Historically,people at high altitude were able to defend themselves better.


Kashmir doesn't have borders with China. so how can independence for Kashmir put India at disadvantage? IMHO, Kahmir along with Muslim majority districts in jammu should be given independence and then turned into a protectorate of India. Partition Kashmir if you have to, for the displaced kashmiri pandits. Also Jammu and Ladakh should be made full-fledged states.


Directly there could be no threat.It is Ladakh that borders China and China occupies a third of territory of Jammu and Kashmir.But to the best of memory,there is only one road connecting to Leh in Ladakh due to the region being mountainous.If Kashmir is gone,then the road might get into jeopardy if Kashmiris or Pakistan decide to ally with China.

During 1962 war with China,Pakistan was asked by the Chinese to launch attacks on India so that two can finish off India simultaneously.Luckily Pakistan heeded to the U.S and did not attack.If both attacked India would have been paralysed.So unless we too are on par with the Chinese
in having long range mobile ballistic missiles and many nuclear warheads,Kashmir should not be let off.It is an important defence territory.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if pakistan ever gets kashmir then soon india will have a hindu party. muslims in the rest of india will be butchered. no one will be able to save them.

so i think pakistan should get kashmir but it should also accept all the muslims from rest of india.
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