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anna
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 Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:58 am Post subject: ISHMAEL |
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Ishamael is defined as 'a difficult man, a man who behaved like a wild horse throughout his life and quarelled with everyone untill he died'. 
Muhammed thought therefore  'I follow Ishmael' - and also Muhammed's followers fight and quarrel with everyone who isn't a Mohammedan.
PROVE that those Islam Arabs didn't even understand the O.T. is that they chose to CHANGE (  ) the words of the O.T. didn't understand that the O.T. FORBIDS 'CHANGING ONE WORD/ONE SENTENCE OF THIS HOLY BOOK'. 
It means that the Quran SINS against the very instructions of YHW - which means that the Quran is FALSE and invented by those Arabs.
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http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-arabs-descendants-of-ishmael.htm
The Arabs’ claim to the land of Israel rest entirely on three false assumptions:
All Arabs are the descendants of Abraham through Ishmael.
Ishmael and his descendants were included in the covenant God made with Abraham.
Since the Abrahamic convenant included the land of Israel, the Arabs have a legitimate claim to it.
Ten Historical Facts refute these Arab claims:
According to the Torah, when Abraham left Ur of the Chaldees, he went West to what is now called Israel (Gen. 12 ff.). He became a dweller in tents in that land. It was in Israel that God made a covenant with him for the land in which he was living at that time. It was in Israel that he fathered Isaac, Ishmael, and many other sons and daughters. Isaac was the only son of Abraham chosen by God to be the heir of the covenant. Abraham took Isaac to Mt. Moriah to be offered up as a sacrifice to God.
The Torah is contradicted by Qur’an at nearly every point. According to Surah 2:119-121, Abraham and Ishmael did not dwell in tents in Israel but in the city of Mecca in Arabia. Together they rebuilt the Kabah and placed the black stone in the wall. It was Abraham who started the tradition of an annual pilgrimage to Mecca, throwing stones at the devil, etc. Abraham took Ishmael (not Isaac) to nearby Mt. Mina to offer as a sacrifice to God.
Ishmael’s twelve sons were named Nebaioth, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. (Gen. 12:11-16) They intermarried with the local population in North Arabia and produced several nomadic tribes know as the "Ishmaelites."
It was prophesied in the Torah that Ishmael and his family would "live to the East of all his brothers." (Gen. 16:12) "And they settled from Havilah to Shur which is east of Egypt as one goes toward Assyria." (Gen 25:1
This broad area is the desert section East of Egypt in Northern Arabia toward the kingdom of the Assyrians.
The Ishmaelites are mentioned as a distinct tribe in the Assyrian records. They later intermarried with and were absorbed by the Midianites and other local tribes. In Gen. 37:25-28; 39:1, the Ishmaelites are called the Midianites and in Judges 8:22-24 cf. 7:1f, the Midianites are called the Ishmaelites. The identification cannot be made any stronger.
Arabia was already populated by the descendants of Cush and Shem long before Abraham or Ishmael were born (Gen. 10:7). Their cities and temples have been well documented by archeologists.
If all the Arab people descended from Ishmael as Muhammad claimed, where did all the original Arabs go? What happened to them?
Who did Ishmael marry if the Arabs did not already exist?
If Arabia was unpopulated, who built Mecca? Since he lived there, obviously it existed before he was born.
The facts speak for themselves. The Arab people existed before, during, and after Ishmael moved started roaming the wilderness of North Arabia.
The descendants of Ishmael were scattered in Northern Arabia from the wilderness of Shur to the ancient city of Havilah. They were absorbed by the local tribes such as the Midianites (Gen. 37:25-28; 39:1; Judges 8:24).
There is no historical or archeological evidence that Ishmael went south to Mecca and became the "Father" of the Arab race. Some modern Arab scholars admit that before Muhammad, Qahtan was said to be the "Father" of the Arab people, not Ishmael.
The Abrahamic Covenant was given only to Isaac and to his descendants. Ishmael and the other sons of Abraham were explicitly excluded by God from having any part of the covenant made with Abraham. (Gen. 18:18-21)
Therefore the descendants of Ishmael and the other sons of Abraham do not have any claim to the land of Israel because they are not included in the covenant God made with Abraham. Only the Jews have any claim to the land of Israel.
The Islamic Claim to Palestine because they are descendants of Ishmael:
Muslims like to claim that Islam gave them the right to claim the land of Israel as their own. This claim rests upon two false assumptions:
All Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael;
Muhammad went to Jerusalem.
Three Historical Facts that refute these Islamic claims:
The first assumption has already been proven false. The Arab people are not all the descendants of Ishmael and hence they are not the heirs of the Patriarchs, the prophets, the Scriptures or the land of Israel.
The claim that Muhammad went to Jerusalem is false. According to the Qur’an and the Hadith, Muhammad had a dream in the middle of the night in which he traveled through the sky, visited seven heavens, met great people like Jesus, and visited the Jerusalem. Since this was only a dream, he was never actually in Jerusalem. The Mosque on the temple site in Jerusalem is a hoax built on the lie that Muhammad stood on the site.
Nowhere in the Qur’an does it state that Ishmael is the progenitor of the Arab race. Since it is not taught in the Qur’an, it cannot be a true Islamic belief.
Conclusion
The Arab people are not the children of Ishmael. Even if they were, they would still have no claim to Israel because Ishmael was excluded by God Himself from having any part in the covenant made with Abraham. Isaac was the only heir of the Abrahamic covenant. Thus the Arabs as a people have no claim to the land of Israel.
The Muslims have no claim to the land of Israel either. Muhammad never went to Jerusalem except in a dream. The only ones with a spiritual and biblical claim to the land of Israel are the descendants of Isaac, the Jews."
Other references:
The Encyclopedia of Religion, Vol. 7, pg. 296 where the connection between the Midianites and the Ishmaelites is noted.
The Shorter Encyclopedia of Islam, pgs. 178-179.
A Popular Dictionary of Islam, p. 127. |
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monasjazz
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dear anna ...the slaves of Iblis and satan.. according Koranic Scriptures
that is your knowledge about Islamic and just enjoy with it ..
it does not make sense to me ..
you just seem look like as slaves of Iblis/satan in moslem eyes ..
and you women actually are deficient ..
thats why there are so many women will burn in Hell hereafter...
againts Islam ( Koranic Sciptures ) mean that you are one of fellowship of Iblis and satan ..
all moslem since Adam .. againts to Iblis/satan ..
they all try to kill this iblis/satan..to not influence human being
so ... they will killing this iblis /satan whenever they find it ...
so ..if you wanna safe your life ..
please stand far away from this Iblis/satan or you are will beheading/killed and destroyed by the real moslem who was againts to Iblis/satan ...
becarefull with your life ..dear ..
we know that you will die as like as human being before you ..
but you must understand that the death have been running to find you ..
how quickly the Death Angel come to you ..
I don't know..
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Monasjazz
Regrettably your eyes have been blinded by Islam's propaganda as the Quran CLEARLY sins (!!!) against the very instructions of the Abrahamic GOD = YHW.
'ALLAH' MAKES MISTAKES in the Quran - hOW COME?
Why THE DEVIL'S SURA'S were not incorporated in the Quran is NOT surprising. 
The good Angel Gabriel of the O.T. and N.T. turns into a DEVIL OF AN ANGEL in the Quran = DJIBRIEL = SAITAN - a warmongering/despicable 'angel' AND NEVER EVER CAN BE THE O.T. & N.T. SWEET ANGEL GABRIEL.
The Quran LIES against and about YHW the TRUE ABRAHAMIC GOD of the O.T.! 
HELL WILL BE ISLAM's PUNISHMENT!
IBLIS SPEAKING:
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and you women actually are deficient ..
thats why there are so many women will burn in Hell hereafter... |
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Koranic ..
Christians will be burned in the Fire. 72
Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 73
Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined?
hehehe ...
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@ Monajazz
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Christians will be burned in the Fire. 72
Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 73
Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined?
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EXACTLY !!!!! the PROOF that 'Allah' is NOT GOD!
GOD doesn't need to be so small-minded to stoop to derriding other religions and threathen the believers therein!
NEVER EVER! 
Your 'Allah' by his own admittance shows that he CANNOT BE GOD!
Islam's Quran is mainly STOLEN PROPERTY - twisted to serve Islam ends. 
SHAME ON ISLAM!
Muhammed is the FALSE PROPHET, the collaborator with Saitan, who couldn't desist the evil of the world (waging wars/power of that Caliphate/too many women in his bed...) as foretold in the N.T.:[b]"the False Prophet who, Gog and Magog. will destroy the world through violence' = Jihad! [/b]
That you want to believe that a 'religion' founded by a cruel mass-murderer and pedophile CAN be 'from GOD' is very strange indeed. |
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brainout
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Everything Satanic has seven main characteristics to advertise satanic authorship, thus the one buying the satanic thing has no excuse. Islam meets all seven characteristics in spades. I can't pretend it doesn't, anymore. This is a hard thing to admit.
There are a total of seven characteristics I've found in demon-sponsored stuff -- as distinct from human-only invention. These characteristics are in the Mothman thingy (which really happened in 1967, a mass hallucination, probably demon-induced), some UFO/ghost stuff, Bible mistranslation, or any fake holy book. Summarizing from a longer site I wrote on this topic (here), briefly below:
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1. Some verse/doctrine/concept in BIBLE is satirized in a very pointed way. Thus you are mocked for not knowing the Bible and getting the joke.
2. The satire always plays on Greco-Roman pantheonic culture with emphasis on both sex, emotionality, and above all (in writing) a studied ambiguity like the Delphic Oracles. Of course, the standard 'religion' throughout history is some variant of this model, and "Greco-Roman" is the morphing.
3. The character of God and the prescribed worship of Him is always portrayed in a silly, Benny-Hill (or Three Stooges) slapstick manner, and then called 'holy'. Idea that if you don't behave stupidly, you're unfaithful.
4. The satire always mocks those who believe in #3's prescriptions, especially in the wordplay of the holy book. God is mocked, his alleged faithful of the past are mocked, and the ones believing in the holy book's claims are mocked. Real God wouldn't author a book like that, obviously.
5. All the above is subtle, all-at-once. You have to know Bible's doctrines and keywords, to 'get' the joke.
6. Strong ANTI-SEMITISM coupled with emotionality is used (i.e., the beauty of the recitation's sound), with appeals to culture, tribe, people, rituals -- to hook you into the tenets. The goal is to wipe out Israel, always. The emotion makes you not notice that. It will also be preoccupied with Christians, but with Jews most of all.
7. The satire always blatantly contradicts common sense. Thus if you believe in the tenet, you are rightly mocked. |
There's a sort of 8th characteristic, which is that the appeals of a satanically-sponsored thing will always be wordsmithed just like Satan does to the Lord in the 3 temptations of Matt4. - 1st Temptation is the idea that doing good for people is better than waiting on God;
- 2nd, cutting out a key phrase in Psalm 91 (re God's Care) to REVERSE ITS MEANING in the quote Satan provides -- from depending on God to taking things into your own hands. Hence REVERSES the meaning. (Yeah, Islam is peace, in paradise there is shade -- but not for YOU!)
- 3rd, that political power is better than the Cross (offer of all the kingdoms of the world).
So where there's a doubt about the seven characteristics being evidenced, you test with the 8th, for the pattern of the 3 temptations. That will clinch it.
So, run the above testing parameters on Islam with respect to a) its tenets, and b) its history. See what you get. Run them on some other faith with the same a) and b) (i.e., Catholicism), see what you get.
Ishmael is key to this whole thing. Were there no Ishmael, there would be no Islam. So anti-semitism, wiping out the Jews, is at the root of it. Again, anna, you hit the nail on the head.
"Islam" means SURRENDER. As in, defeat. There's a Delphic Oracle for ya.
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paraparades
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: Re: ISHMAEL |
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Ishamael is defined as 'a difficult man, a man who behaved like a wild horse throughout his life and quarelled with everyone untill he died'.
Muhammed thought therefore 'I follow Ishmael' - and also Muhammed's followers fight and quarrel with everyone who isn't a Mohammedan.
PROVE that those Islam Arabs didn't even understand the O.T. is that they chose to CHANGE ( ) the words of the O.T. didn't understand that the O.T. FORBIDS 'CHANGING ONE WORD/ONE SENTENCE OF THIS HOLY BOOK'.
It means that the Quran SINS against the very instructions of YHW - which means that the Quran is FALSE and invented by those Arabs.
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http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-arabs-descendants-of-ishmael.htm
The Arabs’ claim to the land of Israel rest entirely on three false assumptions:
All Arabs are the descendants of Abraham through Ishmael.
Ishmael and his descendants were included in the covenant God made with Abraham.
Since the Abrahamic convenant included the land of Israel, the Arabs have a legitimate claim to it.
Ten Historical Facts refute these Arab claims:
According to the Torah, when Abraham left Ur of the Chaldees, he went West to what is now called Israel (Gen. 12 ff.). He became a dweller in tents in that land. It was in Israel that God made a covenant with him for the land in which he was living at that time. It was in Israel that he fathered Isaac, Ishmael, and many other sons and daughters. Isaac was the only son of Abraham chosen by God to be the heir of the covenant. Abraham took Isaac to Mt. Moriah to be offered up as a sacrifice to God.
The Torah is contradicted by Qur’an at nearly every point. According to Surah 2:119-121, Abraham and Ishmael did not dwell in tents in Israel but in the city of Mecca in Arabia. Together they rebuilt the Kabah and placed the black stone in the wall. It was Abraham who started the tradition of an annual pilgrimage to Mecca, throwing stones at the devil, etc. Abraham took Ishmael (not Isaac) to nearby Mt. Mina to offer as a sacrifice to God.
Ishmael’s twelve sons were named Nebaioth, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. (Gen. 12:11-16) They intermarried with the local population in North Arabia and produced several nomadic tribes know as the "Ishmaelites."
It was prophesied in the Torah that Ishmael and his family would "live to the East of all his brothers." (Gen. 16:12) "And they settled from Havilah to Shur which is east of Egypt as one goes toward Assyria." (Gen 25:1
This broad area is the desert section East of Egypt in Northern Arabia toward the kingdom of the Assyrians.
The Ishmaelites are mentioned as a distinct tribe in the Assyrian records. They later intermarried with and were absorbed by the Midianites and other local tribes. In Gen. 37:25-28; 39:1, the Ishmaelites are called the Midianites and in Judges 8:22-24 cf. 7:1f, the Midianites are called the Ishmaelites. The identification cannot be made any stronger.
Arabia was already populated by the descendants of Cush and Shem long before Abraham or Ishmael were born (Gen. 10:7). Their cities and temples have been well documented by archeologists.
If all the Arab people descended from Ishmael as Muhammad claimed, where did all the original Arabs go? What happened to them?
Who did Ishmael marry if the Arabs did not already exist?
If Arabia was unpopulated, who built Mecca? Since he lived there, obviously it existed before he was born.
The facts speak for themselves. The Arab people existed before, during, and after Ishmael moved started roaming the wilderness of North Arabia.
The descendants of Ishmael were scattered in Northern Arabia from the wilderness of Shur to the ancient city of Havilah. They were absorbed by the local tribes such as the Midianites (Gen. 37:25-28; 39:1; Judges 8:24).
There is no historical or archeological evidence that Ishmael went south to Mecca and became the "Father" of the Arab race. Some modern Arab scholars admit that before Muhammad, Qahtan was said to be the "Father" of the Arab people, not Ishmael.
The Abrahamic Covenant was given only to Isaac and to his descendants. Ishmael and the other sons of Abraham were explicitly excluded by God from having any part of the covenant made with Abraham. (Gen. 18:18-21)
Therefore the descendants of Ishmael and the other sons of Abraham do not have any claim to the land of Israel because they are not included in the covenant God made with Abraham. Only the Jews have any claim to the land of Israel.
The Islamic Claim to Palestine because they are descendants of Ishmael:
Muslims like to claim that Islam gave them the right to claim the land of Israel as their own. This claim rests upon two false assumptions:
All Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael;
Muhammad went to Jerusalem.
Three Historical Facts that refute these Islamic claims:
The first assumption has already been proven false. The Arab people are not all the descendants of Ishmael and hence they are not the heirs of the Patriarchs, the prophets, the Scriptures or the land of Israel.
The claim that Muhammad went to Jerusalem is false. According to the Qur’an and the Hadith, Muhammad had a dream in the middle of the night in which he traveled through the sky, visited seven heavens, met great people like Jesus, and visited the Jerusalem. Since this was only a dream, he was never actually in Jerusalem. The Mosque on the temple site in Jerusalem is a hoax built on the lie that Muhammad stood on the site.
Nowhere in the Qur’an does it state that Ishmael is the progenitor of the Arab race. Since it is not taught in the Qur’an, it cannot be a true Islamic belief.
Conclusion
The Arab people are not the children of Ishmael. Even if they were, they would still have no claim to Israel because Ishmael was excluded by God Himself from having any part in the covenant made with Abraham. Isaac was the only heir of the Abrahamic covenant. Thus the Arabs as a people have no claim to the land of Israel.
The Muslims have no claim to the land of Israel either. Muhammad never went to Jerusalem except in a dream. The only ones with a spiritual and biblical claim to the land of Israel are the descendants of Isaac, the Jews."
Other references:
The Encyclopedia of Religion, Vol. 7, pg. 296 where the connection between the Midianites and the Ishmaelites is noted.
The Shorter Encyclopedia of Islam, pgs. 178-179.
A Popular Dictionary of Islam, p. 127. |
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paraparades
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Seven Signature Characteristics of satanic involvement+M |
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Everything Satanic has seven main characteristics to advertise satanic authorship, thus the one buying the satanic thing has no excuse. Islam meets all seven characteristics in spades. I can't pretend it doesn't, anymore. This is a hard thing to admit.
There are a total of seven characteristics I've found in demon-sponsored stuff -- as distinct from human-only invention. These characteristics are in the Mothman thingy (which really happened in 1967, a mass hallucination, probably demon-induced), some UFO/ghost stuff, Bible mistranslation, or any fake holy book. Summarizing from a longer site I wrote on this topic (here), briefly below:
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1. Some verse/doctrine/concept in BIBLE is satirized in a very pointed way. Thus you are mocked for not knowing the Bible and getting the joke.
2. The satire always plays on Greco-Roman pantheonic culture with emphasis on both sex, emotionality, and above all (in writing) a studied ambiguity like the Delphic Oracles. Of course, the standard 'religion' throughout history is some variant of this model, and "Greco-Roman" is the morphing.
3. The character of God and the prescribed worship of Him is always portrayed in a silly, Benny-Hill (or Three Stooges) slapstick manner, and then called 'holy'. Idea that if you don't behave stupidly, you're unfaithful.
4. The satire always mocks those who believe in #3's prescriptions, especially in the wordplay of the holy book. God is mocked, his alleged faithful of the past are mocked, and the ones believing in the holy book's claims are mocked. Real God wouldn't author a book like that, obviously.
5. All the above is subtle, all-at-once. You have to know Bible's doctrines and keywords, to 'get' the joke.
6. Strong ANTI-SEMITISM coupled with emotionality is used (i.e., the beauty of the recitation's sound), with appeals to culture, tribe, people, rituals -- to hook you into the tenets. The goal is to wipe out Israel, always. The emotion makes you not notice that. It will also be preoccupied with Christians, but with Jews most of all.
7. The satire always blatantly contradicts common sense. Thus if you believe in the tenet, you are rightly mocked. |
There's a sort of 8th characteristic, which is that the appeals of a satanically-sponsored thing will always be wordsmithed just like Satan does to the Lord in the 3 temptations of Matt4. - 1st Temptation is the idea that doing good for people is better than waiting on God;
- 2nd, cutting out a key phrase in Psalm 91 (re God's Care) to REVERSE ITS MEANING in the quote Satan provides -- from depending on God to taking things into your own hands. Hence REVERSES the meaning. (Yeah, Islam is peace, in paradise there is shade -- but not for YOU!)
- 3rd, that political power is better than the Cross (offer of all the kingdoms of the world).
So where there's a doubt about the seven characteristics being evidenced, you test with the 8th, for the pattern of the 3 temptations. That will clinch it.
So, run the above testing parameters on Islam with respect to a) its tenets, and b) its history. See what you get. Run them on some other faith with the same a) and b) (i.e., Catholicism), see what you get.
Ishmael is key to this whole thing. Were there no Ishmael, there would be no Islam. So anti-semitism, wiping out the Jews, is at the root of it. Again, anna, you hit the nail on the head.
"Islam" means SURRENDER. As in, defeat. There's a Delphic Oracle for ya. |
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paraparades.....from WHERE was this koran sent???
an imaginary allah lol
never forget that your pedophile did what all pedophiles do and INVENTED a story to cover his inadequacies......his ridiculous story was that this allah pimped an innocent child for him!!!
you know why muslims with intellect and conscience LEAVE islam, even despite the very telling risk to their lives......they can READ and evaluate, and see for themselves of the comical deceit in the koran, but this DECEIT and the "amazing errors" do match up exactly some of the beliefs of people in that era....surprise surprise eh!!!
some truth?....some accuracy?.....and divine lol?????
I so pity people so weak to be sooooo gullible, but sadly this deception has resulted in countless millions of victims of this cult whom were never ever given a choice but to be muslim, let alone have a voice to speak out against the obscenities intentionally inflicted on them by "the hoax" and the slaves !!! |
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paraparades
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paraparades.....from WHERE was this koran sent???
an imaginary allah lol
never forget that your pedophile did what all pedophiles do and INVENTED a story to cover his inadequacies......his ridiculous story was that this allah pimped an innocent child for him!!!
you know why muslims with intellect and conscience LEAVE islam, even despite the very telling risk to their lives......they can READ and evaluate, and see for themselves of the comical deceit in the koran, but this DECEIT and the "amazing errors" do match up exactly some of the beliefs of people in that era....surprise surprise eh!!!
some truth?....some accuracy?.....and divine lol?????
I so pity people so weak to be sooooo gullible, but sadly this deception has resulted in countless millions of victims of this cult whom were never ever given a choice but to be muslim, let alone have a voice to speak out against the obscenities intentionally inflicted on them by "the hoax" and the slaves !!! |
All I know that the New Testament was written by unknown men who copied and copied till they died and other generations o conmen took over and copied on. Funny, they wrote and copied without having any original. The gullible Christian slaves of the church do not understand. I pity them. |
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paraparades.....from WHERE was this koran sent???
an imaginary allah lol
never forget that your pedophile did what all pedophiles do and INVENTED a story to cover his inadequacies......his ridiculous story was that this allah pimped an innocent child for him!!!
you know why muslims with intellect and conscience LEAVE islam, even despite the very telling risk to their lives......they can READ and evaluate, and see for themselves of the comical deceit in the koran, but this DECEIT and the "amazing errors" do match up exactly some of the beliefs of people in that era....surprise surprise eh!!!
some truth?....some accuracy?.....and divine lol?????
I so pity people so weak to be sooooo gullible, but sadly this deception has resulted in countless millions of victims of this cult whom were never ever given a choice but to be muslim, let alone have a voice to speak out against the obscenities intentionally inflicted on them by "the hoax" and the slaves !!! |
All I know that the New Testament was written by unknown men who copied and copied till they died and other generations o conmen took over and copied on. Funny, they wrote and copied without having any original. The gullible Christian slaves of the church do not understand. I pity them. |
You are a fool to think that the New Testament was copied and copied without authencity to verify it.
The fact is that the NT is the most reliable document of ancient history.
http://www.british-israel.ca/Newtes2.htm
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You are the gullible one to actually believe about the NT without investigating with honesty.
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paraparades.....from WHERE was this koran sent???
an imaginary allah lol
never forget that your pedophile did what all pedophiles do and INVENTED a story to cover his inadequacies......his ridiculous story was that this allah pimped an innocent child for him!!!
you know why muslims with intellect and conscience LEAVE islam, even despite the very telling risk to their lives......they can READ and evaluate, and see for themselves of the comical deceit in the koran, but this DECEIT and the "amazing errors" do match up exactly some of the beliefs of people in that era....surprise surprise eh!!!
some truth?....some accuracy?.....and divine lol?????
I so pity people so weak to be sooooo gullible, but sadly this deception has resulted in countless millions of victims of this cult whom were never ever given a choice but to be muslim, let alone have a voice to speak out against the obscenities intentionally inflicted on them by "the hoax" and the slaves !!! |
All I know that the New Testament was written by unknown men who copied and copied till they died and other generations o conmen took over and copied on. Funny, they wrote and copied without having any original. The gullible Christian slaves of the church do not understand. I pity them. |
You are a fool to think that the New Testament was copied and copied without authencity to verify it.
The fact is that the NT is the most reliable document of ancient history.
http://www.british-israel.ca/Newtes2.htm
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| The New Testament is by far the most reliable ancient writing in existence today. There exist today over 24,000 copies (5,000 of them in the original Greek language) of the New Testament (either in whole or in part).1 This should be compared with the fact that only 7 copies presently exist of Plato's Tetralogies.2 Homer's Iliad is in second place behind the New Testament among ancient writings with just 643 copies.3 |
You are the gullible one to actually believe about the NT without investigating with honesty.
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I did that and all I find is: he said this. The jews said that. They said this and he said that. Then he cursed them and sent woes upon them. The disciples look totally dumb and the whole book is incoherent. How can the gullible Chrsitians just believe what so many people said with no proof.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Seven Signature Characteristics of satanic involvement+M |
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| paraparades wrote: |
Question: Who is the father of Anti-Semitism?
Answer: Jesus |
Excuse me? Jesus was a Jew! LOL
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Hello paraparades
Your quote -
I did that and all I find is: he said this. The jews said that. They said this and he said that. Then he cursed them and sent woes upon them. The disciples look totally dumb and the whole book is incoherent. How can the gullible Chrsitians just believe what so many people said with no proof.
It is still more credible than muslims believing that "Allah" told "Gabriel" who told "Muhammad" who told "Scribes" etc.
At least the Christian "isnad" only has human accounts whereas the muslims have mythical and unproven entities in their isnad. Where is the proof?
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Typical hate filled muslim
| paraparades wrote: |
All I know that the New Testament was written by unknown men who copied and copied till they died and other generations o conmen took over and copied on. Funny, they wrote and copied without having any original. The gullible Christian slaves of the church do not understand. I pity them. |
First you had a contention with the NT being as you say 'copied and copied without any original' to which I showed you that no matter how many 'copies of copies' are created there are always the original manuscripts they can be authenticated with.
Read below again about the authencity of the NT:-
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| The New Testament is by far the most reliable ancient writing in existence today. There exist today over 24,000 copies (5,000 of them in the original Greek language) of the New Testament (either in whole or in part).1 This should be compared with the fact that only 7 copies presently exist of Plato's Tetralogies.2 Homer's Iliad is in second place behind the New Testament among ancient writings with just 643 copies.3 |
Now that your strawman has fallen to pieces you are trying to grapple at straws to save your butt?
Your original contention was not with the contents of the Bible but with its transmittion through history. Now that you have been proven wrong, are you trying to throw in a red herring ?
Does this mean that your original contention has been satisfied and that you agree that the copies of the copies can be authenticated with the pelethora of manuscript evidence that is available today?
| paraparades wrote: |
I did that and all I find is: he said this. The jews said that. They said this and he said that. Then he cursed them and sent woes upon them. The disciples look totally dumb and the whole book is incoherent. How can the gullible Chrsitians just believe what so many people said with no proof. |
Are you saying that the only words that have caught your attention in Jesus' message are the woes he sent upon hypocrites?
How hypocritical of you to disregard the entire message of the NT and only pick on the one that actually checks your hypocritical behaviour.
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| whole book is incoherent |
Seriously ! ! ! I hope you have read the mish-mash nonsense called the koran...
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| ..Chrsitians just believe what so many people said with no proof... |
How is this any different from Muslims believing that Mohammed was text messaging with the angel Gabriel, instead of some arab christian monk?
It is hypocritical of you to raise such issues when the whole of Islam is pivoted on the belief in the lies of a conman.
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