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peoshi
Joined: 17 Nov 2006
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| Ahmed Bahgat wrote: |
| Because they donlt care to understand it |
You don't understand it either,if you did,you would not dismiss someone every time they questioned you on it!
| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
you can't compare apples with mangos
so you can compare a non western country with a western country but not a western country with a religion in a country |
What the hell does that mean,Ahmed? 
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| I found many laws in Australia are truely Islamic and according to the Quran |
Which ones?you being a police informer and all! 
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| before I reply I need you to show me the verse and walk me through it |
So you need a kafir to walk you through Koranic verses?
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| He does NOT have the verse. |
I do...3 of them in fact!
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Chapter One:
Islamic Religious Sources on the Jews - The 'Descendants of Apes and Pigs'
According to Islam, the ancient Jews were turned into animals for transgressing the word of God.[11] This divine punishment is mentioned in the most important sources of Islamic religious law, in both the Koran's recounting of the divine revelation, and in the extremely reliable Hadiths (traditions of the Prophet Muhammad) compiled by the leading ninth-century sages Muslim and Al-Bukhari,[12] which mention also mice, lizards, and other animals in the same context.
The divine punishment of Jews is mentioned in three Koranic verses: "... They are those whom Allah has cast aside and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made some as apes and swine..." (5;60); "...You have surely known the end of those from amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, in consequence of which we condemned them: Be ye like apes, despised" (2;65);[13] and "when, instead of amending, they became more persistent in the pursuit of that which they were forbidden, we condemned them: Be ye as apes, despised" (7:166). |
http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=antisemitism&ID=SR01102
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| A textbook for 8th grade students explains why Jews and Christians were cursed by Allah and turned into apes and pigs.Quoting Surat Al-Maida, Verse 60, the lesson explains that Jews and Christians have sinned by accepting polytheism and therefore incurred Allah's wrath.To punish them, Allah has turned them into apes and pigs |
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The Whole World Should Convert to Islam and Leave Their False Religions Lest Their Fate Will Be Hell
A schoolbook for 5th grade instructs the students: "The religions which people follow on this earth are many, but the only true religion is the religion of Islam.As for the other religions, they are false as mentioned in the Koran (the Sura of Aal 'Umran Verse 85): 'And whoever follows a religion that is not Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the Hereafter he will be of the losers.''The religion of Islam we know from the Koran and the Hadiths about the Prophet. The whole world should convert to Islam and leave its false religions lest their fate will be hell. As mentioned in the Koran (the Sura of Al-Nihal Verse 125): '[I swear] by Him who holds Muhammad's soul in his hand that not one Jew or Christian who had heard me and did not believe in the message that I was sent with shall die without being one of those whose fate is hell.'"
The students are then asked to mark "yes" or "no" to the following questions:
*"The Islamic religion is the road to heaven…"
*"Other religions bestow eternal damnation on their adherent… |
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A schoolbook for the 9th grade on Hadith introduces a famous narration known by the name, "The Promise of the Stone and the Tree."It tells a story about Abu Hurayra, one of the Prophet's companions who quoted the Prophet as saying: "The hour [the Day of Judgment] will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them.A Jew will [then] hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will call upon the Muslim: 'O Muslim, O slave of Allah! there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!' - except for the gharqad tree, for it is one of the trees of the Jews."[27] The Hadith is accompanied by a number of statements:
1. "It is Allah's wisdom that the struggle between Muslims and Jews shall continue until the Day of Judgment."
2. "The Hadithbrings forth the glad tidings about the ultimate victory, with Allah's help, of Muslims over Jews."
3. "The Jews and the Christians are the enemies of the believers.They will not be favorably disposed toward Muslims and it is necessary to be cautious [in dealing with them] ."
The book asks questions for class discussion:
1. "Who will be victorious in the Day of Judgment?"
2. "With what types of weapons should Muslims arm themselves against the Jews?"
3. "Name four factors leading to the victory of Muslims over their enemies." |
http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Area=sr&ID=SR01202
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| "The hour [the Day of Judgment] will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them.A Jew will [then] hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will call upon the Muslim: 'O Muslim, O slave of Allah! there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!' - except for the gharqad tree, for it is one of the trees of the Jews." |
Now rocks and trees are religious?This is being taught in your schools!Are you guys sure you want to defend this korap?
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LadyTex
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
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Location: God Bless Texas!
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| "The hour [the Day of Judgment] will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them.A Jew will [then] hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will call upon the Muslim: 'O Muslim, O slave of Allah! there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!' - except for the gharqad tree, for it is one of the trees of the Jews." |
Whooo hoo I can understand this one also, I would have never thunk it.
I infiltrated the kabaa and are still a christian.
Friendship is that even possible?
Hajirffi?
Does that make me a muslemic christian? Or just one hit by the holy spirit?
Late better go to bed. |
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friendship
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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Location: ABSENT FOR A WEEK, BEST WISHES, M.
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| Friendship is that even possible? |
Lady what is possible?
peoshi wrote:
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So you need a kafir to walk you through Koranic verses?
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friendship wrote:
He does NOT have the verse. |
I do...3 of them in fact! |
So Peoshi kafir has "walked" us through the Quranic verses by using the "islamic" sources. Excellent!
OK you have 3 verses but what do they mean? I have read your previous post but I would like you PEOSHI to comment on the verses as you understand them.
Many Thanks.
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But just to prove a point, M's freedom of action, you are banned for a week. What will you do about that?
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MsWesterner
Joined: 11 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: |
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peoshi....Ahmed talks about Australian laws being islamic lol
Well we do have laws here of course, such as taxation law, criminal law and rights of deserving people to welfare assistance.
But what do we have here in regards to muslim "thinking" and imams preaching from the mosque.......
-they should not pay tax as it is not islamic (except we know tax is very islamic when it to be against the dhimmi)
- they should "cheat" to avoid paying tax, (and cheating is "stealing" from the honest taxpayer....the very person whom these good muslims call immoral)
- they do not regard cheating and stealing from us as any crime at all, but would willingly have a limb amputated from a muslim who cheat another muslim.
- they should further cheat by not only not paying taxes, but by working in "cashy" jobs (often arranged by equally "moral" fellow muslims who own their own businesses and multiple investments and properties) and also "double dipping" and fraudulently claiming welfare....again stealing from us!!!
No wonder muslims clambour over themselves to both get to and stay in the west.......what do their muslim countries provide as in education even, lifestyle, standards of living and housing, and "welfare" for all muslims......oh yes, its like a cancer!!! pervasive!! |
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peoshi
Joined: 17 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| I have read your previous post but I would like you PEOSHI to comment on the verses as you understand them. |
Why?I'm not the one defending it,you are!I understand it to mean pretty much what it says,but I'm sure you have your own "translation" of them,most muslims do! 
| friendship's sig wrote: |
The Msg shud read:Pic deleted by m cos its not permitted in the signature
The current explanation suggests I'd pornographic/violent picture in my sig |
Are you still whining about this?Let it go,already!
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friendship
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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Location: ABSENT FOR A WEEK, BEST WISHES, M.
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Mswesterner:
Immigration can be witnessed in all nations and races. You can not make it into a Muslim or Islamic problem.
There are at least 30,000 Britons and the same number of 30,000 American Civilians working in the Saudi Oil Industry within Saudi Arabia.
That is probably a very liberal estimate.
I would encourage more Muslims to come to the West, make money and get better education. This way they would be in a better position to help their communities. The Muslims face some difficulty integrating into the Western lifestyle but that should not stop them from obeying the law of the land. It would be perfectly Islamic to abide by the Laws of the Land.
Muslims are liable to pay Taxes to NON MUSLIM governments just like the Non Muslims are required to pay taxes to the Muslim Government. I pay taxes to the Non muslim government and have no problem with it.
So stop making it into an Islamic or Muslim problem in your great mind; though you are finding it rather difficult to tell the difference.
People in Europe have been cheating the TAX MAN through VAT Fraud. The fraud counts to Millions of American Dollars. How many of these are Muslims; can you name even one?
Cheating and Stealing is Un-islamic and no self-respecting individual would want to indulge in any crimes.
Many Thanks.
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MsWesterner
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friendship....no one ever suggest than any or all communities are immune from crime, but you missed my point entirely.
that is:
- that good pious muslims continually call non muslims "immoral and filth" yet they dont equate tax and welfare fraud as STEALING
- they are taught and ecouraged to cheat from the "mosques"....and you tell me this isnt islam when these imams are your appointed leaders for goodness sake
- they tell themselves that islamic law is all that matter to them, and I have seen this said so often, and even in relation to the current terror trial......your fellow muslims say even if it is proven what they planned, that does not make them guilty under any islamic law!!!
- they say tax is unislamic...but we know that people like yourself believe passionately in the tax designed to humiliate and degrade the dhimmi!!!
To tell me this isnt a muslim issue here and right now is trying to delude yourself friendship.....its muslims, its mosques, it's teachings and it's widespread. The sad thing about it is they dont regard it as "wrong".
So your people are quite happy to steal from people like me, yet still call me "immoral". Get my drift friendship or is your wish to promote muslim behaviour as superior going to override truth and commonsense. |
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Radagast
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| To tell me this isnt a muslim issue here and right now is trying to delude yourself friendship.....its muslims, its mosques, it's teachings and it's widespread. The sad thing about it is they dont regard it as "wrong". |
Normally, it isn't a religious issue. People cheat on taxes for all kinds of reasons. However, the moment it is encouraged in a religious context by any religious group or religious leader, then it becomes a religious issue.
I am very happy for Muslims not to pay tax... as long as they accept the consequences and become non-residents as a result.
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muhmed terror head
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:03 am Post subject: |
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wronge you are(ahmad sharmat) and your cult islam..
it is clear that before islam the pagans (mushrikin) worshepd idols from stone,wood,even dates(bala7),besides AL LAAT (god of moon) and the sun it self,the stars...
but never worshiped other humans or the mythical JINN...NO WAY
if u claim so prove it with a verse of the stuped quaran or hadith..
the only worshiped god like humans was in egypt the pharons acording to quran but it was send to the arabs of the arabian peninsula.
agin its you who is DISMISED... |
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friendship
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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Location: ABSENT FOR A WEEK, BEST WISHES, M.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| peoshi wrote: |
| friendship wrote: |
| I have read your previous post but I would like you PEOSHI to comment on the verses as you understand them. |
Why?I'm not the one defending it,you are!I understand it to mean pretty much what it says,but I'm sure you have your own "translation" of them,most muslims do!
| friendship's sig wrote: |
The Msg shud read:Pic deleted by m cos its not permitted in the signature
The current explanation suggests I'd pornographic/violent picture in my sig |
Are you still whining about this?Let it go,already! |
Two points in your post Peoshi:
1) I am not defending it
2) Signature. (comment about this ignored, its been discussed and thrown into the garbage can by the "m"onkey)
1) So now you will explain what you want me to defend? What is it so objectionable that you read in the verses? Explain yourself before I can answer it.
[ The possibility that you do understand the implications of the words in the verse are probably remote, hence the reluctance to share your views and understanding of the wording of the verse ]
Let me make it clear.
Am I "defending" YOUR objection on the wording or am I defending how "some muslims" understand it?
If I am NOT defending YOUR own objection about the wording then the matter should be closed for now.
So, do you have any Objection against the Quranic wording, YES? What is the Objection?
Many Thanks
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miss ruby
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Ahmed I quickly skimmed through your lengthy post, but do you really believe that writing Allah and muhammed on an equal level is considered Shirk?
If so, then friendship what are your thoughts on this (absurdity?) |
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piscohot
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Indeed following Bukhari, Muslim and others in any religious matter that is not sanctioned by Allah is nothing but following conjectures, and because these conjectures are religious related then this will constitute Shirk type 2, |
and WHO determine what is/is not "sanctioned by Allah'?
Picn 'n chosing' - MUSLIMS who have never spoken to 'Allah' nor seen him and who can't do anything else bút guess, and guess, and guess, and guess..... and keep guessing ..... and  and  each other and  each other after which they still have to keep guessing, and guessing, and guessing ....... what 'Allah' said or not. |
Idiot
there is something called the Quran that is sent by Allah
go and burry your pinhead in a toilet somewhere, you are such a loser bound top hell |
Why do muslims follow the prayer postures that they have at present when it is NOT sanctioned in the quran? They followed Muhammad. Does this constitute 'Shirk'?
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Ahmed I quickly skimmed through your lengthy post, but do you really believe that writing Allah and muhammed on an equal level is considered Shirk?
If so, then friendship what are your thoughts on this (absurdity?) |
Well, it is ironic that a kafir like you call my research an absudity, indeed you are the one who have a poluted mind like many condused Muslims, that poluted mind you had when you were a Muslim is the damn reason you left islam, and those confused Muslims are the damn reason our religion has been divided
miss ruby, i really care less what you say, in fact my article is for the Muslims and as you can see no Muslim dared to refute it
Salam |
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| piscohot wrote: |
| Why do muslims follow the prayer postures that they have at present when it is NOT sanctioned in the quran? They followed Muhammad. Does this constitute 'Shirk'? |
Idiot enemy of Islam, piss
the salat is mentioned in the Quran zillions of times you ignornat piece of sh!t coming from a pig
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Why not a knowledgable Muslim on this web site show me where the shirking Shahada is sanctioned by Allah in the Quran?
I don't want BS sanctioned by Abu Hariarah the liar, I only talk Quran that was sent to us from God alone.
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