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green_eyes
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
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Mine has to be the best,
i asked why there was an apparant gramattical mistake in the quran, and i asked my arab grammer teacher, and i would have been happy if she explained why its not a mistake...
well she was a bit baffled, then she said, oh, its a miracle.. hmm i didnt understand this, so i asked another teacher and she said,
BECAUSE ALLAH IS SO GREAT THAT HE DOESNT NEED TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES OF GRAMMER?!!
what....
on
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face
of
earth
is that?
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hey look, the mountain is so firm, look amazing bird, so many colours, oo, look at that, isnt that unexplainable, okay lets just say allah did it okay? yes miss....(WTF)
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Realist
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Mine has to be the best,
i asked why there was an apparant gramattical mistake in the quran, and i asked my arab grammer teacher, and i would have been happy if she explained why its not a mistake...
well she was a bit baffled, then she said, oh, its a miracle.. hmm i didnt understand this, so i asked another teacher and she said,
BECAUSE ALLAH IS SO GREAT THAT HE DOESNT NEED TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES OF GRAMMER?!!
what....
on
the
face
of
earth
is that? |
Its called the 'allah knows best' cop out and is used when all taqiyya, illogical answers and pathetic excuses have been exhausted.
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infidel_01
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| Realist wrote: |
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Mine has to be the best,
i asked why there was an apparant gramattical mistake in the quran, and i asked my arab grammer teacher, and i would have been happy if she explained why its not a mistake...
well she was a bit baffled, then she said, oh, its a miracle.. hmm i didnt understand this, so i asked another teacher and she said,
BECAUSE ALLAH IS SO GREAT THAT HE DOESNT NEED TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES OF GRAMMER?!!
what....
on
the
face
of
earth
is that? |
Its called the 'allah knows best' cop out and is used when all taqiyya, illogical answers and pathetic excuses have been exhausted. |
So true 
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green_eyes
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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man, whats taqqiyah?
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Truth can defend itself.
hey look, the mountain is so firm, look amazing bird, so many colours, oo, look at that, isnt that unexplainable, okay lets just say allah did it okay? yes miss....(WTF)
Im female....and damn proud of it. |
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Fra-Diavolo
Joined: 30 Jul 2007
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Location: Broccolino, Nuova Pork
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| green_eyes wrote: |
Mine has to be the best,
i asked why there was an apparant gramattical mistake in the quran, and i asked my arab grammer teacher, and i would have been happy if she explained why its not a mistake...
well she was a bit baffled, then she said, oh, its a miracle.. hmm i didnt understand this, so i asked another teacher and she said,
BECAUSE ALLAH IS SO GREAT THAT HE DOESNT NEED TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES OF GRAMMER?!!
what....
on
the
face
of
earth
is that? |
Green eyes I really think that is one of the best if not the best hilarious quote I've read, I bet your green eyes turned red upon receiving such an idiotic answer but as they say, allah knows best.
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green_eyes
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
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Location: why? so you can find me, and then try and save my soul, honestly i have enough problems as it is....
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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I received a new one today...
i asked well.. why is it that all the refernces made to other people are in the same artsy farsty arabic style, i mean all the previous nations couldnt have said the exact same thing in the same style...every nation said the same thing, way to quote allah...
and then the guy just kinda went right past what i said, and started explaining how the rules say that the quran is from allah, and you have to accept everything in it, or you go to hell.. honestly, he didnt even give me a damn answer. i was
And when she gave me that damn answer i was uh, in a religious high, so i accapeted it, and thought wow, another miracle, oh man, shoot me.
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Truth can defend itself.
hey look, the mountain is so firm, look amazing bird, so many colours, oo, look at that, isnt that unexplainable, okay lets just say allah did it okay? yes miss....(WTF)
Im female....and damn proud of it. |
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Khalid Shah
Joined: 20 Nov 2007
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19. Muhammed was the first muslim
20. Jesus and Abraham were muslim |
Buddha was a Muslim too. Hey, why not throw that in there as well for good measure? Couldn't hurt, right?
Probably the most comical claim is where they not only say that Allah sent prophets equally to all nations, but ALL of their original scriptures got lost and the Quran is the only valid or authentic scripture, but also that there were a total of 124,000 sent
Well someone can't be a prophet and hence bring a book if there is no language. So let's see divide 124,000 by 10,000 years (an errantly generous figure), and we get 12.4 prophets per year. But wait, it gets better than that. Remember, they exist for maybe 30 or so years, not just one year. So 12.4 x 30 = 372 So we have an average of 372 prophets all existing at the same time, every year, for 10,000 years (at bear minumum, and I think my figure of 10,000 years was quite generous. WOW !!! I guess prophethood isn't that special after all. |
Well everyone here has non objective beliefs. I cannot prove god objectively, neither can you prove a religion (in the traditional sense of the word) objectively if you could then everyone would believe in it. So my beliefs are no more humorous then your beliefs. Evidentially, subconsciously you're laughing at your ownself.
Islam is submission to God/Allah this is what the word means, Adam even in the Judaic teachings submitted to God/Allah. Islam's core doctrines are submission to god. Everyone agrees Islam means 'submission to god' what did Adam do? he submitted to god.
I believe that any false statement can either be refuted, or be made irrelevant, given infinite amount effort (and wisdom).
But just because I cannot refute it does not mean it's true. I (for one) have limited resources and intelligence. And therefore we never can prove anything without a doubt, therefore it cannot be said we can "find" something irrefutable.
And therefore anything I cannot refute becomes a positive possibility, to be used where applicable.
Islam means submission to god. according to Semitic traditions Adam was the first human on earth, and he was the first human to submit to god. In Arabic anyone who submits to god is called Muslim... Therefore, Adam was a Muslim.
If X can't refute Y's claim, Y expects X to adopt Y's model of truth.
If X holds "That which is not refuted, is true" and "I must accept that which is true", X will therefore deem himself accountable to adopt Y's model of truth.
I would say this is an odd way to arrive at truth, but it very common.
The simplest of all is: "This statement is false".
Logically, analysis of this old gem will always result in a contradiction.
But what's important to remember here is that the contradictions result because of the way we have chosen to define (or interpret...) our terms.
And, more to the point, logic 'says' nothing about 'truth'.
Ever.
It is Validity (alone) that the practice of logic derives.
'Truth', at best, is a function of empirical analysis.
Adam = Muslim (someone who submits to god) = Islam
Adam cannont = Christian (Someone who follows the teachings of Christ) Christ came after Adam how would Adam be following teaching of Christ when Christ did not exist?
All people of the book, who worshiped god prior to the teachings of Jesus are Muslims according to Islamic teachings and will go to heaven. Later who accepted Jesus as a god (such as later Christians) will not go to heaven and are not classed as Muslims. And finally same applies to Mohamed anyone who submits to god, but does not acknowledge the prophets is considered a kafir (none Muslim) and therefor will not go to heaven.
Before the coming of Mohamed it was Ok only to worship in god, and accept the previous prophets such as Adam, Jesus ect. Only as prophets, then you were classed as a Muslim. When Mohammad the message of defining a Muslim was that, 1.) person has to believe in (monotheistic) god 2.) accept all the previous prophet, and accept Mohamed as the final prophet. These are now the two prerequisites in defining someone a Muslim.
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Fra-Diavolo
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19. Muhammed was the first muslim
20. Jesus and Abraham were muslim |
Buddha was a Muslim too. Hey, why not throw that in there as well for good measure? Couldn't hurt, right?
Probably the most comical claim is where they not only say that Allah sent prophets equally to all nations, but ALL of their original scriptures got lost and the Quran is the only valid or authentic scripture, but also that there were a total of 124,000 sent
Well someone can't be a prophet and hence bring a book if there is no language. So let's see divide 124,000 by 10,000 years (an errantly generous figure), and we get 12.4 prophets per year. But wait, it gets better than that. Remember, they exist for maybe 30 or so years, not just one year. So 12.4 x 30 = 372 So we have an average of 372 prophets all existing at the same time, every year, for 10,000 years (at bear minumum, and I think my figure of 10,000 years was quite generous. WOW !!! I guess prophethood isn't that special after all. |
Well everyone here has non objective beliefs. I cannot prove god objectively, neither can you prove a religion (in the traditional sense of the word) objectively if you could then everyone would believe in it. So my beliefs are no more humorous then your beliefs. Evidentially, subconsciously you're laughing at your ownself.
Islam is submission to God/Allah this is what the word means, Adam even in the Judaic teachings submitted to God/Allah. Islam's core doctrines are submission to god. Everyone agrees Islam means 'submission to god' what did Adam do? he submitted to god.
I believe that any false statement can either be refuted, or be made irrelevant, given infinite amount effort (and wisdom).
But just because I cannot refute it does not mean it's true. I (for one) have limited resources and intelligence. And therefore we never can prove anything without a doubt, therefore it cannot be said we can "find" something irrefutable.
And therefore anything I cannot refute becomes a positive possibility, to be used where applicable.
Islam means submission to god. according to Semitic traditions Adam was the first human on earth, and he was the first human to submit to god. In Arabic anyone who submits to god is called Muslim... Therefore, Adam was a Muslim.
If X can't refute Y's claim, Y expects X to adopt Y's model of truth.
If X holds "That which is not refuted, is true" and "I must accept that which is true", X will therefore deem himself accountable to adopt Y's model of truth.
I would say this is an odd way to arrive at truth, but it very common.
The simplest of all is: "This statement is false".
Logically, analysis of this old gem will always result in a contradiction.
But what's important to remember here is that the contradictions result because of the way we have chosen to define (or interpret...) our terms.
And, more to the point, logic 'says' nothing about 'truth'.
Ever.
It is Validity (alone) that the practice of logic derives.
'Truth', at best, is a function of empirical analysis.
Adam = Muslim (someone who submits to god) = Islam
Adam cannont = Christian (Someone who follows the teachings of Christ) Christ came after Adam how would Adam be following teaching of Christ when Christ did not exist?
All people of the book, who worshiped god prior to the teachings of Jesus are Muslims according to Islamic teachings and will go to heaven. Later who accepted Jesus as a god (such as later Christians) will not go to heaven and are not classed as Muslims. And finally same applies to Mohamed anyone who submits to god, but does not acknowledge the prophets is considered a kafir (none Muslim) and therefor will not go to heaven.
Before the coming of Mohamed it was Ok only to worship in god, and accept the previous prophets such as Adam, Jesus ect. Only as prophets, then you were classed as a Muslim. When Mohammad the message of defining a Muslim was that, 1.) person has to believe in (monotheistic) god 2.) accept all the previous prophet, and accept Mohamed as the final prophet. These are now the two prerequisites in defining someone a Muslim. |
Muslims always tell me that the only way to become a muslim one must recite the Shahada, ie 'There's only on god and muhammed is his last prophet" how can Adam be a muslim when muhammed was not even around? reflect!
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ayyaaa_x
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1/ It's more complicated than that
2/ You can't question God
3/ We treat women better than the christians/jews/buddhists/monkeys
4/ Khadija was a proud, successful business woman...
5/ No human can write such a complicated/beautiful piece of text as the Qur'an I prefer shakespeare, actually..
6/ They deserved it
7/ We're victimized
8/ It beats the downs of the Western world[/b]
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<Mark> What's this ffi you keep mentioning?
<ayyaaa> forum for ex muslims.
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green_eyes
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When you say that to become muslim you must say shahada, and how can adamn be muslim... well just read what khalid said. A muslim can exist at any time of history, a muslim is somebody who has submited to allah, therfore if allah sends a prophet and you accept him youre a muslim, in our day and age to be muslim you need to also accept muhammed, im not muslim, but i was, so i understand this pretty well, i dont undertsnad whats so hard to get.
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hey look, the mountain is so firm, look amazing bird, so many colours, oo, look at that, isnt that unexplainable, okay lets just say allah did it okay? yes miss....(WTF)
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ayyaaa_x
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Isn't it obvious?
Adam was a muslim in the non-muslim sense.
Like how dinosaurs were humans in the non-human sense.
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<Mark> What's this ffi you keep mentioning?
<ayyaaa> forum for ex muslims.
<Mark> Ex muslims? That's kinda cool... it's like, ex muslims, ex drug addicts, ex alcoholics... |
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Night side-eclipse
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Location: Earth...it does not belong to Allah.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| Khalid Shah wrote: |
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19. Muhammed was the first muslim
20. Jesus and Abraham were muslim |
Buddha was a Muslim too. Hey, why not throw that in there as well for good measure? Couldn't hurt, right?
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Well everyone here has non objective beliefs. I cannot prove god objectively, neither can you prove a religion (in the traditional sense of the word) objectively if you could then everyone would believe in it. So my beliefs are no more humorous then your beliefs. Evidentially, subconsciously you're laughing at your ownself.
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So, You can't prove Islam "objectively", and you think no religion can be proven. Your solution to this dellima is to follow Islam? I don't see how that works. However, I personally don't have anything against everyone's right to follow a faith. The unfortunate fact is, the majority of people do need satisfying answers to the most fundamental question: What happens after death? So I support their right to have faith in whatever gives them a good reason to live (that doesn't mean that I support religion). The problem is, that's not what Islam is there for. Islam is here to dominate, you know it just as much as I do. I don't find it funny that muslims beleive Adam was muslim. That means that they don't believe in coexistance. If Adam was Muslim, and most of the world is not muslim, that means that most of the globe has gone astray and it means that Islam believes in submission to God from the early begenning of this life, rather than love for god. Islam is not here to give peace, Islam is here to take it away , and exchange it with submission, starting from Adam.
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green_eyes
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They (scientists and intellectual elite) know deep inside but dont want to admit it, because of various reasons such as arrrogance, love of dunya...
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hey look, the mountain is so firm, look amazing bird, so many colours, oo, look at that, isnt that unexplainable, okay lets just say allah did it okay? yes miss....(WTF)
Im female....and damn proud of it. |
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Fra-Diavolo
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This has got to be one of the best, just heard it today from a muslim friend
He said, and I quote: " I'm glad they eliminated that american puppet
Benazir Buttho and i'm sure the CIA assasinated her."
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Night side-eclipse
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Location: Earth...it does not belong to Allah.
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This has got to be one of the best, just heard it today from a muslim friend
He said, and I quote: " I'm glad they eliminated that american puppet
Benazir Buttho and i'm sure the CIA assasinated her."
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lol, what the funk!
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