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peoshi
Joined: 17 Nov 2006
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
| I WILL NEVER ALLOW ANY PUNK OR HO TO ABYUSE MY RELIGION OR MYSELF |
Yeah,youve done a bang-up job of stopping it so far!  People aren't offended by you,Ahmed!They are amused!It's hard to get pissed at a 42 yr. old muslim who has the maturity of a 5 yr. old kafir! 
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AhmedBahgat
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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I didn´t insult you OR your religion, Ahmed. I spoke the truth about them, and if I didn´t show me, where I went wrong. THAT is, what strength is about - not throwing tantrums, and threatening to "dismiss" me again. We can disagree, we can exchange arguments, if you HAVE any arguments, that is.
I could not care less, if you show "real strength", Ahmed - it´s you, who lose out, if you don´t.
I am not your enemy. Actually, quite the contrary.
And btw: I worked on my last post, while you were answering it, so - do read the last paragraph that I added, please. |
sorry my daughter had to call me to change my son nappy and give him a bath
ok I read what you added,
nothing to say on my side really, I already made up my decision while giving my son a bath
I deceided to leave FFI for a few weeks if not months, (i have done it before), it is going to be a bit harder this time though, that's the only difference, but I'm up to anything really, I will use the huge amount of databases development that I have as well my web site should have a bit of my energy, this will be my last comment on ffi for a period as I stated earlier,
people now can take their low and dirty shots at my religion and myself and they won't hear from me for long time inshallah
sorry in advance for those who will direct comments to me as i wnlt reply regardless what the comment
Logging off
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Always_Faithful
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Location: Location: Location
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| An appaling lie like this is worse slander than any of AB's crude slurs. |
oh yeah. apparently your polemical anti islam sites are ample proof of the reality you are denying here
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Anti-Islam, true. However, in your post, you peddled the lie that we want Muslims to be exterminated.
This site is not about hating any individual, it is about opposing a religion which we, with significant evidence in hand, believe to be barbaric, as much for the good of Muslims as for the good of others.
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diotima64
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Location: middleearth
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Well - all the best to you, Ahmed.
I know, you are a good person at heart, and I know it´s hard for you to deal with us and this site.
Hope to see you back... and hopefully further down the way of apostasy.
As the other apostates here can tell you - once the dam starts breaking, there is no real way of stopping it, and you leaving seems to be an indication of first fissures... but really, religion apart, I just wish you well. All the best to you and your wife and family.
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al-boriqee
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Anti-Islam, true. However, in your post, you peddled the lie that we want Muslims to be exterminated.
This site is not about hating any individual, it is about opposing a religion which we, with significant evidence in hand, believe to be barbaric, as much for the good of Muslims as for the good of others.
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I already understand this pretext you all give. Im speaking of other clearly evident realities that would nullify your said claim
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Well - all the best to you, Ahmed.
I know, you are a good person at heart, and I know it´s hard for you to deal with us and this site.
Hope to see you back... and hopefully further down the way of apostasy.
As the other apostates here can tell you - once the dam starts breaking, there is no real way of stopping it, and you leaving seems to be an indication of first fissures... |
emaan increases and decreases. that reality has no bearing on apostasy. sorry to burst your nuclear theological ambition
regards
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diotima64
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| emaan increases and decreases. that reality has no bearing on apostasy. sorry to burst your nuclear theological ambition |
Well - ya know more about emaan and all that than I do... what I DO know is, that lots and lots of apostates describe this mechanism, that onc ethe doubts set in, brain starts working again, there is no ultimate turning back.  |
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al-boriqee
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| emaan increases and decreases. that reality has no bearing on apostasy. sorry to burst your nuclear theological ambition |
Well - ya know more about emaan and all that than I do... what I DO know is, that lots and lots of apostates describe this mechanism, that onc ethe doubts set in, brain starts working again, there is no ultimate turning back. |
that hapens to me, or use to happen to me for the first 2 years. but the logical solution to doubts is to what? ask! ask those who know. that is the correct form of the brain working. Once the brain continuously works in this fashion, it will come to the realization that the doubts in the form of questions that rouse in the depths down there will recognize the doubts for what they are, waas waas. Those who were unable to get their brain working and see what the doubts were, ended up becoming of those who are unfortunate.
regards
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AhmedBahgat
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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Hello All
I decided to add two more comments before my holiday, this one and the one I'm composing right now, my next comment is a reply to brother al-bureqee, it will be also made a thread on my web site, however you dont need to read it there I will get you a copy in my next and final comment before my holiday
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shoeshiner
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| al-boriqee wrote: |
| only a dolt would formualte their arguement in this unrothodox fashion. |
If that's how a dolt formulates their argument, then what would you call Allah? |
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Always_Faithful
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I already understand this pretext you all give. Im speaking of other clearly evident realities that would nullify your said claim |
What clearly evident realities? The majority of people on this site have never made a call to violence against innocent Muslims. Even some of the more vehement never result to that sort of language.
None are affected more by Islam than Muslims. This site aimed most prominantly at helping them. Unless you can back up your extreme claims, they remain empty slander.
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Anna Doe
Joined: 25 Dec 2005
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Location: Somewhere on the spheric kafir earth, vaccinating people against islam
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AhmedBahgat, it is a pity you never were able to refute the claims I have posted in the first post of this thread.
Well you cannot, that is why.
Enjoy your vacations and I hope you will have more and more doubts about islam. Specially with a grand mufti like yours!
islam can only be defended by lying:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37976
There is hope for you because you could never follow really the sunnah of mohamed: you couldn't marry a child, you couldn't marry your child to a 54 years old, you are trying your best to smoothen the koranic verses and so on...
Good luck in your reforms although I don't think islam can be reformed: how can you reform a supremacist, prejudicial, misogyn, paedophil, cruel, barbaric, archaic, bloodthirsty... ideology???
You will have to delete 2/3 of the koran and ahadith and 90% of the sunnah. Then you get the condensed good verses of the bibles and some non-sense...
I am still waiting for a muslim to bring me an example of mohamed's mercifullness. Moreover a new good thing brought in the koran...
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Tribalnation
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Location: Desert Southwest
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| see one of my defined principle that I WILL NEVER ALLOW ANY PUNK OR HO TO ABYUSE MY RELIGION OR MYSELF |
What use is that? |
it is designed to show strength
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| The only way to defend your religion or yourself against slander, is to debunk the lies that are being told. |
I do both
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| Mere insults can and should be ignored or brought up to M - not returned in kind. |
tell those who insult me, insult the prophet and insult my religion |
Being a condcesending prick doesn't show strength, rather it shows how pathetic and impotent you and what you defend are.
It's really not much of an insult when it's true; the hadiths that you cling to as part of your doctrine explicitly tell how Mohammad (PISS, FECES, AND THE GUTS OF A THOUSAND PIGS BE UPON HIM) had sex with a 9 year old girl. The mere fact that he could become aroused and compltet the sex act with such a young girl shows he was a pedophile.
So since your prophet is deserving of contempt, so is the "religion" he founded, and ever more so for the "God" he claims to have sanctioned his raping of Aisha.
As you are so fond of doing... DISMISSED
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al-boriqee
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: |
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What clearly evident realities? The majority of people on this site have never made a call to violence against innocent Muslims. Even some of the more vehement never result to that sort of language.
None are affected more by Islam than Muslims. This site aimed most prominantly at helping them. Unless you can back up your extreme claims, they remain empty slander. |
the clearly evident realities laid down by pipes, spencer, and the rest of their ilk, and even the extreme right
here is an example
http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190001
there are tons more. And the fact that if such a reality were to occur, the sites mission would be complete and the need of its existence would cease without any feeling of remorse and with a sense of gladness. Whether you wish to accept this reality or continue to imerse yourself in the pit of denial is your perogative.
secondly, usually the normal humanistic approach to help is that we help those who need it and who ask for it. Muslims never asked for the help of those who themselves need help, and they surely dont need the help of others who can't help themselves.
so while your claim that these are extreme claims, then you better wake up, because you and your firends are living in a world that is extreme and making it all the more so.
regards
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PunkMaister
Joined: 02 Mar 2006
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Location: Ponce, P.R (With very, very few muslims around,thankfully!)
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What clearly evident realities? The majority of people on this site have never made a call to violence against innocent Muslims. Even some of the more vehement never result to that sort of language.
None are affected more by Islam than Muslims. This site aimed most prominantly at helping them. Unless you can back up your extreme claims, they remain empty slander. |
the clearly evident realities laid down by pipes, spencer, and the rest of their ilk, and even the extreme right
here is an example
http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190001
there are tons more. And the fact that if such a reality were to occur, the sites mission would be complete and the need of its existence would cease without any feeling of remorse and with a sense of gladness. Whether you wish to accept this reality or continue to imerse yourself in the pit of denial is your perogative.
secondly, usually the normal humanistic approach to help is that we help those who need it and who ask for it. Muslims never asked for the help of those who themselves need help, and they surely dont need the help of others who can't help themselves.
so while your claim that these are extreme claims, then you better wake up, because you and your firends are living in a world that is extreme and making it all the more so.
regards |
Except that that idiot Savage has nothing to do with Mr Robert Spencer or FFI in any way... All that has been done for the most part here by members barring a few who do advocate violence like that and are chastised for it. Is warn that once your beloved Nuclear Jihadists inevitably carry out their attacks upon western population centers it will also inevitably lead to a crushing retaliatory nuclear counterstrike from NATO upon the muslim world which will end up vaping it as a whole...
Those are the facts...
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al-boriqee
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Except that that idiot Savage has nothing to do with Mr Robert Spencer or FFI in any way... All that has been done for the most part here by members barring a few who do advocate violence like that and are chastised for it. Is warn that once your beloved Nuclear Jihadists inevitably carry out their attacks upon western population centers it will also inevitably lead to a crushing retaliatory nuclear counterstrike from NATO upon the muslim world which will end up vaping it as a whole...
Those are the facts... |
the fact that you say that with a sense of hoping it to happen is a clear example.
and secondly, if something were to happen, nobody is going to do a "nuke sweep".
secondly, they are not my friends, and i am more of an enemy to them than you could ever dream to be. And your casting me to them as being their beloved is a clear indication of your deliberate attempt to sweep the entirty of muslims to be aligned with this label.
regards
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