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CroMagnon
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 Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:56 am Post subject: Terror plan to blow up city in the Netherlands |
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dutch link (from a minor, regional paper), I'm in a hurry, no time to translate all of it now... one of the other dutchies maybe..?
in short: a probable islamic-terror plan has been discovered (on july 6 already) to blow up an entire dutch city with 50 suicide bombers.... a guy talked about this idea (to blow up an entire city) in a tapped telephone conversation and was subsequently arrested... but he has been released last monday because 'it couldn't be proved that his talking about this idea was anything more than a boasting phantasy' ....  
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12 november 2004, 22:27 uur • Artikeloverzicht
Terreur: plan om stad op te blazen
Patrick Pouw en Dylan de Gruijl
utrecht - Terroristen zouden plannen hebben gemaakt om een grote stad in Nederland op te blazen. Vijftig zelfmoordenaars zouden deze catastrofe moeten veroorzaken. De AIVD hoorde van dit plan toen zij op 6 juli een telefoongesprek aftapten van Hassan O. uit Utrecht met de Irakees Mohamed T.
Hassan werd op 26 september na vijf alarmerende ambtsberichten van de veiligheidsdienst aangehouden. Hij zou explosieven hebben vervoerd en in bezit hebben gehad. Uit AIVD-informatie blijkt verder dat Hassan en Mohamed T. op 2 juni in Den Haag foto's maakten van onder meer de Amerikaanse en Britse ambassade, de Tweede- en Eerste Kamer en Paleis Noordeinde. Hassan werd afgelopen maandag na 43 dagen gevangenschap vrijgelaten. Volgens Justitie kon niet worden aangetoond dat de uitlatingen van de man op meer dan 'grootspraak' hebben berust.
Hassan verklaarde tegen rechercheurs onder meer dat de bij hem gevonden foto's van overheidsgebouwen en ambassades in Den Haag waren bedoeld voor de familie van Mohamed in Irak.
De advocaat van Hassan zegt desgevraagd dat hij vermoedt dat Hassan is vrijgelaten ''om te kijken wat er gebeurt''. De raadsman stelt dat uit het dossier ''geconcludeerd kan worden dat hij geen medestander is van ons systeem''. "Ik heb ook nooit gebruld dat justitie de blunder van de eeuw heeft begaan door hem aan te houden. Dat er ernstige bezwaren tegen mijn cliënt waren is klip en klaar. Alleen moeten die door onderzoek versterkt worden, en dat is niet gebeurd." |
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CroMagnon
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btw, i just read on the dutch teletext news that the (christain democrat) minister of justice Donner wants to make 'offensive blasphemy' ('ergerlijke godslastering') more easily punishable ....
He also said that he doesn't want to imply with this that Theo van Gogh had gone to far... 
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Is the faith of believers in mythical beings so weak that is has to be protected by law...? 
.... dutchyland going completely bonkers....
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He will get voted out.
He speaks for himself and carries a few gullible sychophants with him, his days in office are numbered. |
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Hey CroMagnon,
Welcome to the club. As we all knew it down here in Israel, fate has a great sense of irony; the international justice court in Hauge (Netherlands) ruled against Israel over the Security life saving fence, and now they start realizing even this won't help them.
Survival Tip from the veterans: Do NOT wait to retaliate and when you do, do it all the way and NEVER give up. By the way, expect a lot of criticism from your own allies as you'll be put down as a war monger.
Again, welcome to the club.
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Dan-Cannon
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| CroMagnon wrote: |
btw, i just read on the dutch teletext news that the (christain democrat) minister of justice Donner wants to make 'offensive blasphemy' ('ergerlijke godslastering') more easily punishable ....
He also said that he doesn't want to imply with this that Theo van Gogh had gone to far... |
Let them take the 'offensive blasphemers' to court. And let the 'offensive blasphemers' take the Quran with them, and show that whatever they said can be proven by the historical books and the scriptures.
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Frodo Baggins
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Can somebody make a translation of the Dutch article and post it here? I am sure people like Robert spencer at Jihad Watch would welcome it.
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Hume
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I don't want to have to prove I'm right when I am using my freedom of expression, 40 years ago god could be depicted as an ass being f.cked in the arse in a play, don't say we are going back to the fifties or even further, so as not to offend some people who prefer to believe in fairytales....
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Dan-Cannon
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Hume wrote: |
| I don't want to have to prove I'm right when I am using my freedom of expression, 40 years ago god could be depicted like an ass being f.cked in the arse in a play, don't say we are going back to the fifties or even further, so as not to offend some people who prefer to believe in fairytales.... |
This is precisely why i keep telling people like Lilith that one day a truly scary political party might surface which will get a lot of support, because the current elite keeps pushing the everyday people closer to the ravine.
How can you blame people for fostering more and more hate if these people (like the CDA) actually have the nerve to punish blasphemy, instead of telling muslims outright: accept freedom of speech or leave.
There is a reason that Vlaams Blok is popular in Belgium and BNP in England, and its not because people are fascists or racists (although some are) but because they see they simply have no other alternative, if the mainstream parties act as such collaborators to religious intimidation and fascism.
As a Dutchman i say: Holland will get what it deserves.
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Frodo Baggins
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Dan-Cannon wrote: |
| This is precisely why i keep telling people like Lilith that one day a truly scary political party might surface which will get a lot of support, because the current elite keeps pushing the everyday people closer to the ravine. |
Democracy in Europe could collapse under the pressures caused by Muslim immigration. The 1930s all over again.
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Hume
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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For all the dutchies, did you guys know blasphemy already is illegal in The Netherlands and can be punished with 3 months in jail or a fine?
Artikel 147
Met gevangenisstraf van ten hoogste drie maanden of geldboete van de tweede categorie wordt gestraft:
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hij die zich in het openbaar, mondeling of bij geschrift of afbeelding, door smalende godslasteringen op voor godsdienstige gevoelens krenkende wijze uitlaat;
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hij die een bedienaar van de godsdienst in de geoorloofde waarneming van zijn bediening bespot;
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hij die voorwerpen aan een eredienst gewijd, waar en wanneer de uitoefening van die dienst geoorloofd is, beschimpt.
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Dan-Cannon
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Hume wrote: |
| For all the dutchies, did you guys know blasphemy already is illegal in The Netherlands and can be punished with 3 months in jail or a fine? |
If they would actually use these laws, they would undoubtedly ignite a revolution. People want to move forward, not backward.
Its a religious Islamic tenet to claim apostates should be killed, women are inferior and homosexuality a disease.
Let's see if people willing to apply the law are willing to accept that this means protecting religious rights to say or practice it against those who condemn it.
If the CDA applies these laws they will blow themselves to smithereens at the next elections (they probably will already anyway).
Time for an anti-religion political party which outright forbids religion and religious expression outside of the home and the place of worship. Enough with these God-worshipping idiots.
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Its a shame that things like this have to happen to wake people up to the threat of Islam. Even after things like this happen far left idiots usually say that it wouldn't have happened if the victims didn't do something to make it happen, for example look at all the America Bashing going on now.
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Frodo Baggins
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No translation?
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Hume
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Cro-Magnon's summary sufices, there's no extra info in the message except some names and the fact he had taken pictures of goverment buildings and embassies in The Hague....
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Dan-Cannon
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I'll translate it.
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12 november 2004, 22:27 uur •
Terror: plan to blow up city
Patrick Pouw and Dylan de Gruijl
Utrecht - Terrorists supposedly had made plans to blow up a big city in Holland. Fifty suicide-killers would have to cause this catastrophe. The AIVD heard of this plan when on july 6th they tapped a phone conversation of Hassan O. from Utrecht with the Iraqi Mohamed T.
Hassan was arrested on 26th spetember after 5 alarming bulletins from the intelligence service (AIVD). He had supposedly transported explosives and supposedly had them in his possession. From AIVD-information it further appeared that Hassan and Mohamed T. had made photo's on june 2nd in The Hague of, among others, the American and British embassy', the Second and First Chambers of parliament and Palace Noordeinde. Hassan was released this past monday after 43 days of detention. According to the justice department it couln't be proven that the man's expressions on the phone were more than 'tough talk'.
Hassan declared to detectives among other things that the photos found on him of govenment buildings and embassy's in The Hague were meant for the family of Mohamed in Iraq.
Hassan's lawyer said that he suspects that Hassan was released to 'see what happens'. The counselor states that from his dossier can be "concluded that Hassan is no supporter of our system". "I've also never shouted that the justice department had made the error of the century by arresting him. That there were serious complaints against my client is obvious. Only this should be verified by investigation, and this didn't happen." |
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