Al Mushrikoon exposed

[Berber]

[AhmedBahgat]

[Berber]

[AhmedBahgat]

Hello mister Berber


firtsly let me start with this verse:


And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better (greeting) than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all things.
[The Quran ; 4:86]

وَإِذَا حُيِّيْتُم بِتَحِيَّةٍ فَحَيُّواْ بِأَحْسَنَ مِنْهَا أَوْ رُدُّوهَا إِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ حَسِيبًا (86)


-> Can you see your flaw mate?


Now you need to respond to this otherwise you need to knock it off:


28: And on the day when We will gather them all together, then We will say to the polytheists: Keep where you are, you and your associates; then We shall separate them widely one from another and their associates would say: It was not us that you served:

29: Therefore Allah is sufficient as a witness between us and you that we were quite unaware of your serving (us).
[The Quran ; 10:28-29]

وَيَوْمَ نَحْشُرُهُمْ جَمِيعًا ثُمَّ نَقُولُ لِلَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُواْ مَكَانَكُمْ أَنتُمْ وَشُرَكَآؤُكُمْ فَزَيَّلْنَا بَيْنَهُمْ وَقَالَ شُرَكَآؤُهُم مَّا كُنتُمْ إِيَّانَا تَعْبُدُونَ (28)
فَكَفَى بِاللّهِ شَهِيدًا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ إِن كُنَّا عَنْ عِبَادَتِكُمْ لَغَافِلِينَ (29)




60: Did I not charge you, O children of Adam ! that you should not serve the Shaitan? Surely he is your open enemy,

61: And that you should serve Me; this is the right way.

[The Quran ; 36:60-61]

60) أَلَمْ أَعْهَدْ إِلَيْكُمْ يَبَنِي ءادَمَ أَنْ لَا تَعْبُدُوا الشَّيْطَنَ إِنَّهُ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ مُبِينٌ
61) وَأَنْ اعْبُدُونِي هَذَا صِرَطٌ مُسْتَقِيمٌ



Salam

[Berber]

[AhmedBahgat]

Salam

Sorry for the typo, I'm not used to the spelling of foriegn names

on the other hand I have read all Ibn Kathir Tafsir


I got him wrong in more than one occasion

so what is your point exacly? it is not like what Ibn Kathir says must be right, right?

Now forget Ibn Kathir, he is dead, how about you, do you mean Ma means the sun, the moon and other objects that were worshipped by those stupid kafirs but not humans?


Salam

[Berber]

[AhmedBahgat]

Salam brother Berber

you still insist that the verse is talking about incidents in the past, well the Quran is not limited to the past, the message of the Quran regarding those who obeyed humans in made up divine laws as if it is from God that both of them will be burnt in the hell fire, I clearly showed the verses that exposed both of them (Al Mushrikoon and their associates "Shurakaahim") that both will be burnt in the hell fire

let's just not dispute this matter again and concentrate on the other matter you raised which is the Arabic word "Ma", forget the Waw, because this is another words, so we don't need to have "Wa Ma" nor "Wa Man"

what we need to look at is the word Ma, you said it can only be referred to objects not humans or other real gods, you said it should be Man, I on the other hand disagreed with that, so let me show a compelling evidence that the word Ma can be even used to refer to Allah Himself:

1: Say: O unbelievers!

2: I do not serve that which you serve,

3: Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:

4: Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,

5: Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:

6: You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
[The Quran ; 109]

بِسْمِ اللّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ

قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ (1)

لَا أَعْبُدُ مَا تَعْبُدُونَ (2)

وَلَا أَنتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ (3)

وَلَا أَنَا عَابِدٌ مَّا عَبَدتُّمْ (4)

وَلَا أَنتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ (5)

لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ (6)


-> See brother Berber how many time the word ” مَا”, ”Ma” which mean ”That”, 4 times, 2 referring to Allah and the other 2 are referring to what the Kafiroon worship

Thanks bro


Let me take the chance and explain a couple of points to the Kafiroon on this web site:

1) The above sure is yet another compelling evidence that there is no compulsion in Islam, ” [5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve, [6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.”


2) We can also see the sura started by Allah telling Mohammed to SAY to the kafiroon :”O Kafiroon", i.e. there is nothing wrong in calling the Kafiroon, Kafiroon, on free minds web site (the quran aloners) I used to call a few of them as such, those who call them selves Muslims and yet they deny the existence of the Angels, The Jinns, and even some of them doubted the existence of Mohammad and claimed that Mohammad is nothing but a metaphor, when I called them Kafiroon, they became agitated and accused me of insulting them, and said that under Islam I should not call ANYONE a Kafir, so I produced this sura to them as a compelling evidence that nothing wrong in calling those who show signs of kufr, Kafiroon

Salam

[chingachgook]

[truth seeker]

[Realist]

Come on guys you are being extremely unfair to ‘Ahmadbaghat’. You KNOW he is the self appointed paramount arabic speaker and translator in the world today. After all has [color=red]HE[/color] not on countless threads completely discounted and discredited all the previously accepted koranic translators and sources and of course not to mention native arab speakers too. The truth is AB should even now be slaving at his computer writing what HE tells us will be the [b]FIRST[/b] and only UNIVERSALLY accepted translation and INTERPRETATION of the Koran. Of course you also know his English is exemplary and he never makes mistakes …..NOT. Please give this great man all your support and don’t waste his time you know he is always right and you are just a lesser beings and will annoy him and make him angry if you have the temerity to try and disagree with him. LOL Unfortunately his English is very suspect too I mean 'heresay???? where does he get that from? So if that is the standard of his english I doubt if his translation will be up to much.

‘I dont have a local mosque, nor I ever denied that I follow onlt the sunnah that is approved by the Quran and the common sense’ Posted by Ahmedbhgat Fri 13th July 2007 in Ridiculous things in the Koran and Hadith thread.
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Honour and Pride have no place in Islam. XXX in a thread on Honour Killing.

Islam is a BUFFET you just select which bits you like and dismiss the rest. Ahmed Bahgat

Whats the drink called that allah says BEES make? Berber says 'I dont know'

[Realist]

Berboonisms.


1) You are not a paedophile if you only fudge one child
2) It is not possible to translate the Koran in an understandable form in to any other language.
3) I want to raise 50 Divisions of Berbers train them in N.Korea and send them to fight the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan. I wish I could join them but I have a sore knee.
4) If Mexico threatened to wipe the USA off the map the USA would be justified in declaring war on Mexico
(Mmm!!! lets see what was it Iran said about Israel?)
5) The only solution to the problem that I see today is complet(sic) sepration(sic) between the west and the Muslim world . If the(sic) both hates each other and blaming that each side is trying to destroy the other then each one has to stay in his back ward(sic) . As far as I know Muslims are already in their back ward(sic) . we do not ocuppy (sic)any wester(sic) nation we do not interfer(sic) in their domestic policy we do not have CIA like organization which topples regime and instal(sic) puppet regime . so in order that we have peace in the world the west has to stay in his back ward(sic) if they refuse which I think they will then what is happening today is their fault and not ours.
(sorry about all the sic’s but Berboons English leaves a lot to be desired. How long has he been in the USA?)
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Honour and Pride have no place in Islam. XXX in a thread on Honour Killing.

Islam is a BUFFET you just select which bits you like and dismiss the rest. Ahmed Bahgat

Whats the drink called that allah says BEES make? Berber says 'I dont know'