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When did God create time?
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careperson



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: When did God create time? Reply with quote

Dear theists,
Please clear my doubt.
When did God creat time?
What ever may be your answer, please inform the source of your information, (if it is an author, please inform his/her source too)
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Astantia



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously, he created time at the beginning.

lol
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:15 am    Post subject: I know Reply with quote

My source tells me it was at 4:30 in the morning.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time as "unreal"

In 5th century BC Greece, Antiphon the Sophist, in a fragment preserved from his chief work On Truth held that: "Time is not a reality (hupostasis), but a concept (noêma) or a measure (metron)." Parmenides went further, maintaining that time, motion, and change were illusions, leading to the paradoxes of his follower Zeno.Time as illusion is also a common theme in Buddhist thought,and some modern philosophers have carried on with this theme. J. M. E. McTaggart's 1908 The Unreality of Time, for example, argues that time is unreal.

However, these arguments often center around what it means for something to be "real". Modern physicists generally consider time to be as "real" as space, though others such as Julian Barbour in his The End of Time argue that quantum equations of the universe take their true form when expressed in the timeless configuration spacerealm containing every possible "Now" or momentary configuration of the universe, which he terms 'platonia'.

Linear time

In general, the Judaeo-Christian concept, based on the Bible, is that time is linear, with a beginning, the act of creation by God. The Christian view assumes also an end, the eschaton, expected to happen when Christ returns to earth in the Second Coming to judge the living and the dead. This will be the consummation of the world and time. St Augustine's City of God was the first developed application of this concept to world history. The Christian view is that God and the supernatural world are outside time and exist in eternity. This view relies on interpretation however, for some Jewish and Christian sects believe time may in fact be cyclical. It is also possible to see time as having more than one dimension. In this view, over time the universe branches into multiple alternative universes where different events have occurred

Cyclical time

The dharmic religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, have a concept of a wheel of time, that regards time as cyclical and quantic consisting of repeating ages that happen to every being of the Universe between birth and extinction. In recent years this cyclical vision of time has been embraced by theorists of quantic space-time and systems theory. This view has also not been scientifically verified.

Time in the physical sciences

From the age of Newton up until Einstein's profound reinterpretation of the physical concepts associated with time and space, time was considered to be "absolute" and to flow "equably" (to use the words of Newton) for all observers. The science of classical mechanics is based on this Newtonian idea of time.

Einstein, in his special theory of relativity, postulated the constancy and finiteness of the speed of light for all observers. He showed that this postulate, together with a reasonable definition for what it means for two events to be simultaneous, requires that distances appear compressed and time intervals appear lengthened for events associated with objects in motion relative to an inertial observer.

According to the Abrahmic faiths time started at the creation point and will have an end which is JD. And since God's sits outside time and not bound by its boundaries, the eternity concept can be better conceived.

And since I don't believe in a creator, time to me is nothing but a method to measure duration of events and only existed once it was conceived by our brains, otherwise it would have been just like the tree that fell in the forest and there was no one around to hear it.

Time would have been irrelevant just like sound in the above old saying!


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Astantia



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time is a way to measure things, just as length width and depth measure things. Of course, we exist in the 3rd dimension and move through the fourth, so we perceive time as changing, when in actuality all time is just the 4th dimension in it's entirety, just as a football fields entirety is expressed in one hundred yards.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time is our perception of how the Universe behaves while it follows its own laws and rules. Therefore the creation of time was when the Universe was created whenever that was.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Time was there before any God came into existence.
But
Acharya Rajneesh said ,all started on April 1 , Monday at 000000.1 hrs.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Astantia wrote:
Obviously, he created time at the beginning.

lol

One more doubt,
From where He created space all the entities in it?
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Astantia



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously, he was in Heaven.

Which doesn't exist, so there's no worries about finding it.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

where was he when he created the second dimension? to a 1d guy, up and down is "time" any scientist will tell you that the fth dimension, is just that a DIMENSION, to measure things with, like the other three linear dimensions, try imagining a 2d guy drawing a sphere in his mind and youll see that the reason the fourth dimension not existing as you can percieve it is simple, you cant describe it in a way that by def, is limited.

drop left and right, and replace it with time, now imagine a guy walks forward, youll see a good example of time in a sense you can describe it, a long stick figure that looks like a movie merged to a still.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here I would like to remember a poem tittled "pregnancy"

PREGNANCY

Today is pregnant of
Yesterday’s conception.
And tomorrow, it would reproduce yesterday’s progeny.
Time impregnated,
Delivers its progeny.
Never a time, time was sterile.
Neither was it ever impotent.
Potent time pregnated
Passes from past through the desire for future.
With sterility,
Time ends.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Careperson

a dead shanker or CP doesn't know what space or time is, as space and time are attributes of consciousness or to present it in a different way
they are all coeval

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time is exist when the Sun and moon exist.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked you back do you know when God created the Moon and Sun?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fagihanee wrote:
I asked you back do you know when God created the Moon and Sun?

Our solar system is estimated to have existed for about 4,600 million years, and it wasn't "created" by any god.

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/our_solar_system/formation.html
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