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slick_horsie
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 25
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:21 am Post subject: JUST MY OPINION |
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I find this site very amusing, and I am surprised that people actually believe the garbage Ali Sina preaches. Mr Sina clearly is preaching hate towards Muslims, for what reason I have no idea. He is entitled to his opinions as is everyone but to fill peoples head with rubbish like this is a whole different matter. I believe anyone that preaches hate towards another has bad intentions at heart, that includes Muslim as well. Not only does he take Islam out of context he isolates Islam as the only religion to commit crimes. Not once does he compare it to other religions which have committed far more atrocities.
Lets take Christianity for example, what does Mr Sina have to say about the Crusades? A whole civilisation was destroyed by Christian crusaders in newly discovered America. What comparison does Mr Sina have for Islam? Crusaders raped and looted an entire population and this is well recorded History, it's fact! What facts can Mr Sina throw up against Islam on the same scale as the Crusaders? None! But Mr Sina and his followers will make excuses and etc....
What about Jesus, who according to Christians was crucified by jews and still isn't recognised as a prophet!
Islam does not state to be a new religion but a continuation of Judaism and Christianity. Prophet Muhammad is a messenger just like Jesus and Moses before him. If Islam is incorrect and wrong then I am sorry so must Christianity and Judaism be wrong also. Islam's principles and laws are based on those two religions. Yet Mr Sina singles out Islam.
Muslims don't hate on Judaism and Christianity because they see it as part of their religion, now I'm referring to learned Muslims. The average person with any given faith is open to interpretation from people such as Mr Sina and therefore you will get Muslims and people of other faiths whom will preach hate. Though in general Muslims will not hate and kill people of other faiths unless their way of life is threatened as is the case in the world today. I'm sorry but unless I'm deaf dumb and blind Muslims aren't doing the killing in the world today, Muslims are being killed! Now I sense some of you idiots laughing at that sentence. Do the History. At the peak of the Islamic world Muslims allowed people of other faiths to practise for a payable tax. Which is fair considering Christians and Jews slaughtered all Muslims out right.
Muhammad didn't just climb down from a mountain and form a clan to go on a rampage through the middle east as Mr Sina makes it out to be. He preached just like Jesus, only when jews were attempting to kill him and his followers did he retaliate. Does that make him a murderer? My opinion it's called self defence.
How can a whole empire be built on the foundation that a madman has laid? I say madman because that is what Mr Sina makes Muhammad out to be. An empire consists of a flourishing economy, trade. Co-existing with people of their own kind and foreigner's. Laws and politics, science and engineering. Now in the Islamic world all these things existed. Do some research on the Moors or the Ottomans and the Mughals A people i believe have been excluded out of history though a very successful peoples in all aspects. How can a peadophile, a murderer, rapist, thief achieve or ignite the spark that created all this? Please Mr Sina explain that to me.
I went to visit the British museum a short while ago, they had a whole floor dedicated to Islamic art and culture. A guide told us about what Muslims have achieved and what they have contributed to humanity. This is an educated guide with no doubt a degree, told me about Islam. Now why should I listen to what Mr Sina has to say, and not The British Museum? The museum displayed Islamic artefacts and scripture right before me and they were comparable to those of other empires such as China. How can a bloodthirsty cult display such talent and importance to the advancement of humanity? Simple answer, Islam is not a danger to the world today as it never was. Mr Sina is attempting to brainwash you and he's doing a very bad job at it unless you are completely dumb.
Mr Bush staged the threat of terrorism as is Mr Sina doing right now. The world isn't doomed because of Muslims. Two world wars, as I recall the Muslims had nothing to do with that. Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Were? I didn't see any. Seizing oil and looting now I know theirs plenty of that going on. Everything that Mr Sina claimed Muhammad has done to expand/conquer. Mr Bush is doing right now to Muslims. People need to open their eyes and stop listening to others. Switch the television off and get your backside on to the Internet. Research, all the evidence is there for you. Type Islam into wikipedia (a non-muslim online encyclopaedia) you will be amazed to find what Muslims have contributed to society. This is a good site, shows the real horrors that American soldiers are committing in the Muslim lands. http://mindprod.com/politics/israel.html
Everything I have expressed here is my opinion. I maybe wrong, maybe right but it's an opinion brought about by growing up in Britain. I know the faults Islam has or rather Muslims create, but religion in general is difficult, it all comes down to a fight over which one is right. Please don't single out Islam as the reason for the worlds problems.
Islam is here to stay, it's been around for a few thousand years I don't think Mr Sina and his clowns will get rid of it any time soon. Whatever you decide please make an educated informed decision. Don't listen to people, YOU learn the facts and decide for yourself. If then you still feel the same then you have my respect. To those who still feel Bush is doing the right thing then there's no hope for you. |
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ixolite

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Posts: 12939 Location: land of pork and beer
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Lets take Christianity for example, what does Mr Sina have to say about the Crusades? A whole civilisation was destroyed by Christian crusaders in newly discovered America. What comparison does Mr Sina have for Islam? Crusaders raped and looted an entire population and this is well recorded History, it's fact! What facts can Mr Sina throw up against Islam on the same scale as the Crusaders? None! But Mr Sina and his followers will make excuses and etc...
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How about Egypt, Turkey, Spain, Lebanon, Marrocco, Persia, India, etc....
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| What about Jesus, who according to Christians was crucified by jews and still isn't recognised as a prophet! |
What? In Christianity Jesus is not only a prophet, but god.... ...and he still was crucified by the romans.
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| Islam does not state to be a new religion but a continuation of Judaism and Christianity. Prophet Muhammad is a messenger just like Jesus and Moses before him. If Islam is incorrect and wrong then I am sorry so must Christianity and Judaism be wrong also. Islam's principles and laws are based on those two religions. |
Judaism = you shall not kill
Christianity = love your neighbour like yourself/love your enemy
Islam = slay the infidels wherever you find them
Continuation? Nope.
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| He preached just like Jesus, only when jews were attempting to kill him and his followers did he retaliate. |
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15311
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| Muslims are being killed! |
Yeah, by other mohammedans.
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| I went to visit the British museum a short while ago, they had a whole floor dedicated to Islamic art and culture. A guide told us about what Muslims have achieved and what they have contributed to humanity. This is an educated guide with no doubt a degree, told me about Islam. Now why should I listen to what Mr Sina has to say, and not The British Museum? The museum displayed Islamic artefacts and scripture right before me and they were comparable to those of other empires such as China. How can a bloodthirsty cult display such talent and importance to the advancement of humanity? Simple answer, Islam is not a danger to the world today as it never was. |
Islam contributed nothing.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=321008#321008
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| Type Islam into wikipedia (a non-muslim online encyclopaedia) you will be amazed to find what Muslims have contributed to society. |
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| Islam is here to stay, it's been around for a few thousand years |
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"Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience." - Goldthwait H. Dorr |
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Jam

Joined: 27 Jun 2008 Posts: 110 Location: In kafirland, Alhamdulillah!
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: JUST MY OPINION |
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Islam does not state to be a new religion but a continuation of Judaism and Christianity. Prophet Muhammad is a messenger just like Jesus and Moses before him. If Islam is incorrect and wrong then I am sorry so must Christianity and Judaism be wrong also. Islam's principles and laws are based on those two religions. Yet Mr Sina singles out Islam.
Muslims don't hate on Judaism and Christianity because they see it as part of their religion, now I'm referring to learned Muslims. The average person with any given faith is open to interpretation from people such as Mr Sina and therefore you will get Muslims and people of other faiths whom will preach hate. |
Christianity and Judaism is a part of Islam? Perhaps to you, but not to them obviously, and they're the ones that belong to that faith and can really say if they feel their religions are part of Islam or not. So you cannot conclude that if Islam is incorrect so those two must be too.
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| How can a peadophile, a murderer, rapist, thief achieve or ignite the spark that created all this? Please Mr Sina explain that to me. |
The Quran and hadith themselves prove that Muhammad was a pedophile, murderer, rapist etc. The claims made on this site have been supported by Islamic materials.
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| How can a bloodthirsty cult display such talent and importance to the advancement of humanity? |
Art and architecture have nothing to do with morality.
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| I know the faults Islam has or rather Muslims create, but religion in general is difficult, it all comes down to a fight over which one is right. Please don't single out Islam as the reason for the worlds problems. |
You're right. The adherents of Islam should be excused for their lack of understanding Islam. You know, the bad muslims that don't take sex slaves and children for their pleasure.
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| To those who still feel Bush is doing the right thing then there's no hope for you. |
How is what Muhammad did any better than Bush? Not that I care for him but at least Bush hasn't fudged a 9 year old. _________________ Sickening morals:
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/33597
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/20910
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/14022
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/1018
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/1493
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/111881 |
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slick_horsie
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 25
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Typical response from Dr Sina's clown, again like Mr Sina you single out Islam as the only religion to do crime. Yes Islam conquered many countries but what did they establish afterwards? Why can't Sina's clown understand that every religion, every race or tribe will conquer new land. People will perish atrocities will be committed. It's what happens afterwards that truly shows the intentions of the offending party.
Unlike the Crusaders who plundered the land and raped the people of everything and i mean everything. Spread all sorts of diseases filled their pockets with riches. Mughal empire in India for example. The Moors in Spain, these empires flourished. In what part of the world have crusaders left such a positive impact?
Jesus was handed over to the Romans by the Jews to be crucified. As I understand the Romans where hesitant but Jews insisted. This is no secret, it's there on the Internet or books for you to read. I'll be honest I got it from Mel Gibsons movie the passion of christ
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Judaism = you shall not kill
Christianity = love your neighbour like yourself/love your enemy
Islam = slay the infidels wherever you find them |
Haha typical response from an someone who is choosing his/her words to portray their understanding of each faith.
Judaism- Jesus was persecuted because of them. What is happening in Palestine? Albeit you'll say Muslims are killing Jews with acts of terrorism. But you'll miss out the part that Jews are occupying Muslim lands and for every handful of Jews killed hundreds of Muslims are being slaughtered in air attacks. Israel is an illegal state which defies many treaties. But hey I guess it's ok because only Muslims commit such crimes right?
Christianity- love thy neighbour? That's the funniest of all statements. I am not even going to respond to that, you only have to look at what America is doing and there's your answer. And if you don't see it then I'm sorry but the world could do without you.
Islam is a lot of things, backwards is one of them. I believe that is not due to the religion but the people who practise it. One thing I can put my hand on heart and say Islam is not the threat this website makes it out to be. Let History teach you who is a threat to humanity, history has the ability to repeat itself because people don't change. May I remind you of two world wars which Muslims have had nothing to do with. A couple of towers crumble and everyone loses the plot!
Islam has never been a threat. Muslims are under threat and they are retaliating which you define as terrorism. Islam is strong, it's roots and it's principles are clear it will not bend to suggestions of any given time period. Muslims will keep fighting we'll make sure you clowns do your job. Peace to all, we are all human before anything else. |
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slick_horsie
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 25
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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By the way I think this site in great in the sense that you get a lot of intelligent individuals who will prove a point with facts and sources outside this website. I've learnt good things about Islam that I never knew, just the same I have learnt bad things Muslims have done.
I think what this site set out to do it has done the opposite, it's certainly made me look further into my faith. It has raised questions which I have researched to answer, but the answer is completely different to what Mr Sina claims. |
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Jam

Joined: 27 Jun 2008 Posts: 110 Location: In kafirland, Alhamdulillah!
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yeezevee
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 17109
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| slick_horsie: By the way I think this site in great in the sense that you get a lot of intelligent individuals who will prove a point with facts and sources outside this website... |
Good .. Good., welcome to FFU dear slick_horsie., I know this site will help Muslims., so make it as YOUR GOAL to let the Muslims know about FFI and its forum , Get out of the sickness and start working dear slick_horsie.
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Winston

Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 122 Location: Mecca (top secret)
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to actually learn something about the crusades before you try to use them to defend the many genocides perpetrated by Muslims then read this exerpt from a book called 'The Prophet of Doom'
There are no such bargains in the Gospels (referring to paradise for jihad). Killing is not an express ticket to heaven. Yahshua (Jesus) never asked his followers to "slay" anyone. Yahshua mentions killing only once. He tells a parable about a ruler in the final days of the to be forgotten to encourage Christians to be productive, not destructive.
In the Torah, Yahweh (the real Gods name) asked the Israelites to kill once, as well. He told Moses and Joshua to remove those poisoned by the Canaanite religion from the land. They were like Muhammad's Muslims: immoral, terrorizing, plundering, enslaving, and murdering. Their religion was as corrupt as Islam - equally demonic. Yahweh recognized it was more compassionate to exterminate some Canaanites than it was to allow them to seduce millions. He made the right call, but the Jews failed to execute his order.
Let's consider Yahweh's moral justification for fighting. Imagine that you were God and knew the thousand people most responsible for the September 11th suicide bombings. You know that they have been poisoned to believe that mass murder is a service to you. Left alone, they will corrupt and murder thousands. Would you kill them before they perpetrated these crimes or would you let them go ahead?
Now move back in time to the dawn of the 20th century. As usual, the world is full of bad people and bad ideas, but two doctrines are especially lethal - Communism and Nazism. Because you've read their maifestos and have maneuvered in time, you know what is going to happen. Within their first three decades, these dictatorial, intolerant, and violent dogmas will lead directly to the annihilation of over fifty million people and to the indoctrination of a billion more. Given the opportunity, would you exterminate a few thousand aspiring Communists and Nazis to save the lives of the fifty million their regimes butchered? Would you do it to save a billion people from being forced into submission - forced to live in civil, religious, intellectual, and economic poverty? Would you do it to keep them from growing strong enough to kill you, your neighbors, and your children? What is the most moral, just, and compassionate choice?
Perhaps now you know why Yahweh ordered his people to slay the practitioners of a doctrine virtually identical to Islam. But don't get carried away. His last command to kill was 3,200 years ago. His command wasn't open ended. It was directed at a specific group of people, in a specific time and specific place. Apart from self defense, that's the end of the story.
So, when you hear Muslims defend their violent doctrine, saying that the Bible is equally warlike, you'll know the truth. Yahweh asked once. He identified the reason and the people. The order wasn't open ended, either. And, even if it were, there are no Canaanites to kick around. What's more, the Jews were expressly forbidden from taking a spoil. When the walls of Jericho fell, its storehouses remained filled. Children were not sent off into slavery; women were not raped as if they were booty. The Judeo-Christian scriptures have to be corrupted to inspire such horrible acts.
Allah, by contrast, gave Muslims hundreds of commands to kill. His orders were open-ended - surviving throughout time. And his intended victims were many: those who worshiped the one true God, many gods, or no gods at all. Allah especially hated Christians and Jews, ordering Muslims to fight them until they were "wiped out to the last." This is fundamental Islam - the very core of Muhammad's message.
That said, there is one Bible verse that appears to be both open ended and to encourage violence. As such, Psalm 149 became the rallying cry for the Crusades. In actuality it is prophetic, speaking of what's called the "to be forgotten," and of the return of the Messiah. In the fashion of Hebrew poetry, the Psalm presents a series of nine couplets - pairs of phrases that say the same thing in different words.
Let's review them. The first couplet speaks prophetically of the new millennium, of the church and saints: "Praise Yahweh. Sing unto Yahweh a fresh song, and sing his praise in the congregation of saints." The second celebrates the end of the to be forgotten, and the Messiah's return: "Let Israel rejoice in Yahweh who made them, let the Children of Israel be joyful in their King." Then, "Let them praise Yahweh's character in dance, let them sing praises unto Yahweh with the tambourine and harp." Speaking of the Messiah's gift of salvation, the next reports: "For Yahweh is pleased with his people; He will glorify the meek with salvation." The fifth couplet reveals: "Let the saints be joyful in this glorious honor; let them shout from their resting place." At Christ's return the souls of the saints will be raised from their graves.
A Catholic Pope misinterpreted the sixth verse to advance his personal agenda: "Let the exaltation of the Almighty be in their mouths, and a two-edged sword be in their open hand." A two-edged sword is the Bible's metaphor for divine judgment or rendering a godly verdict. That's why it's in an "open hand," which could not wield an instrument of violence. Its pair in the couplet references the exalted words of the Almighty, suggesting an oral verdict, not a slashing weapon. The seventh pair proclaims: "To advance vengeance upon the nations and punishment upon the people." This speaks to the final judgment of Yahweh on those who attack Israel during World War III, midway through the to be forgotten. Interesting, in that the predicted Magog war against Israel is perpetrated entirely by Islamic states.
This is followed by: "To yoke kings together, bringing them forth, and those who are severe will be tied with iron twine." In other words, following God's verdict, the purveyors of false doctrines, those who are severe, will be restrained. The final couplet reveals: "To advance the verdict upon them, prescribed by the splendor of his saints. Praise Yahweh." The entire Psalm is prophetic, speaking of the final judgment of nations following the Messiah's return in power and glory. There is no command to fight or kill anyone.
Since Islam's principle defense is to claim that Christians have performed no better, especially during the Crusades, I want to bring your attention to two incredibly important historical facts. First, Pope Benedict IV: he reigned in 1033 A.D., precisely 1,000 years after Yahshua's resurrection. Benedict became like Muhammad, demonic, fixated on the occult, demented, delirious, and lascivious. The Church became corrupt, fixated on rituals, suppression, and money. With power-hungry men at the helm, it splintered, ultimately causing cleric and king to send men off on fool-hearty crusades.
The second historical fact is that the Crusaders weren't Christians. They couldn't have been. Four centuries had passed since the last sermon was given in a language common to the people of Europe. The first Bible to be printed in the vulgar tongue, John Wycliffe's, wouldn't find quill for another four centuries. To be a "Christian" one must know the Messiah. He could not have been known to the men who fought. They carried his symbols, nothing more.
The 3rd fact that I would like to add myself is that the crusades only took place because it was in retaliation to Islamic conquests (who else)...Islam spread far and wide in its first 100 years, unfortunately this was not because Islam is a beautiful and peaceful religion, it was because it inspired Arabs (for the first time in recorded history) to pick up swords, march out of their lands in order to raid, murder and destroy all the infidel lands. _________________ Islam is troublesome....Read this book www.prophetofdoom.net |
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Marley

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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: JUST MY OPINION |
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Please don't single out Islam as the reason for the worlds problems.
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Nobody is naive enough to single out Islam as the reason for the world's problems.
However, nobody can deny the negative effect Islam has had on the world since the days of Mohammed of Arabia by opressing women, encouraging its followers to kill kaffirs for a reward of 72 virgin women, forbidding music, spreading Islam by the sword, forcing kaffirs to pay a 'tax' if they didn't convert to Islam, handing out punishments of death if you're an apostate, etc.
The list goes on... |
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Rebel
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| I find this site very amusing, and I am surprised that people actually believe the garbage Ali Sina preaches. Mr Sina clearly is preaching hate towards Muslims, for what reason I have no idea. He is entitled to his opinions as is everyone but to fill peoples head with rubbish like this is a whole different matter. I believe anyone that preaches hate towards another has bad intentions at heart, that includes Muslim as well. Not only does he take Islam out of context he isolates Islam as the only religion to commit crimes. Not once does he compare it to other religions which have committed far more atrocities. |
Mr Sina or the site is not preaching hate.They're pointing out what's written in the quran and sunnah.When I first read the stuff posted here I thought it was made up, a bunch of baloney.
I went to pro-muslim sites, ones with authentic books of hadith.The stuff is certainly NOT made up.On many occasions muslims are instructed even encouraged to kill and enslave people from other religions.I've talked to muslims and they have no reservations, not the slightest regrets about looting and murdering kafirs, atheists, apostates, and making their females their persoanl sex toys.Allah allows them such pleasures and has made it halal, so who am I to question
If muslims don't want the hate then they should do away with their own hatred for others first.This site or Mr. Sina would hardly have any credibility if what they say was not backed up and encouraged in the manuals of destruction that muslims hold dear and sacred. |
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Jam

Joined: 27 Jun 2008 Posts: 110 Location: In kafirland, Alhamdulillah!
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I've talked to muslims and they have no reservations, not the slightest regrets about looting and murdering kafirs, atheists, apostates, and making their females their persoanl sex toys.Allah allows them such pleasures and has made it halal, so who am I to question
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Yup, that's what I've found too. I asked my slightly religious female friend about the sex slaves and she referred me to a guy who had much knowledge about Islam. I put to him the question, is it true that sex slaves are allowed from wars etc? He bluntly told me yes, and that if there were to be a war in the future that rule would once more come into practise. I told my friend his response and she didn't say a word about how disgusting this was, but rather that she was glad it hadn't been her being taken as a slave. It's just so sad what Islam does to otherwise kind and intelligent individuals. Their hearts and minds just switch off. _________________ Sickening morals:
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/33597
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/20910
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/14022
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/1018
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/1493
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/111881 |
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Ram
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: JUST MY OPINION |
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| I find this site very amusing, and I am surprised that people actually believe the garbage Ali Sina preaches. Mr Sina clearly is preaching hate towards Muslims, for what reason I have no idea. He is entitled to his opinions as is everyone but to fill peoples head with rubbish like this is a whole different matter. I believe anyone that preaches hate towards another has bad intentions at heart, that includes Muslim as well. Not only does he take Islam out of context he isolates Islam as the only religion to commit crimes. Not once does he compare it to other religions which have committed far more atrocities. |
You cannot take Islam out of context. Islamic scriptures are very clear. Muslims say that the Qu'ran is perfect. The Qu'ran means what it says. If you think that the Qu'ran can be taken out of context then the Qu'ran is not the word of God. The Qu'ran clearly states that nonbelievers must be killed if they do not accept Islam. How can you take this statement out of context? In my opinion, Ali Sina does condemn Islam but he does not preach hatred against Muslims. Islam is an ideology. Many idelogies are evil and Islam is one of them. Facsism and Communism are other evil ideologies. As a matter of fact Islam is synthesis of Communsim and Facsism; Islam contains elements of both. Fascism preaches that white blue eyed blond hair people are superior to Jews, Blacks or Chinese etc. Similarly, Islam preaches that Muslims are superior to Jews, Christians or Hindus etc. Communism is totalitarian ideology so is Islam. Islam combines the worst elements of both - the Communism and Fascsism. Muslims have killed more than 80 million Hindus in India in the name of Allah as well as millions of Jews and Christians. Christians might have killed 10 million at the most. These historical facts are very well documented. Muslims have killed more people than Fascists and Communists combined. Buddhists, Sikhs and Janis have never killed anyone in the name of religion.
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| Lets take Christianity for example, what does Mr Sina have to say about the Crusades? A whole civilisation was destroyed by Christian crusaders in newly discovered America. What comparison does Mr Sina have for Islam? Crusaders raped and looted an entire population and this is well recorded History, it's fact! What facts can Mr Sina throw up against Islam on the same scale as the Crusaders? None! But Mr Sina and his followers will make excuses and etc.... |
You are partially right about the crusades. But the crusades were carried out in response to aggression committed by Muslims. If Hindus had launched crusades against Muslims, there would not be Pakistan or Bangladesh today; Afghanistan and Iran would have been non-Muslim countries. It is the Crusades which saved Europe from Islamic terrorism. More killings and rapes were committed by Muslims than the crusaders.
Crusades took place hundreds of years ago, the crusades are ancient history but Islamic jihad is ongoing in the 21st century. Today, Christians are not committing any acts of terrorism but the Islamic terrorism continues even today. Thousands of non-Muslims have been slaughtered by Muslim terrorists in last ten years; the killings are being carried out by Muslims as I write this post. The proof of Islamic terrorism is all around you. You have to be blind not to see it.
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| What about Jesus, who according to Christians was crucified by jews and still isn't recognised as a prophet! |
Jesus is the Messiah (The Prophet) of Christians.
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| Islam does not state to be a new religion but a continuation of Judaism and Christianity. Prophet Muhammad is a messenger just like Jesus and Moses before him. If Islam is incorrect and wrong then I am sorry so must Christianity and Judaism be wrong also. Islam's principles and laws are based on those two religions. Yet Mr Sina singles out Islam. |
We have no problem with Muslims because they believe that Muhammad is the Prophet. However, we have problem with Islam because Islam is religion of hate. I do not care if Judaism, Christianity and Islam are true or false. Christians and Jews are not blowing up the innocent people but Muslims are. You should preach to Muslims about love and tolerance.
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| Muslims don't hate on Judaism and Christianity because they see it as part of their religion, now I'm referring to learned Muslims. The average person with any given faith is open to interpretation from people such as Mr Sina and therefore you will get Muslims and people of other faiths whom will preach hate. Though in general Muslims will not hate and kill people of other faiths unless their way of life is threatened as is the case in the world today. I'm sorry but unless I'm deaf dumb and blind Muslims aren't doing the killing in the world today, Muslims are being killed! Now I sense some of you idiots laughing at that sentence. Do the History. At the peak of the Islamic world Muslims allowed people of other faiths to practise for a payable tax. Which is fair considering Christians and Jews slaughtered all Muslims out right. |
You are a true Muslim. You are lying through your teeth. I like to see the historical evidence that Jews killed Muslims. This is utter fabrication. Yes Christians killed Muslims. But Jews have never killed Christians or Muslims. Please stop lying. On the other hand you are a Muslim and not ashamed to speak lies. I think you are either dumb or utterly ignorant or a lier.
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This is the biggest lie in the history of mankind. Show us the documented proof that Jews killed Muslims.
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| How can a whole empire be built on the foundation that a madman has laid? I say madman because that is what Mr Sina makes Muhammad out to be. An empire consists of a flourishing economy, trade. Co-existing with people of their own kind and foreigner's. Laws and politics, science and engineering. Now in the Islamic world all these things existed. Do some research on the Moors or the Ottomans and the Mughals A people i believe have been excluded out of history though a very successful peoples in all aspects. How can a peadophile, a murderer, rapist, thief achieve or ignite the spark that created all this? Please Mr Sina explain that to me. |
Ali Sina and many others have written extensively abou this.
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| I went to visit the British museum a short while ago, they had a whole floor dedicated to Islamic art and culture. A guide told us about what Muslims have achieved and what they have contributed to humanity. This is an educated guide with no doubt a degree, told me about Islam. Now why should I listen to what Mr Sina has to say, and not The British Museum? The museum displayed Islamic artefacts and scripture right before me and they were comparable to those of other empires such as China. How can a bloodthirsty cult display such talent and importance to the advancement of humanity? Simple answer, Islam is not a danger to the world today as it never was. Mr Sina is attempting to brainwash you and he's doing a very bad job at it unless you are completely dumb. |
There is nothing like Islamic culture. There is no Christian or Hindu culture. There is Arabic culture, Persian or Indian culture. What you call Islamic culture is a myth. All that culture existed before the advent of Islam.
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| Mr Bush staged the threat of terrorism as is Mr Sina doing right now. The world isn't doomed because of Muslims. Two world wars, as I recall the Muslims had nothing to do with that. Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Were? I didn't see any. Seizing oil and looting now I know theirs plenty of that going on. Everything that Mr Sina claimed Muhammad has done to expand/conquer. Mr Bush is doing right now to Muslims. People need to open their eyes and stop listening to others. Switch the television off and get your backside on to the Internet. Research, all the evidence is there for you. Type Islam into wikipedia (a non-muslim online encyclopaedia) you will be amazed to find what Muslims have contributed to society. This is a good site, shows the real horrors that American soldiers are committing in the Muslim lands. http://mindprod.com/politics/israel.html |
Bush is not doing anything to Muslims. It is Muslims who are killing Muslims. More Muslims are being killed by other Muslims than by the US army. One hundred Muslims are being killed by other Muslims for one Muslim killed by Isreal or the US army. Muslims are killing people all over the world everyday in the name of Muhammad.
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| Everything I have expressed here is my opinion. I maybe wrong, maybe right but it's an opinion brought about by growing up in Britain. I know the faults Islam has or rather Muslims create, but religion in general is difficult, it all comes down to a fight over which one is right. Please don't single out Islam as the reason for the worlds problems. |
Islam is the biggest cause of what is wrong with Muslims and the world. Islam is very simple religion to understand. There is no ambuguity in its doctrine. It is true that Islam is misunderstood - the not very intelligent simple minded dhimmi apologists of Islam are responsible for it, and so called moderate Muslims are responsible for the deception that Islam means peace. Some people are easily fooled but not all.
Islam contains the seeds of its own destruction. Islam is built on lies and deception. Believe me, the truth will prevail in the end. Lie all you want but eventually the people (including Muslims) will see the light and Islam will perish. The day is coming my friend.
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| Islam is here to stay, it's been around for a few thousand years I don't think Mr Sina and his clowns will get rid of it any time soon. Whatever you decide please make an educated informed decision. Don't listen to people, YOU learn the facts and decide for yourself. If then you still feel the same then you have my respect. To those who still feel Bush is doing the right thing then there's no hope for you. |
Forget about Bush. Bush is only one person. We have the facts, so do you. Look at the facts. |
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piggy
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| Yes Islam conquered many countries but what did they establish afterwards? |
This ..
and this ......
and this .........
and this .....
So don't talk sh!t you pathetic IDIOT!
You make me want to PUKE!
Go here sh!t-for-brains, and see more of the legacy of the rapist, paedophile, murderous, faker (aka allah's apostle)
but wait! .............. there's more .
and this .........
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/20.htm |
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| Yes Islam conquered many countries but what did they establish afterwards? |
They destroyed the cultures and replaced it with the arab one, up to the names of the people. Turned temples and churches into mosques. Not to forget the mafia-system called dhimmitude.
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| Jesus was handed over to the Romans by the Jews to be crucified. As I understand the Romans where hesitant but Jews insisted. This is no secret, it's there on the Internet or books for you to read. I'll be honest I got it from Mel Gibsons movie the passion of christ |
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| Judaism- Jesus was persecuted because of them. |
Jesus was a Jew, mohammedan.
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| But you'll miss out the part that Jews are occupying Muslim lands |
Jews aren't occupying mohammedan lands, mohammedans are occupying kafir lands! The land of mohammedans is Arabia and nothing more.
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| Christianity- love thy neighbour? That's the funniest of all statements. I am not even going to respond to that, you only have to look at what America is doing and there's your answer. |
FYI, the US is a secular country.
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| May I remind you of two world wars which Muslims have had nothing to do with. A couple of towers crumble and everyone loses the plot! |
Mohammedans are at war with kafirs since 1400 years! They murdered more than in both worldwars combined. Alone in India, mohammedans murdered about 100 million people.
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| Islam has never been a threat. |
Excuse me? Have you ever read the Koran, i.e. Sura 9, which commands mohammedans to "slay the infidels wherever you find them"?
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| Muslims are under threat and they are retaliating which you define as terrorism. |
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Brendalee
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So, slick horsey, you would maintain that Muslims had nothing to do with the two world wars. Tsk, tsk! Such ignorance.
Are you proud to display your ignorance that the Ottoman empire threw itself into the first world war on the side of the Germans? How did you imagine that the Ottomans were defeated, and thrown out of the Middle East? How did you imagine that the French and British mandates came about and all the new nation states were formed there?
Are you proud to display your ignorance that Muslims fought on both sides in the second world war? That the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a great ally of Hitler and formed two Muslim SS DIVISIONS for Hitler and was head-to-head plotting with Hitler to kill the Jews in Muslim countries?
You fly your ignorance like a banner, as if you should be proud of it. How you expect anyone to take your drivel seriously after exposing your ignorance so loudly is beyond my comprehension. |
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