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I have been very much influenced by your writings however i came across this today which is very confusing . these are some stated miricles of muhammad. i believed in islam for 15 years. i never left even when doubts began to come up mainly out of fear of hell. i was raised catholic and am now 44 . i have explored relgion trying to find the "truth" since i was 14!!!! im discouraged and i feel like im going to hell because i havent found convincing evidence yet. What am i supposed to tell my boys? i feel like its an endless battle. people tell me jesus is god and if you dont believe you go to hell,muslims say youll go to hell if you believe he is god!! i am very distressed . i would appreciate your opinion on this article on muhammads miricles. the reason i felt comfortable leaving islam was because you wrote he performed no miricles. it was like a light bulb went off- i was so releaved to feel i wouldnt go to hell and it was a false religion. now i see this!! please your input and thougts are needed.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 55:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Once in the lifetime of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) the people were afflicted with drought (famine). While the Prophet was delivering the Khutba on a Friday, a Bedouin stood up and said, "O, Allah's Apostle! Our possessions are being destroyed and the children are hungry; Please invoke Allah (for rain)". So the Prophet raised his hands. At that time there was not a trace of cloud in the sky. By Him in Whose Hands my soul is as soon as he lowered his hands, clouds gathered like mountains, and before he got down from the pulpit, I saw the rain falling on the beard of the Prophet. It rained that day, the next day, the third day, the fourth day till the next Friday. The same Bedouin or another man stood up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! The houses have collapsed, our possessions and livestock have been drowned; Please invoke Allah (to protect us)". So the Prophet I raised both his hands and said, "O Allah! Round about us and not on us". So, in whatever direction he pointed with his hands, the clouds dispersed and cleared away, and Medina's (sky) became clear as a hole in between the clouds. The valley of Qanat remained flooded, for one month, none came from outside but talked about the abundant rain.
From ‘Ibn Kathirs The Life of the Prophet Muhammad, Al-sira Al-Nabawiyya, volume 2’ :
HOW THE PROPHET (SAAS) REPLACED QATADA’S EYE:
Al-Bayhaqi stated, in the Dalail (The Signs), “Abu Sad al-Malini informed us quoting Abu Ahmed b. Adi, quoting Abu Yala, quoting Yahya al-Himmant, quoting Abd al-Aziz b. Sulayman b. al-Ghasil, from Asim b. Umar b. Qatada, from his father, from his grandfather Qatada b. al-Numan, that his eye was wounded at Badr and that its pupil came down on his cheekbone. They were about to slice it off, but asked the Messenger of God (SAAS) who said they should not do this. He then said a prayer for him, covering his cheek with his palm. And later you could not tell which of his eyes had been struck!”
According to one account, this became the better eye.
An account came down to us from the Commander of the Believers, Umar b. Abd al- Aziz that when he was told this account by Asim b. Umar b. Qatada, he also recited:
“I am the son of him on whose cheek his eye descended,
which was replaced so well by the hand of the Chosen-One.”
Upon hearing this, Umar b. Abd al-Aziz, God bless him, quoted very appropriately the verse of Umayya b. Abd al-Salt of Ibn Dhu Yazin,
“These fine qualities are not like two bowls with milk
merely whitening the water that soon becomes urine.” (Pg 298)
Section: Concerning the Splitting of the Moon in the time of the Prophet (SAAS)
God did provide the Messenger of God (SAAS) with a sign to prove the veracity of the guidance and religion of truth he brought, and that was at the time of his pointing (to the moon).
God Almighty spoke the following in his noble book, “The hour has drawn near and the moon has split asunder. And if they see a sign they turn away, saying, ‘Just more trickery!’ They call it deceit and follow their fancies, while all things are pre-determined.” (surat al-Qamar, LIV, v.1-3)
Muslims are agreed that this did occur in the time of the Messenger of God (SAAS), traditions with complete lines of transmissions, through numerous paths, provide decisive proof for those who examine it and comprehend it.
…….That is related from Anas b. Malik, Jubayr b. Mutim, Hudhayfa, Abd Allah b. Abbas, Abd Allah b. Umar, and Abd Allah b. Masud, God be pleased with all.
Regarding the hadith of Anas, Imam Ahmad stated, “Abd al-Raziq related to us that Mamar related to him, from Qatada, from Anas b. Malik, who said, ‘ The people of Mecca asked the prophet (SAAS) for a sign, And so the moon over Mecca was split twice. And he spoke the words, “ The house has drawn near and the moon has split asunder”” (surat al-Qamar, LIV, v-1)
And Muslim related this, from Muhammad b. Rafi from from Abd al-Razzaq.
This is one of the texts known as the mursalat al-sahaba. And it is plain that he received it from a large mass of the Companions, or from the Prophet (SAAS), or from everyone.
Both al-Bukhari and Muslim related this hadith on a path through Shayban. In his line of transmission al-Bukhari added Said b. Abu Urba. Muslim added Shuba to his. All three (sic) of them drew from Qatada, from Anas. The tradition states that the people of Mecca asked the Messenger of God (SAAS) to show them a sign, He showed them the moon in two parts, so that they could see Mt. Hira between them both.
……. The Hafiz Abu Nuaym stated, “Sulayman b. Ahmad related to us, quoting Bakr b. Suhayl, quoting Abd al-Ghani b. Said, quoting Musa b. Abd al-Rahman, from Ibn Jurayj, from Ata, from Ibn Abbas- also, it came from Muqatil, from al- Dahhak, from Ibn Abbas- with reference to God’s words, ‘The hour has drawn near and the moon has been split asunder’, as follows, ‘The polytheists gathered around the Messenger of God (SAAS); they included al-Walid b. al-Mughira, Abu Jahl b. Hisham, al-As b. Wail, al-As b. Hisham, al-Aswad b. Abd Yaghuth, al-Aswad b. Muttalib b. Asad b. Abd al-Uzza, Zama b. al-Aswad and al-Nadr b. al-Harith, along with many other such men.
“They said to the Prophet (SAAS), “If you are telling the truth, then split the moon for us into two parts, one half over Mt. Abu Qubays, the other over Mt. Quayquan. The Prophet (SAAS) asked them, “If I did so, would you believe?” “Yes, we would,” they replied. It was a night of full moon, and so he asked God the Almighty and Glorious to grant him what they requested. That evening the moon did have one half removed and placed over Mt. Abu Abu Qubays, the other being above Mt. Quayquan, while the Messenger of God (SAAS) called out, “O Abu Salama b. Abd al-Asad, and al-Aqram b. al-Aqram, be a witness (to this event).”
…..The Hafiz Abu al-Qasim al- Tabarni said, “Ahmad b. al-Amr al-Razzaz related to us, quoting Muhammad b. Yahya al-Qital, quoting Muhammad b. Bakr quoting Ibn Jurayj quoting Amr b. Dinar, from Ikrima, from Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘ In the time of the Messenger of God (SAAS), the moon was eclipsed and people said, “The moon is bewitched!” And so the words were revealed, “The hour has drawn near and the moon has split asunder. And if they see a sign they turn away saying, “Just more trickery!”’”(surat al-Qamar, LIV, v. 1-3).
This has a fine chain of authorities; it states that the moon was eclipsed that night; perhaps its splitting occurred on the night of its eclipse and this is why what happened to it was hidden from most of the earths inhabitants. However, this was in fact witnessed in parts of the world. It is said that in some parts of India that became a point dating, and that a building was constructed that night which was dated by the night the moon was split. (Pg 76-79)
A Miraculous event:
Section: Concerning the isra, the night journey, of the Messenger of God (SAAS) from Mecca to Jerusalem, his ascent from there to heaven and the signs he saw there.
We will give here the gist of the words of Ibn Ishaq, God bless him. Having recounted the earlier sections, he went on, “Then the Messenger of God (SAAS) was taken by night from the masjid-al haram to the masjid al-aqsa, the latter being the holy temple of Aelia. By then Islam had spread in Mecca into Quraysh and all the Arab tribes.”
He continued, “Concerning the night journey of the Messenger of God (SAAS), I learned what follows from a hadith that came down from Ibn Musud, Abu Said, Aisha, Muawiya, Umm Hani, daughter of Abu Talib, God bless them all, and al-Hasan b. Abu al-Hasan, Ibn Hisham al-Zuhri, Qatada and other scholars. Individually that combines in this account.
“The night journey of the Messenger of God (SAAS) was filled with trials and tribulations and (instances) of God’s power and authority; it provides a lesson for men of intelligence, a guidance, a mercy and an affirmation for those with faith and belief. It was certainly an act of God.
“He carried him on his journey as and how He wished, to show him those of His signs He desired. He thus surveyed some of the Might of God, His will, power and authority by which he accomplishes His purposes.
“Abd Allah b. Masud would say, as I have been informed, the Messenger of God (SAAS), was brought al-Buraq, that being the name of a mount on which previous prophets were carried; its stride was such that it could place its hooves as far as it could see. He was borne away on it.
“His companion (Gabriel) then took him off to see signs between heaven and earth. Eventually he reached Jerusalem, where he found Abraham, Moses and Jesus, in a company of prophets assembled for him. He led them in prayer. “Then he was brought three vessels, containing milk, wine and water. He said that he drank the vessel of milk and was told by Gabriel, ‘You have been given guidance, and so has your nation.’”
…..Ibn Ishaq related, quoting Umm Hani as his source, that she said, “It was from nowhere but my home that the Messenger of God (SAAS) made his night journey. He slept that night after having made the final evening prayer. When it was just before dawn he woke up and when it was morning we prayed together and he said, ‘O Umm Hani, last evening I prayed with you in this valley, then I went to Jerusalem and prayed there. And now here I am having said the morning prayer with you, as you see.’
“He then arose to leave, but I took hold of the hem of his cloak and said, ‘O Messenger of God, do not make that statement to the people; they will surely disbelieve you and do you harm.’
“But he replied, ‘By God, I will certainly tell it to them!’ And he did tell them and they did disbelieve.”
Ibn Ishaq went on (and the Prophet (SAAS) told the sceptical, tr.) “And the proof of this is that I passed by the caravan of such-and-such a tribe in such-and-such a valley, and the sound of (al-buraq) startled them and so one of their camels ran away. I led them to it, being then on my way to al-Sham. Then I continued on until I reached Dajanan, where I passed a caravan of such-and-such tribe. I found the people asleep. They had a vessel with water in it that they had covered it with something. I took off the cover and drank the water and replaced its cover. And the proof of this is that their caravan is now making its way down from the pass at al-Tanim al-Bayda. Leading it is an ash-coloured camel on which are two sacks, one of which is black, the other black and white.
“On hearing this, people hurried to the pass. The first camel, which was as he described to them, was insufficient proof for them, so they asked about the vessel and the camel, and those in the caravan did tell them just as the Prophet (SAAS) had recounted.”
Yunus b. bukayr related, from Asbat, from Ismail al-Suddi, that the sun had almost set before that caravan arrived and so he prayed to God, Almighty and Glorious is He, who slowed it down until they came, just as he had described it to them.
He stated, “And the sun was never slowed down for anyone except on that day for him, and also for Yusha (Joshua) b. Nun.
Al-Bayhaqi related this account. ( Pg 62-64)
So as we can see, the prophet Muhammad performed several miracles, and also went through a miraculous event when he was taken from Mecca to Jerusalem, where he saw all the other prophets and was taken into heaven.
So the claim that the prophet Muhammad had no miracles is a lie.
Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.
Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) section.
Islam and the Noble Quran - Questions and Answers.
Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible.
Rebuttals to Sam Shamoun's Articles section.
Sami Zaatari's Rebuttals section.
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Hello Terry (Name changed)
Any Muslim will tell you that if there is a contradiction between the Quran and a hadith, the Quran should be taken as valid and that hadith is false. Please click on this link and see for yourself how many times Muhammad denied being able to perform miracles.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/miracles_of_Mo.htm
As per Quran we know that any hadith that attributes miracles to Muhammad is false. There are also hadiths that confirm Muhammad did not perform any miracles.
Bukahri Volume 6, Book 61, Number 504:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Every Prophet was given miracles because of which people believed, but what I have been given, is Divine Inspiration which Allah has revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will outnumber the followers of the other Prophets on the Day of Resurrection."
The same hadith is repeated in Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 379:
Therefore it is clear that Muhammad did not perform any miracles and all miracles attributed to him are false.
Muhammad was unable to heal people. Those hadiths that claim he healed people are all forgeries. He himself was afflicted with tremendous pains and all he did to alleviate his pains was cupping that we now know does not work.
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 584:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
(The Prophet said), "Healing is in three things: A gulp of honey, cupping, and branding with fire (cauterizing)." But I forbid my followers to use (cauterization) branding with fire."
As we now know none of these things can heal.
Muslim Book 010, Number 3830: says that Muhammad got himself cupped. Why he would resort to cupping, something that now is proven not work, if he had healing power?
As for splitting the Moon, this is an obvious lie. Isn’t the Moon in Mecca the same Moon that we see everywhere in the world? Then how is it that only the Meccans saw this miracles while such a portentous thing has not been witnessed and recorded in any other part of the world? Various nations have recorded many important events. Even the eclipses of the Sun and the Moon which are recurrent events are not missed. And yet no nation has any record mentioning the splitting of Moon.
Note that the verses of the Quran and hadith do not claim that this so called miracle was performed by Muhammad. They simply state that people saw the Moon in two sides of the mount Hira and Muhammad said this is a miracle. Assuming this story is not a lie, as many of Muhammad’s claims, this must have been an optical illusion. I found on the net a similar tale from two people who say they saw two moons in the sky.
http://blog.syracuse.com/strangecny/2008/01/two_moons_spotted_over_syracus.html
These observers, however, are wiser than Muhammad and have tried to explain the phenomenon in rational way. Our ignorant prophet pretender, assumed that the Moon had actually split and that it was a miracle. This only shows that this man was an idiot with zero understanding and intellect.
The story of Muhammad riding a winged donkey to heaven is a hallucination. See my refutation here. http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/masjidalaqsa.htm
I have explained this point in more detail in my book, where I talks about the Psychobiography of Muhammad.
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have you read this on "answering-christianity" web site? this was disturbing to me how do you defend this?what is your anwer here to this commentary in regards to muhammad and miracles?--
miracle may not be an assessment if a person is authentic or not since they were performed by loads of people in many religions like Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam. Similarly, how can one verify a person, a genuine, if he is performing miracles? Therefore, miracle is not a test indeed for a person to be labeled as genuine. If it would be the case then David Blain and Chris Angel are the best candidates to be regarded as “Prophets” of present time. However, they are not.
We Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) performed many miracles. However, we do not boast about them since the only verification we can provide are from the Holy Scriptures upon which people like Ali Sina do not have reliance. The only living miracle we boast about is the Holy Quran which is from Allah. And indeed, Quran is not “ACCORDING TO” Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), likewise Bible. It is definitely a miracle of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him); however in the sense, that Allah has actually performed His miracle through Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).
Christianity and Islam are the two major religions in the world and they both have their beliefs in miracles as they are undoubtedly mentioned in our Holy Books. And from some where in the dark, populace like Ali Sina roll up alongside and start disseminating in opposition to miracles. Isn’t it fooling enough that Ali Sina is negating something on “NO EVIDENCE” in hand. Let him produce the proof if he is authentic. Prove me miracles do not exist.
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Muslims say a lot of darn things but this is the darnst thing I have heard. They want me to prove that their prophet did not perform miracles? Is this a logical argument? I say that My grandfather split the Sun and he also rode a horse to the 9th heaven, two story higher than Muhammad was admitted. Now I want them to prove me wrong.
This foolish argument is a very simple logical fallacy called shifting the burden of proof. The burden of proof is on the person who makes a positive claim. In this case the Muslims who claim Muhammad performed miracles should prove it. It is not up to me to prove that he did not perform miracles. Nonetheless I have already written an article showing that Muhammad himself has said that he has could not perform miracles and that his only miracle is the Quran.
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Well friend, greetings.
May be if you could join this forum, we could discuss whether miracles are possible or not and for what purpose.
This world of ours is a natural world in sense of its existence as well as its function. There is no evidence of any supernatural action as far as it is possible for us to know.
People of all religions have been inventing silly ideas, useless terms and lies to back them up that do not stand the scrutiny.
On these basis they have been destroying humanity for a very long time. It is time that we rose above all this nonsense and faced the facts. Childish dependency on baseless ideas for our peace and security is not a beneficial thing for us to do rather that shows our abdication of our responsibities to ourselves and others.
Let us rely more and more on self evident facts, proven facts and probables facts rather than faith where it is not actually needed.
Faith should only come in where we are utterly in the dark.
It is utter nonsense to think that some sort of god created this world for us to believe in him yet he provided us no proof whatsoever to give us reason to do so.
So my friend please start being factual and rational so that you could help yourself out of this confusion and get on with your life rather than worrying about going to hell that does not even exist, for there is no proof for it whatsoever.
Good luck and
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| We Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) performed many miracles. However, we do not boast about them since the only verification we can provide are from the Holy Scriptures upon which people like Ali Sina do not have reliance. The only living miracle we boast about is the Holy Quran which is from Allah. And indeed, Quran is not “ACCORDING TO” Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), likewise Bible. It is definitely a miracle of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him); however in the sense, that Allah has actually performed His miracle through Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). |
Who says the KKKoran has no "ACCORDING TO's" ???? It has 2 "ACCORDING TO's" According to Mr. PissBUH he got it from an angel and the angel got it from Allah. These two could not be seen by even his closest companion.
The KKKoran is never a miracle. It is a Hate Manual which is haphazardly arranged, with no proper beginning and ending, with stories repeated here and there, and worst of all some verses contradicts the other. It has to be read in context of 7th Century happenings in Arabia. Allah conveniently and promptly reveal verses whenever Mr. PissBUH needed it. Allah replacing redundant verses with better ones!!! 
What kind of a miracle is the book which says that bees eat fruits and that honey comes from it's bellies????
What kind of a miracle is the book which 90% of believers don't even know how to read?
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Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 55:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Once in the lifetime of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) the people were afflicted with drought (famine). While the Prophet was delivering the Khutba on a Friday, a Bedouin stood up and said, "O, Allah's Apostle! Our possessions are being destroyed and the children are hungry; Please invoke Allah (for rain)". So the Prophet raised his hands. At that time there was not a trace of cloud in the sky. By Him in Whose Hands my soul is as soon as he lowered his hands, clouds gathered like mountains, and before he got down from the pulpit, I saw the rain falling on the beard of the Prophet. It rained that day, the next day, the third day, the fourth day till the next Friday. The same Bedouin or another man stood up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! The houses have collapsed, our possessions and livestock have been drowned; Please invoke Allah (to protect us)". So the Prophet I raised both his hands and said, "O Allah! Round about us and not on us". So, in whatever direction he pointed with his hands, the clouds dispersed and cleared away, and Medina's (sky) became clear as a hole in between the clouds. The valley of Qanat remained flooded, for one month, none came from outside but talked about the abundant rain.
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the above 'miracle' is just simply RIDICULOUS.
how can anyone in his right mind see that as a miracle?
Allah punishes the people with drought such that children went hungry and possessions were destroyed. When Muhammad asked Allah to send rain, Allah sent so much rain that houses collasped, posssessions were destroyed and livestocks drowned. the people then have to beg for the rain to stop.
Allah have no mind of his own (common sense)?
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Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 55:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Once in the lifetime of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) the people were afflicted with drought (famine). While the Prophet was delivering the Khutba on a Friday, a Bedouin stood up and said, "O, Allah's Apostle! Our possessions are being destroyed and the children are hungry; Please invoke Allah (for rain)". So the Prophet raised his hands. At that time there was not a trace of cloud in the sky. By Him in Whose Hands my soul is as soon as he lowered his hands, clouds gathered like mountains, and before he got down from the pulpit, I saw the rain falling on the beard of the Prophet. It rained that day, the next day, the third day, the fourth day till the next Friday. The same Bedouin or another man stood up and said, "O Allah's Apostle! The houses have collapsed, our possessions and livestock have been drowned; Please invoke Allah (to protect us)". So the Prophet I raised both his hands and said, "O Allah! Round about us and not on us". So, in whatever direction he pointed with his hands, the clouds dispersed and cleared away, and Medina's (sky) became clear as a hole in between the clouds. The valley of Qanat remained flooded, for one month, none came from outside but talked about the abundant rain.
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the above 'miracle' is just simply RIDICULOUS.
how can anyone in his right mind see that as a miracle?
Allah punishes the people with drought such that children went hungry and possessions were destroyed. When Muhammad asked Allah to send rain, Allah sent so much rain that houses collasped, posssessions were destroyed and livestocks drowned. the people then have to beg for the rain to stop.
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yeah...that one is a riot.
the miracle of weather...unpredictable.. just like that "allah" character.
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| We Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) performed many miracles. However, we do not boast about them since the only verification we can provide are from the Holy Scriptures upon which people like Ali Sina do not have reliance. The only living miracle we boast about is the Holy Quran which is from Allah. And indeed, Quran is not “ACCORDING TO” Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), likewise Bible. It is definitely a miracle of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him); however in the sense, that Allah has actually performed His miracle through Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). |
Who says the KKKoran has no "ACCORDING TO's" ???? It has 2 "ACCORDING TO's" According to Mr. PissBUH he got it from an angel and the angel got it from Allah. These two could not be seen by even his closest companion.
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