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selfworm
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 Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: Fingers in the Dyke: Dutch Fear Rising Ethnic Tensions |
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Fingers in the Dyke: Dutch Fear Rising Ethnic Tensions
From the desk of Paul Belien on Sun, 2007-01-14 22:02
The Netherlands may soon witness an outburst of ethnic violence. An official report published last Wednesday states that “tensions between various ethnic and cultural groups of youths are seriously underestimated.” The report points out that the Dutch authorities fail to grasp the gravity of the problem. It warns the government in The Hague that if nothing is done the country will soon witness situations similar to those in France. There violent clashes, which erupted in late 2005, have led to the police abandoning immigrant suburbs to gangs of Muslim youths, who have now taken over effective control of more than 750 French urban neighborhoods.
Following the 2004 assassination of Theo van Gogh by a young Moroccan immigrant the Dutch minister of Integration, Rita Verdonk, installed four so-called “intervention teams for interethnic tensions.” The teams are made up of social workers whose task it is to advise local authorities on ways to deal with groups of unassimilated and criminal youths. In major Dutch cities many of the young people are not of indigenous Dutch extraction. In Amsterdam 55% of those under18 are immigrants, mainly Moroccan, Turkish or Antillean (West Indian). In Rotterdam the number has surpassed 50%. Everywhere this percentage is rising dramatically. Dutch society has failed to inculcate the children of immigrants with Dutch values. Perhaps the latter was simply impossible. There are 1 million Muslims on a total of 16 million inhabitants in the Netherlands. At over 6% of the population this is proportionally the largest Muslim immigrant population of all Western nations, except for France which has 6 million Muslims on a total of 60 million inhabitants. The Muslims are younger than the indigenous population and tend to be concentrated in the cities.
Dick Corporaal, the coordinating president of the intervention teams, told Dutch national radio on Wednesday that “multicultural tensions between youths threaten to lead to an uncontrollable situation.” He warned that the problem is not restricted to cities but is also beginning to affect towns in the more rural areas. “The municipal authorities have no idea about what is going on,” Corporaal said about the rising tension. He advised the government to devote more funds to youth work and to increase the number of intervention teams. He also accused the local authorities of treating all troublesome youths similarly, while according to him different approaches are needed when confronting the various groups: Moroccans, Antilleans, Turks and “Lonsdale youths” [The latter are indigenous Dutch hooligans]. Corporaal also emphasized that each ethnic group itself is not homogeneous and should not be dealt with as such.
The intervention teams recommend an expansion of the social worker approach to defuse the situation. This is a typically Dutch way of doing things, which is widely applied, even among Dutch troops in Afghanistan who prefer to have tea with the Taliban rather than fight them. Last year the police of The Hague sent officers on a “cultural training” trip to Morocco because, as Gerard Bouman, the The Hague police chief (who has meanwhile been promoted to head of the Dutch state security services), said, “Criminal Moroccan youths […] do not behave like indigenous Dutch. They rave about Moroccan culture. Hence, we have to know the latter, too.” In Morocco, the Dutch police officers discovered that their Moroccan colleagues were astonished to hear that the Dutch have problems with criminal Moroccan youths. In Morocco officers are known to beat the hell out of criminals.
Corporaal’s recommendations, however, do not seem to go down well with many ordinary native Dutch. A poll conducted by Elsevier, the largest Dutch weekly, indicates that 80% of its readers prefer a “harsh treatment” of troublemaking youths rather than “sending in more multicultural intervention teams.”
Meanwhile, in order to reduce tensions between immigrant youths and white native hooligans, a Dutch high school, the Hoofdvaart College in Hoofddorp, which lies between Amsterdam and Haarlem, has prohibited the wearing of Lonsdale cloths by pupils. Lonsdale is a British clothing brand whose sweaters and jackets are said to be popular with the far right because the brand name includes the letters NSDA, one letter short of NSDAP, the German acronym for Hitler’s Nazi Party. According to the school, wearing Lonsdale is a “provocation and is offensive to others.” Two years ago, however, a report of the Dutch state security services found that the majority of those wearing Lonsdale gear are not far right fanatics.
The official Dutch worries about rising hostility in immigrant communities towards the hitherto predominant culture in the Netherlands are also discernible in the fifth annual report of Tjibbe Joustra, the National Anti-Terrorism Coordinator. Late last month the government submitted the report to the Dutch Parliament. Joustra writes that he is especially worried about the rise in so-called “living room marriages” (informal Islamist weddings conducted at home). This phenomenon is “more widespread” than previously thought, the report says. Last week Joustra’s spokesman said “We knew these weddings occurred in certain circles, but we have indications that they are also on the rise elsewhere.” He referred to a growing group of underage Dutch girls, 16 or 17 years old, who convert to Islam in order to marry young Muslim men with whom they have fallen in love. “The women get isolated from their families. The isolation leads to radicalization.” The report of the National Anti-Terrorism Coordinator says there were a number of “living room marriages” within the Hofstad Group, the circle around Mohammed Bouyeri, Theo van Gogh’s assassin.
Joustra’s report sees the rise of “living room marriages” as one of many indications of the growth of radical Islamism, especially Salafism, in the Netherlands. According to Joustra Salafists are very active among youth groups in the main Dutch cities, but also increasingly in other parts of the country. “We are aware now that young people can radicalize very fast,” Joustra’s spokesman said. “This can happen within a couple of months.”
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gallego
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: Europe just doesn't get it |
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Like most of Europe, the Dutch have done it to themselves. It seems that left to their own devices, the Europeans (including the Brits) will SH1T the bed every time.
Outsiders had the clean up the nazi mess for them. Americans, Canadians, and Russians had to rid Europe of nazis for them. American, Canadian, and Russian boys literally fought house to house to save Europe and (especially the Russians) died in huge numbers. Do Europeans expect Russian, Canadian, and American boys to come and do that again to rid Europe of all those muzztards that Europe has so freely alowed in?
The American taxpayer (who funded a huge military) saved Europe from being communized. Their memories are short on that one too.
Europe is faced with a choice. Do they want to preserve their way of life or don't they? It's their choice, and they themselves will have to take the appropriate action. Others are sick and tired of Europe making (SH1TTING) their bed and then expecting somebody else to lie in it.
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jinnzaman
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haha, global capitalism is awesome.
firstly, it lead to the rise of imperialism where European nations eventually went to obscene lengths to obtain global domination.
secondly, it lead to the demise of colonialism because it was to costly to maintain order over native populations.
thirdly, the post-war economic collapse of europe created a labor deficit that required them to import Muslims from their former colonies. they were treated in a disparate manner and discriminated against which lead to the formation of their own ghettoes.
fourthly, the commodification of human relationships lead many Europeans to develop hyperindividualism and hedonism in their sexual relations. with a less emphasis on the family, their birthrates dropped radically, making them more reliant upon imported labor from the Muslim world in the future.
so if you want to blame someone for the rise of Islam in Europe, the only thing you can blame is capitalism.
the chickens are coming home to roost my friend.
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STEAM
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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thirdly, the post-war economic collapse of europe created a labor deficit that required them to import Muslims from their former colonies. |
Do you think that Muslims formed the majority among all erstwhile colonised peoples?
It was Muslims who wanted to "export" themselves to the west, out of their Islamic hellholes.
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| they were treated in a disparate manner and discriminated against which lead to the formation of their own ghettoes. |
Proof?
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fourthly, the commodification of human relationships lead many Europeans to develop hyperindividualism and hedonism in their sexual relations. with a less emphasis on the family, their birthrates dropped radically, making them more reliant upon imported labor from the Muslim world in the future. |
There is more than enough non-Muslim labour available to meet all of Europe's needs, and then some.
And this non-Muslim labour does not indulge in subversive and terrorist
activities against their hosts. |
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jinnzaman
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Do you think that Muslims formed the majority among all erstwhile colonised peoples?
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Do you think that Muslims formed the majority of minorities in Europe today? Read my post carefully. I was talking about the minorities in Europe, not the colonized people generally.
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It was Muslims who wanted to "export" themselves to the west, out of their Islamic hellholes.
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Other than your magical abilities to pierce the intent of an entire class of people whom you've probably never even met, what evidence can you muster to support your assertion?
Why did they leave their Islamic "hellholes"? Could it have anything to do with the economic decline of their homelands due to colonialism? Could the desire to immigrate to another land have anything to do with economic incentives?
You're making contradictory claims: on the one hand you claim Muslims left their homeland because they hated Islam, but on the other hand, they are to blame for not integrating into mainstream Western culture and want to impose the Shari'ah. These two claims are mutually exclusive.
The riots in France weren't done in the name of religion, but in the name of equalization of employment and educational opportunities. The name of religion wasn't invoked in those riots, although they were invoked in other events such as the hijab and Danish cartoons protest.
Whats your proof for otherwise?
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There is more than enough non-Muslim labour available to meet all of Europe's needs, and then some.
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Sure there is. 
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And this non-Muslim labour does not indulge in subversive and terrorist
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And real rational and ethical people don't engage in ethical stereotypes such as concluding that millions of Muslims living in Europe are subversive based on the acts of a few extremists.
Let me ask you this: what are all those millions of Muslims waiting for? Why aren't they strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up?
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STEAM
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| STEAM wrote: |
Do you think that Muslims formed the majority among all erstwhile colonised peoples?
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Do you think that Muslims formed the majority of minorities in Europe today? Read my post carefully. I was talking about the minorities in Europe, not the colonized people generally. |
You said Europe had to import Muslim labour from their former colonies.
So you were NOT talking about minorities in Europe.
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It was Muslims who wanted to "export" themselves to the west, out of their Islamic hellholes.
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Other than your magical abilities to pierce the intent of an entire class of people whom you've probably never even met, what evidence can you muster to support your assertion? |
First, please give evidence that Europe had to import Muslims.
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Why did they leave their Islamic "hellholes"? Could it have anything to do with the economic decline of their homelands due to colonialism? Could the desire to immigrate to another land have anything to do with economic incentives?
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Colonialism led to the economic decline of lots of non-Muslim countries too. Many of the people from such countries emigrated to the west.
But no one is saying that the west had to import them.
YOU, OTOH, are saying that Europe had to import Muslims.
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| You're making contradictory claims: on the one hand you claim Muslims left their homeland because they hated Islam, |
Where did I claim that?
Hating an Islamic hellhole is NOT the same as hating Islam, is it?
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but on the other hand, they are to blame for not integrating into mainstream Western culture and want to impose the Shari'ah. These two claims are mutually exclusive. |
I never made the first claim anyway, so yes, Muslims are to blame for not integrating into their host nations, and wanting to impose their barbaric laws on everyone else.
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The riots in France weren't done in the name of religion, but in the name of equalization of employment and educational opportunities. |
By whom was religion not invoked? By the media. Who were the rioters, do you think?
To say that there are not equal opportunities in education and employment in Europe is to LIE. How is France to blame, if some of its Muslim citizens are too lazy to use those opportunities?
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The name of religion wasn't invoked in those riots, although they were invoked in other events such as the hijab and Danish cartoons protest.
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The media had no chance to suppress the name of Islam in those cases.
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Whats your proof for otherwise? |
What's your proof that the rioters in France were anyone but Muslim?
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There is more than enough non-Muslim labour available to meet all of Europe's needs, and then some.
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Sure there is. |
Try India and China.
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And this non-Muslim labour does not indulge in subversive and terrorist
activities against their hosts. |
And real rational and ethical people don't engage in ethical stereotypes such as concluding that millions of Muslims living in Europe are subversive based on the acts of a few extremists. |
Why do the non-Muslim immigrants to the west not produce a single extremist? Heard of a Chinese suicide bomber?
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Let me ask you this: what are all those millions of Muslims waiting for? Why aren't they strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up? |
Because they are not true Muslims. |
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Infidelia
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Jinzzaman
What are going on about ?
Yes immigrants were brought over, or given a chance to come and work in Europe to do the jobs we did not want to do (at least thats what we were told  ) they were not forced they came very willingly  In fact they kept coming, and still do.
They know which side their bread is buttered on and that their lives in islamic countries will never give them the opportunities and freedoms the west does.
Blaming colonialism for their lack of prosperity
is just another very pathetic and worn out boring excuse for their own inabilities. Although no comparison to colonialists in the least ( who did not reduce islamic countries to rubble )-after the Nazi's were defeated Europe rebuilt from sheer ashes and started anew. They didnt constantly whine on and blame Germany. (didn't have time for complaining- they had a job to do and every man woman and child did their bit)
Why cant muslims do that ? 
There is a difference of mentalities . Muslims complain , wail and play victim all the while actually doing little or nothing.
We get on with it because we want a better life and know our own responsibilities in attaining that.
Islam is the reason islamic countries just cant get it right
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MsWesterner
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or jinzaman.....could their hell holes have anything to do with islam and muslim behaviours (as taught)
I say everything to do with islam....given that where these people settle there is again the very very same picture emerging.
And the hell holes where millions live in the most appalling conditions with huge ignorance, poverty, illiteracy and hopelessness are still brainwashed by the imams that islam is beautiful and allah provides sustenance for all!!!!
Of course, actions always speak louder than words. |
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