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brainout
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The real God will always make sense. The Real God authors and insures Freedom, because Truth is not Truth if not Free.
Consequently anything satanic will be silly and tyrannical. Such as, Islam: demonstrated by, certain commenters in the channel.
A satan can love the claim that revelation must triumph over reason, but the God who made our BRAINS, would not. Revelation is made TO Reason, hence Ho Logos The Word of the OT is the Reason for Living, in the New.
And mobots won't get that wordplay, because they don't know the Bible which the Qu'ran enjoined them to learn 21 times.
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Oliver128
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Realist wrote: |
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
| Exactly Mona, we have no other option but to believe, it is not a free ride |
Whoooooooa .... 
Wait a second ... wait a minute ... just wait 'till I catch my breath ...
OK ... OK ...
So now mohammad/allah is in control of EVERYTHING ...
So whether I 'know' it or not I AM doing mohammad/allah's WILL ...
BECAUSE I HAVE NO (FREE) WILL OF MY OWN ...
SO what's mohammad/allah's gripe if I just SAY I don't believe his crapola? ...
I'M ONLY DOING HIS WILL ... OR AM I? ... |
Well according to Mohammedans this is how it works. allah creates Man with the SOLE purpose of worshiping HIM ( Narcissist) however the vast MAJORITY of HIS creations have their minds SEALED by HIM so that they don't believe in HIM (Illogical). HE then condemns this vast MAJORITY to eternal hellfire BECAUSE they don't believe in HIM (Sadistic and Unjust). So there you have it a Narcissistic, Sadistic, Evil, Unjust, Illogical entity creates and condemns the vast MAJORITY of his own creation to hellfire. Religion of Peace don't make me laugh. If Satan had a name it would be allah and 'Old Mo' would be his premier disciple. |
AMEN BROTHER ... well you know what I mean ...
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Apple Pie
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More Koranic evidence that Jesus is God Almighty...
قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدين سبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما
يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم
Qul in kana lilrrahmani waladun faana awwalu alAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawati waal-ardi rabbi alAAarshi AAamma yasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoo wayalAAaboo hatta yulaqoo yawmahumu allathee yooAAadoona wahuwa allathee fee alssama-i ilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemu alAAaleemu
Say: "Indeed on account of the most Merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers' first.” Glory be to the Lord (of) the heavens and the earth, the throne's Lord, from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud, God, and upon the earth, God, and He, the wise, the one who knows. (43.81 – 84)
These ayahs proclaim that the Son is worshiped directly as deity.
They also proclaim that the Son is God, not only upon the earth, but in the Cloud upon which he returns...just as copied from the Holy Bible...
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brainout
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Apple Pie, in 43.81, you seem to be interpreting إن كان (in kana) as "if and it's true" rather than the typical translation of "if and it's not true". Care to explain?
God help me, I'm actually beginning to be able to read the letters! IF that happens, I'll never do my secular work! This is too addictive (lol, yeah, blame something/someone else, like so many Muslims do)...
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Apple Pie
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| brainout wrote: |
Apple Pie, in 43.81, you seem to be interpreting إن كان (in kana) as "if and it's true" rather than the typical translation of "if and it's not true". Care to explain?
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Hi Brainout…
Sure thing….here are the classic definitions, and highlighted is the rational used for the rendering…
إن = “in”
“in” definition:
Particle. Used in various ways: first as a conditional particle, denoting the happening of the second of two events in consequence of the happening of the first, whether the second be immediate or deferred, and whether the condition be affirmation or negative. It has an affirmative meaning, and may generally be rendered verily, or indeed; If; when; not; because. It can be a negative; redundant; conditional.
References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 106 - 108
A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 1, pp. 283 - 285; volume 2, pp. 300 - 301
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar p. 35
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 11
كان = “kana”
“kana” definition:
Perfect tense, 3rd person, masculine singular. Divested of all signification of time, is often used as a copula. It is a complete or attributive verb. It governs its attribute in the accusative. Was; existed, happened; occurred; took place; were; used to; is ever; is become; worthy of.
It comes from the root “kana”, which means he, or it, was; to be, exist, happen, occur, take place, become, be such or so. A verb of the class called incomplete, because, with the agent that it comprises, or to which it relates, it cannot constitute a complete preposition; i.e. non-attributive. It governs its noun, or subject, in the nominative case, and it’s enunciative, or predicate, in the acc. case. Divested of all signification of time, is often used as a copula. As a complete, i.e., attributive verb.
References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, p. 3004
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 500 – 502
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, pp. 128 - 129
Thanks…
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AhmedBahgat
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Here is the conman chicken lies telling us that Kana means He or It
hahahahahahahahaha
keep up the good work in exposing your con ass freak, this is enough for many educated unbelievers to be assured that you are nothing but a conman
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Apple Pie
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MsWesterner
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you are really deluding yourself if you think BMZ can have anyone with a brain and the ability to think for themselves "for breakfast" lol
have you forgotten quite how comically incompetent he was on this forum??? |
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Realist
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you are really deluding yourself if you think BMZ can have anyone with a brain and the ability to think for themselves "for breakfast" lol
have you forgotten quite how comically incompetent he was on this forum??? |
In the wonderful world of Islam anyone who can even write his name is considered an intellectual. Look at how much AhMAD thinks of HIMSELF and he is incapable of putting together a coherent English sentence. Koranic Translator my arse.
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brainout
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Here is the conman chicken lies telling us that Kana means He or It
hahahahahahahahaha
keep up the good work in exposing your con ass freak, this is enough for many educated unbelievers to be assured that you are nothing but a conman |
No, it's the verb TO BE, as Apple Pie explained. 
| Apple Pie wrote: |
كان = “kana”
“kana” definition:
Perfect tense, 3rd person, masculine singular. Divested of all signification of time, is often used as a copula. It is a complete or attributive verb. It governs its attribute in the accusative. Was; existed, happened; occurred; took place; were; used to; is ever; is become; worthy of.
It comes from the root “kana”, which means he, or it, was; to be, exist, happen, occur, take place, become, be such or so. A verb of the class called incomplete, because, with the agent that it comprises, or to which it relates, it cannot constitute a complete preposition; i.e. non-attributive. It governs its noun, or subject, in the nominative case, and it’s enunciative, or predicate, in the acc. case. Divested of all signification of time, is often used as a copula. As a complete, i.e., attributive verb.
References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, p. 3004
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 500 – 502
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, pp. 128 - 129 |
Even I knew that. READ HIS POST, Ahmed. Don't be threatened by all this.
Ahmed, now you prove it's negating. This whole interpretation turns on whether "in" is in the first-class or second-class condition. Which means in English, whether "in" means "IF AND IT'S TRUE", or "if and it's NOT true".
Usually the MOOD and TENSE of the verb (here kana) will tell you which is which. But what is the mood of the verb? I don't see anything to prove it's negating within the verse.
This same question is directed toward any other Muslim who can speak Arabic. This is genuinely a problem verse, because it can be read two ways, one which asserts He is the Son, and another which says the opposite.
Teach us how we know FOR SURE which it is. Thank you. (I'm willing to accept it either way, but I need grammar or something as proof.)
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| brainout wrote: |
| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Here is the conman chicken lies telling us that Kana means He or It
hahahahahahahahaha
keep up the good work in exposing your con ass freak, this is enough for many educated unbelievers to be assured that you are nothing but a conman |
No, it's the verb TO BE, as Apple Pie explained.
| Apple Pie wrote: |
كان = “kana”
“kana” definition:
Perfect tense, 3rd person, masculine singular. Divested of all signification of time, is often used as a copula. It is a complete or attributive verb. It governs its attribute in the accusative. Was; existed, happened; occurred; took place; were; used to; is ever; is become; worthy of.
It comes from the root “kana”, which means he, or it, was; to be, exist, happen, occur, take place, become, be such or so. A verb of the class called incomplete, because, with the agent that it comprises, or to which it relates, it cannot constitute a complete preposition; i.e. non-attributive. It governs its noun, or subject, in the nominative case, and it’s enunciative, or predicate, in the acc. case. Divested of all signification of time, is often used as a copula. As a complete, i.e., attributive verb.
References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, p. 3004
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 500 – 502
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, pp. 128 - 129 |
Even I knew that. READ HIS POST, Ahmed. Don't be threatened by all this.
Ahmed, now you prove it's negating. This whole interpretation turns on whether "in" is in the first-class or second-class condition. Which means in English, whether "in" means "IF AND IT'S TRUE", or "if and it's NOT true".
Usually the MOOD and TENSE of the verb (here kana) will tell you which is which. But what is the mood of the verb? I don't see anything to prove it's negating within the verse.
This same question is directed toward any other Muslim who can speak Arabic. This is genuinely a problem verse, because it can be read two ways, one which asserts He is the Son, and another which says the opposite.
Teach us how we know FOR SURE which it is. Thank you. (I'm willing to accept it either way, but I need grammar or something as proof.) |
when I have time for you, I will teach you that Kana can never mean He or It
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: |
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see all what chicken lies said:
Chicken lies said:
It comes from the root “kana”, which means he, or it, was; to be, exist, happen, occur, take place, become, be such or so.
Ahmed says:
Kana can never mean he, nor it, neither happen nor occur neither take place nor become
here we go boys and girls, you either learn from Professor Ahmed or conman chicken lies
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brainout
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Ahmed, you really CANNOT READ, can you. Twice now -- nay, three times -- we've told you it means... get read now....
TO BE, the verb TO BE TO BE TO BE TO BE
Now I saw that in Lane's dictionary from IslamCity. Same text as Apple Pie posted, BEFORE I ASKED HIM THE QUESTION. I also found all Qu'ran verses with it using Islamcity's transliteration engine. So I did my homework BEFORE I asked the question.
So you'd better do yours. We're not using kaffir sources, either. Can you read now, Ahmed, or must I make it really big again?
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| brainout wrote: |
Ahmed, you really CANNOT READ, can you. Twice now -- nay, three times -- we've told you it means... get read now....
TO BE, the verb TO BE TO BE TO BE TO BE
Now I saw that in Lane's dictionary from Project Rootsearch of Islam City. Same text as Apple Pie posted, BEFORE I ASKED HIM THE QUESTION.
Can you read now, Ahmed, or must I make it really big again? |
Here we go again you time bandit:
Checkin lies said:
It comes from the root “kana”, which means he, or it, was; to be, exist, happen, occur, take place, become, be such or so.
all the underlined words have nothing to do with Kana you fool
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