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scaredguy
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| We have to treat muslims the way they treat ex-muslims. We meet islam's / muslims' ruthlessness with our tolerance and mildness. Hence muslims will never learn to be decent with us. They call us weaklings and laugh over our tolerance. |
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Dan-Cannon
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According to some Islam experts in Holland, sections of the letter were 'literally' lifted from an Arab-language HAMAS website.
Also the governments announced measures to combat terrorism.
The vice-prime minister has already officially spoken of a War on religious extremism in Holland.
In contrary to the past, Muslims whom in the future are proven to have conducted violent crimes may lose their passports (if they have dual passports) and be sent packing.
It seems that we are finally starting to take it seriously.
But i have still to see what happens after the first courageous individual openly blasts Islam after this week, and how everyone will respond to that.
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marky
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| There shall be no mercy for the unjust, only the sword raised at them. No discussion, no demonstrations, no parades, no petitions; merely DEATH shall separate the Truth from the LIE. |
I agree completely! If or when we agree that Islam must be destroyed then it will be just like this. These terrorists are so hostile and contentious that death is the best thing for them really.
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scaredguy
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"In the name of Allah the kind, the merciful."
So begins a letter by a typical brutal muslim assassin who kills a defenceless unarmed man.
That "merciful" allah allowed this happen (or ordered this to happen?) - what do the muslims have to say about that? |
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Leia
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Dan-Cannon
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That "merciful" allah allowed this happen (or ordered this to happen?) - what do the muslims have to say about that? |
In the letter the killer speaks about "intellectual terrorism".
See?
That's what extremist muslims have to say.
We 'terrorise' them constantly with our intellect.
We should stop using our intellect and accept their religious fascism without questioning.
We 'terrorise' them by thinking and speaking, and they 'terrorise' us with knives and guns.
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boz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Open letter by a terrorist |
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This is a pretty lousy attempt at Jew bashing if I ever saw one. It looks like he got his Talmud quotes from one of those idiotic "Talmud Exposed" web sites (google for it).
It's a very common tactic of Anti-Semites. I see this all the time.
I found some refutations here:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/Response1.html
and here:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html
Although the translations are little different, you can tell they are referring to the same verses. The numbers are the same.
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How do you feel about the fact that Van Aartsen (leader of the VVD) subscribes to an ideology where non-Jews are considered as non-humans?
Baba Mezie 114a-114b: Only Jews are people ("Only you are called people"). Also see Kerlthoth 6b under subtitle ("Oil of anointing") and Barakath 56a, where gentile (non-Jews) females are called animals ("female-donkeys")
Yebamoth 92a: All Gentile children are animals.
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A refutation here:
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RESPONSE
Apparently a deliberate mistranslation. The passage deals with the technical rules of corpse-impurity which, according to the author of this text, apply to Jews and not to gentiles. In this connection Ezekiel 34:31 is cited: "And ye My sheep [referring to Israel], the sheep of My pasture, are _men [Hebrew: "adam"]_, and I am your God, saith the Lord God." From a careful midrashic reading of this Biblical verse, Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai deduced "Only "ye" [i.e., Israel, not other nations] are designated "adam," in the sense that only Jewish corpses and graves generate impurity according to Numbers 19:14: "This is the law: when a _man ['adam']_ dieth in a tent, every one that cometh into the tent...shall be unclean seven days..." The passage is legal and exegetical, not theological. If anything, it seems to put Jews on a lower footing than non-Jews. Typically, the words "but beasts" were added on by whoever put this list together. They do not appear in the original. From Usenet message
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And as for the female-donkey thing:
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and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals ("she-asses").
RESPONSE (1)
Let's start off earlier up Berachot 58a. It says that anyone who sees a non-Jewish wise man should bless G-d for giving His wisdom to all his creatures (not just Jews). Anyone who sees a non-Jewish king should bless G-d for giving His glory to all his creatures (not just Jews). Someone should run to see a king, whether Jewish or non-Jewish. These are not misinterpreted quotes by individual Rabbis, this is what Judaism believes, as it was brought down in Jewish law and can be found in almost any prayerbook.
Having said that, Berachot 58a also records one individual sage (Rabbi Shila) referring to an ancient Egyptian woman as a she-ass. It does NOT generalise to Gentile women in the least, and was probably a reaction to the suffering the Jews had undergone at the hands of the ancient Egyptians.
Avraham Hampel
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How do you feel about the fact that a mayor is leading Amsterdam, whom subscribes to an ideology where Jews can lie to non-Jews?
Baba Kamma 113a: Jews may lie ("listen") to mislead a Gentile.
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Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
RESPONSE (1)
This is one of the most obvious pieces of out-of-context blather it has ever been my pleasure to refute. The context is evading a thief. Yes, you are permitted to lie to a robber --- in particular a crooked tax collector.
Further down the same page, it not only says that robbing gentiles is prohibited, it even discusses the derivation of the prohibition.
Here, we have gone beyond going out of context and have entered the realm of deliberate falsification.
RESPONSE (2)
Refers to whether a Jew may deceive a Roman tax collector, IIRC (note that Romans were the occupying force at that time, literally playing the role of the Sheriff of Nottingham).
From Usenet message
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How do you feel about the fact that you are part of a government that supports the state with an ideology that proposes genocide?
Sofarim 15, line 10 (Minor Tarcctates): These are the words by rabbi Simom ben Yohai: Tod shebe goyyim herog ("Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed").
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I haven't been able to find anything on this, at least not in English. Most modern Jews do not follow the tenents of a 2nd century rabbi like this anyway, if they have even heard of him.
I have nothing to gain by defending the Talmud, but it's worth pointing out this lowlife's attempt at deception and hate mongering. |
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Humanist
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It sure proves the distance they, the Muslim killers, will go to find justification. Most of the letter made little sense to me because I am not aware of most of the stuff he referenced.
I don't know why he just write a little note like "Die you infidel, we will get Ali next". Would have saved ink and still got the message across.
Hopefully he will get a swift trial and maybe a family member can kill him on the way to court.
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Dan-Cannon
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| I don't know why he just write a little note like "Die you infidel, we will get Ali next". Would have saved ink and still got the message across. |
Actually he also carried a 'goodbye' note with him (he expected to be killed by the police, but they shot him in the leg so he couldn't martyr himself)
The goodbye note was a 'roses are red, violets are blue' type of poem, incredibly infantile.
Experts say the difference in style and quality between the open letter and the goodbye letter was so great that they suspect either the goodbye note or the open letter has been made by someone else.
The open letter was filled with spelling errors, even though the killer was highly educated. The references on the open letter supposedly mostly came from websites in a sort of copy/paste kind of thing. And Hirsi Ali's name was constantly misspelled as HirsHi Ali.
So they suspect some other member(s) of this terrorist group made the open letter.
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Dan-Cannon
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Similar open letter lifted from the internet, aimed at Dutch politician Geert Wilders.
The groups behind the open letter found on the body of Theo Van Gogh is also behind this letter.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5318
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Hasan
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:17 am Post subject: Letter from Nazi |
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What this letter mainly reveals is that is comes not from the mind of a Muslim but from an anti-semite fascist.
This aligns him squarely with Al Q (formely known as the Muslim Brotherhood) initially set up by the Nazis in Egypt and Croatia, and subsequently run from Saudi Arabia (the real place that needs invading!)
This ideology is not Islamic (or is as Islamic as Nazism was Christian),
but is better called Arabian Fascism. Of course its not just Arabian but has connections in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan (even India) as well as the Far East. More surprisingly it also works closely with Neo-Nazis in Europe through Croatia. Some European Neo-Nazis have even become 'Islamic' in solidarity!
True Islam in contrast is a peace loving religion ('to kill one human being is to kill all mankind') and is incompatable with what is sometimes called 'Islamism', but is actually fascism. It is a far more civilised religion than Fundamentalist Christianity or Fundamentalist Judaism for instance, and more tolerant than most secular ideologies and crypto-religions such as Marxism and Humanism. It would be a mistake to confuse it with archaic tribal customs, or heretical beliefs such as Wahhabism/Talibanism, or its misuse by corrupt Caliphs in the past.
In contrast the West stigmatises Islam and plays into their hands, they want to be seen as Muslims, but are really infidels. Nazis in the West go along with this and publish anti Muslim tracts and websites (perhaps like this one) to stir up ethnic conflict.
The whole thing is based on a covert understanding between 'Islamists' and Neo-Nazis to stir up conflict. And the Neo-Cons also agitate this too in order to bolster the fake 'War on Terror' and Clash of 'Civilisations' (the new money spinning Cold War).
Islam needs to stand up against Arab Fascism and Al Q, just as Christians need to oppose Bush and the Neo-Cons and Jews need to oppose Zionism.
Only then will this 'Axis of Evil' be defeated.
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Humanist
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Letter from Nazi |
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What this letter mainly reveals is that is comes not from the mind of a Muslim but from an anti-semite fascist.
This aligns him squarely with Al Q (formely known as the Muslim Brotherhood) initially set up by the Nazis in Egypt and Croatia, and subsequently run from Saudi Arabia (the real place that needs invading!)
This ideology is not Islamic (or is as Islamic as Nazism was Christian),
but is better called Arabian Fascism. Of course its not just Arabian but has connections in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan (even India) as well as the Far East. More surprisingly it also works closely with Neo-Nazis in Europe through Croatia. Some European Neo-Nazis have even become 'Islamic' in solidarity!
True Islam in contrast is a peace loving religion ('to kill one human being is to kill all mankind') and is incompatable with what is sometimes called 'Islamism', but is actually fascism. It is a far more civilised religion than Fundamentalist Christianity or Fundamentalist Judaism for instance, and more tolerant than most secular ideologies and crypto-religions such as Marxism and Humanism. It would be a mistake to confuse it with archaic tribal customs, or heretical beliefs such as Wahhabism/Talibanism, or its misuse by corrupt Caliphs in the past.
In contrast the West stigmatises Islam and plays into their hands, they want to be seen as Muslims, but are really infidels. Nazis in the West go along with this and publish anti Muslim tracts and websites (perhaps like this one) to stir up ethnic conflict.
The whole thing is based on a covert understanding between 'Islamists' and Neo-Nazis to stir up conflict. And the Neo-Cons also agitate this too in order to bolster the fake 'War on Terror' and Clash of 'Civilisations' (the new money spinning Cold War).
Islam needs to stand up against Arab Fascism and Al Q, just as Christians need to oppose Bush and the Neo-Cons and Jews need to oppose Zionism.
Only then will this 'Axis of Evil' be defeated.
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Not that I am not intelligent, but please speak ENGLISH. We Americans are sharp, but we do not understand all the crap you put forth.
For the sake of ALLAH, please speak ENGLISH.
Can you please translate what you just wrote? HELP! 
Please Hasan, I need a translation!
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IoshkaFutz
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That's one helluva big conspiracy theory you've come up with... So the neo-nazis and the Arabian Fascists (set up by western puppeteers) are in cahoots in the Philipines, Thailand, Sudan, Egypt, Madrid, London, Rome, Milan, France, USA, Canada, Algeria... Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Marocco... Ex Yugoslavia, Malta, Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Afganistan, Russia...
It's amazing how only Muslims fall victim to such enormous, global conspiracies... consistently, all over the place.
Muslims never do anything evil... they just have this uncanny knack for being "set up" by others.
You know, Hasan, even if that were true, and it's not by a long shot, it would prove incomparable stupidity. Could it be that Islam is too peaceful?
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silent_rage
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| Thanks Dan. This is a very old thread. |
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silent_rage
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| Target stores are stocking Infidel. I picked up a copy. |
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