|
Attention: Year 2009 is here
Wishing a very Happy New Year to all members of FFI. Our new and improved site is ready. To visit main site, click at faithfreedom.org and to visit our new forum, click at forum09.faithfreedom.org and register again. Do not worry about your old forum posts and PM, everything is saved here till 31st December, 2008 for future references.
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
jimmytheclaw
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Posts: 135
|
 Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:12 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
the more i read the less i find the west culpable. think about it islamist groupshave 1 common gripe. besides world domination they want a return of the caliphate [imho the muslim pope]. this was a religous post of leadership that was dissolved by turkey [ataturk]. my question is what was he trying to do by dissolving the caliphate? was he attempting to secularize the religion or was he trying to kill it by getting rid of the leadership? from my POV and limited knowledge when the caliph was in power only he was able to issue a Fatwa, whereas now anyone with a koran and a mosque [which can be any building the cleric designates as such] can issue a Fatwa. so now instead of rulings on jihad coming from one source we have a large number [anyone have fatwa stats] of mullahs clerics and mufti's issuing fatwas declaring a jihad. with a caliphate the west would be able to point a finger at the caliph and go to war against a stated enemy. without a caliph they have to declare war on islam itself.
_________________
De Recta Non Tolerandum Sunt |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
scaredguy
Joined: 08 Jun 2004
Posts: 1239
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Human beings were created as fodder, victims or agents by / for sadist cynical gods. This is the truth that we humans are trying to avoid - that is our wishful thinking.
We should differentiate between WAR religions and EAR religions.
WAR = West Asiatic Revelational (based on revelation)
EAR = East Asiatic Realisational (based on self-realisation).
These WAR religions have made a mess of the very concept of religion and spirituality.
True spirituality means to recognise that the gods are sadists and cynics and that the human being should become neither a victim nor an agent of this sadism and cynicism. He should develop his own strength.
Monotheism is a form of (a sum of) blasphemy and totalitarianism.
Human beings like to differentiate themselves, they like to live in groups that are neither too big nor to small. Hence casteism, racism, nationalism, tribalism, class-system etc. will always have followers. Enforced equality will only drive the people to invent or generate new differences.
Rabid dollar-greed drives US politics since decades - many US politicians and most US citizens know not or care not about this truth. GWBush is no exception - he is the least intelligent president in the last 50 years. But paradoxically even fools can have more success than the clever ones. Naive people are misused by the politicians.
My thesis that gods created humans to satisfy the gods' sadism and cynicism explains everything. So be clever and spread cleverness around. Muslims are to be pitied because they are kept foolish and like to remain foolish.
This will help avoid language of hate or anger. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Humanist
Joined: 04 Sep 2004
Posts: 8520
Location: Kentucky, USA
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| scaredguy wrote: |
..............................
True spirituality means to recognise that the gods are sadists and cynics and that the human being should become neither a victim nor an agent of this sadism and cynicism. He should develop his own strength.
Monotheism is a form of (a sum of) blasphemy and totalitarianism.
Human beings like to differentiate themselves, they like to live in groups that are neither too big nor to small. Hence casteism, racism, nationalism, tribalism, class-system etc. will always have followers. Enforced equality will only drive the people to invent or generate new differences.
Rabid dollar-greed drives US politics since decades - many US politicians and most US citizens know not or care not about this truth. GWBush is no exception - he is the least intelligent president in the last 50 years. But paradoxically even fools can have more success than the clever ones. Naive people are misused by the politicians.
.............................
This will help avoid language of hate or anger. |
Here we go again. I was really agreeing with you until your tirade against the United States.
“Rabid dollar-greed drives US politics since decades - many US politicians and most US citizens know not or care not about this truth. GWBush is no exception - he is the least intelligent president in the last 50 years. But paradoxically even fools can have more success than the clever ones. Naive people are misused by the politicians.”
Give statistics to back that up. The United States pays out far, far more money to the third world than any combination of 5 other countries. The US intellectual properties are stolen throughout the third world, but the US is the dollar-greedy ones! Where is the greed? Where does the US steal all this money? If you buy an American product is that theft by the US? Where is the truth in your statement? The US has no colonies. The US pays for everything it imports.
George W. Bush is dumb? How did he get degrees from Yale and Harvard? He graduated High School in the top 4%, so I can assure you he is not dumb.
_________________
"Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
crazy canuck
Joined: 20 Mar 2004
Posts: 6391
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
Rabid dollar-greed drives US politics since decades - many US
politicians and most US citizens know not or care not about this truth. GWBush is no exception - he is the least intelligent president in the last 50 years. But paradoxically even fools can have more success than the clever ones. Naive people are misused by the politicians. |
As Eastern religion preaches greed, avarice, excessive attachment to material things are human follies. So what U.S. does or people do is human nature. Other cultures and people are equally greedy if not more. Many are so poor there is nothing to be greedy about or look forward to be greedy. All Easterners Chinese, Indians and others are equally or lot more materialistic than developed nations. How come there is 100 time more corruption in India, China, Africa etc. than in North America? Their politicians are real hedonistic.Look at lives of people of third world in North America, they are lot more materialistic than average North Americans. Most are mindless zombies working for new cars and gadgets. They dont really enjoy anything except making money for sake of just accumalating.
Most of the things about G.W. I agree. Hopefully he will be gone by november. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
babushree
Joined: 10 Apr 2004
Posts: 540
Location: paradise of virgin babes
|
| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Humanist wrote: |
I don't understand what you mean.
I do not have trouble grasping things correctly, but I do get many messages confused |
humanist my brother!
don't get confused, that nasty comment was not for you but for a member name doubtless/brainless.
don't ya worry bro! I am on your side and so was crazy canuck, who you just misunderstood.
_________________
I love pillaging, raping, killing the innocents, child molestation, sex and more sex with too many virgins every night. ALL IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MERCIFUL who makes me the HORNIEST just like the apostle. My hero, the messenger of allah |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
scaredguy
Joined: 08 Jun 2004
Posts: 1239
|
| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
Humanist wrote:
here we go again. I was really agreeing with you until your tirade against the United States.
“Rabid dollar-greed drives US politics since decades - many US politicians and most US citizens know not or care not about this truth. GWBush is no exception - he is the least intelligent president in the last 50 years. But paradoxically even fools can have more success than the clever ones. Naive people are misused by the politicians.”
Give statistics to back that up. The United States pays out far, far more money to the third world than any combination of 5 other countries. The US intellectual properties are stolen throughout the third world, but the US is the dollar-greedy ones! Where is the greed? Where does the US steal all this money? If you buy an American product is that theft by the US? Where is the truth in your statement? The US has no colonies. The US pays for everything it imports.
George W. Bush is dumb? How did he get degrees from Yale and Harvard? He graduated High School in the top 4%, so I can assure you he is not dumb.
Crazy canuck wrote:
As Eastern religion preaches greed, avarice, excessive attachment to material things are human follies. So what U.S. does or people do is human nature. Other cultures and people are equally greedy if not more. Many are so poor there is nothing to be greedy about or look forward to be greedy. All Easterners Chinese, Indians and others are equally or lot more materialistic than developed nations. How come there is 100 time more corruption in India, China, Africa etc. than in North America? Their politicians are real hedonistic.Look at lives of people of third world in North America, they are lot more materialistic than average North Americans. Most are mindless zombies working for new cars and gadgets. They dont really enjoy anything except making money for sake of just accumalating.
Most of the things about G.W. I agree. Hopefully he will be gone by november. |
To my contribution I had two responses as above.
My answer:
1) I wrote just 3 lines criticising USA and humanist calls it a tirade. What a thin skin. He can’t differentiate between “being greedy” and “stealing”. A hungry man steals a piece of bread – he is stealing but not being greedy. A poor man owes 100$ to a multimillionaire and the rich man insists that the poor guy pay back every cent no matter what. This is a case of greed but not of stealing. I accused US of being dimwit greedy and not of stealing. US politics indeed is determined by dollar-greed and nothing else. Otherwise the US citizens (not just politicians) would have acceded to collaborating with the commies to destroy islam as the far more obvious-dangerous evil (e.g. in Iran, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Egypt Yemen etc.). US citizens lack this fine socio-political intelligence. That is the intelligence I am talking about - socio-political intelligence - when I say that GWBush is the biggest idiot, bigger than even Reagan. I was not talking about the intelligence that one needs in order to get into Yale and Harvard and out of it. By the way, sons of influential men do get into Yale or Harvard without merit. You think a degree from Yale or Harvard is a proof of socio-political intelligence? US has no colonies in the 19th-century sense of the word colony. People steal US intellectual property because they do not wish that the rich should become richer. And statistics is a game of many manipulations. USA is our big hope against the islamic scourge, but are the USA performing – that is the crucial question. In the 50’s and 60’s the USA and USSR should have collaborated to destroy islam. Instead USA collaborated with islam and fascist right-wing dictators to destroy USSR (I am no sympathiser of commies but their social vision was far far better than that of islam).
2) Crazy canuck is right about his scathing criticism of the third world, poor and eastern countries – but they are insignificant in our real challenge – that of islamic fascism, totalitarianism and imperialism. Only USA has the power to eradicate islam and must do so before it is too late. The others are non-entities. He hopes GWB is gone in November – but who is going to replace him? A bottle of Heinz ketchup? US citizens are just not ware of the danger faced by mankind – it is far worse than nazism or bolshevism or abortion-yes-or-no or homosexuality or carbon dioxide tonnage. It is islam, the islamic cancer and gangrene. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
