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The Psychology of Muhammad.

 
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Huston



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: The Psychology of Muhammad. Reply with quote

This little article I wrote is my psychological analysis of Muhammad. I will be using the work of the Swiss German Psychologist Carl Jung.

“The relation of the individual to his fantasy is very largely conditioned by his relation to the unconscious in general, and this in turn is conditioned in particular by the spirit of the age.” (Jung, pp. 53)

The unconscious breeds many of things that are indeterminate and is subjective according to each individual. So now what happens when religion enters the picture?

“Religion has an undoubted tendency to suppress the unconscious in the individual as much as possible, thus paralyzing his fantasy activity. Instead religion offers stereotyped symbolic concepts that are meant to take place of his unconscious once and for all. The symbolic concepts of all religions are recreations of unconscious process in a typical, universally binding form. Religious teachings supplies as it were the final information about the “last things” and the world beyond human consciousness.” (Jung, pp. 53)

We are on our way in describing something similar to what Muhammad, or any prophet, did. They had these revelations of what they claim are from god. As we can see already from the general description of fantasies and where they come from, we know these revelations did not come from god. What we do notice is that religions do have common symbols; however they are given certain differences in characteristics. This is obvious from the conscious interpretation of the individual. From this, we also know why people fall so hard for these interpretations. There is a problem that arises unfortunately. These symbols cannot be interpreted the same way for each individual, nor is each symbol essential for all. As we continue.

“Wherever we can observe a religion being born, we see how the doctrinal figures flow into the founder himself as revelations, in other words as concretization of his unconscious fantasy. The forms welling up from his unconscious are declared to be universally valid for all and thus replace the individual fantasies of others... Therefore all individual fantasies became otiose and worthless and were persecuted as heretical.” (Jung, pp. 53)

We can see now the potential and usually fatal result on such approaches to fantasy and the unconscious. In the case of Muhammad his unconscious manifestation proved to be fatal to the surrounding Meccans and then later the Jews of Medina, and then eventual a good chunk of the world. We can also see how his interpretation was indeed influenced by the spirit of the age. Islam came to possess artifacts from both Arabian paganism, Judaism and the Christian sects in the area. Although we cannot just keep this to Islam, the Arabian paganism and other monotheistic religions went through a similar stages of making unconscious fantasy concrete. Now that we have established the point of view of religions, and a concrete interpretation of fantasy, let’s look at the importance of the individual unconscious.

“The unconscious of the individual was rejected despite the fact that it transparently spoke the truth. There are in the history of the mind especial reason for this rejection, but it is not incumbent on us to discuss them here” The most probable reason for this is certain conditions where the individual is suffering from some neurosis or psychosis. Jung continues: “We must be content with the fact that the unconscious was suppressed. Psychologically, the suppression consists in a withdrawal of libido. The libido thus gained promoted the growth and development of the conscious attitude, with the result that a new picture of the world is gradually built up. The undoubted advantages accruing from this process naturally consolidate the new attitude.” (Jung, pp. 57

As one can see, why would a religion or organization that seeks hegemonic power over the masses want such a thing? I am not certain what Islam intends to do; one can clearly see it wants to dominate over women, having them subservient to men. I find no practical purpose to having people be completely robotic toward a god that is the result of one mans imagination. Ok, I suppose they can act as vessels to push for world dominance, but what after? One can just assume how dangerous it is when an individual’s imagination takes hold on a group. Perhaps Muhammad’s intentions were to push for the end of the world. He actually thought his fantasies were real. This very thought just deepens the sick feeling of how dangerous apocalyptic religions are. Christianity has died down considerably in the last couple of centuries, but there are still a large group of people trying to push for the Armageddon they dream about, or that should be more correctly but, of some people who had such fantasies and pushed them onto others.

Source:
Psychological Types, C.G. Jung, H.G. Baynes (translator). Bollingen Series, Princeton U.P., 1971
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MsWesterner



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow Huston....and thanks for your effort and sharing.
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Huston



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MsWesterner wrote:
Wow Huston....and thanks for your effort and sharing.


Thanks, I had to make some corrections, but I wonder how easily this will be pushed aside and not even be considered by Muslims...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's assume that what is written about Muhammed's life is true:

1) 'Muhammed was an orphan' who suffered from the loss of his mother during his childhood;
2) Muhammed married 'the older woman Kadesha' = his mother who gives him security and protection (also because she is rich)
3) ór this marriage explains his fear of young, sexually potent, women and the reason why he
4)falls in love with a child (also not sexually threathening) and marries Aisha.

Pitty there wasn't a psychiatrist couch around at the time for this traumatised Muhammed.

'Mother Kadesha' consoles Muhammed about the visions which frightened him by saying: 'don't worry darling it is Djibriel talking to you who says that you are the last prophet' (how did shé know? ).
In despair about his visions and the 'hammering in his head' Muhammed
attempts suicide but fails (non comment )
Muhammed is regarded with suspicion 'by those around him' who also, and understandably, must have thought he had gone out of his mind.
Muhammed 'can't write' (which is a disputed claim) and shows his tribesmen 'sura's' of which Muhammed says 'don't ask me what they méan'.

It takes some 10 years for Muhammed to convince sóme his tribesmen that the sura's have truly been 'whispered in my mind and ear by Djibriel'.
Muhammed is 'very famous' and 'leads a Great Caliphate' but untill one hundred years áfter his death the momory of this 'famous Muhammed' is neglected by his followers who do not bother to keep ánything that can be archaeologically authenticated as 'belonging to Muhammed'.

His 'loving wife Aisha' claimed to be 'a fervent Islam scholar' doesn't bother to enthrine Muhammed's, a 'holy man', posessions nor preserves her ówn 'Islam manuscripts' which she is supposed to have written.

Therefore where is the evidence that Muhammed ever existed? Or are the vague sura's as 'written by Djibriel' indeed the ramblings of the village idiot conveniently used by later Arabs to construct Islam?

Islam makes no sense whatsoever!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anna wrote:

2) Muhammed married 'the older woman Kadesha' = his mother who gives him security and protection (also because she is rich)
3) ór this marriage explains his fear of young, sexually potent, women and the reason why he
4)falls in love with a child (also not sexually threathening) and marries Aisha.


Having been Khadijah's sex toy for so long, he really need a sex toy (Aisha) of his own that is small enough for him to practice on, to regain his sexual confidence. That's why HAM.mad never touch any women while Khadija was in control, but once he regain his sexual confidence with practice on Aisha, he had numerious wife at the same time.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: more liklely Reply with quote

More likely the reason that Mohammed did not stray from Kadiya's nest was that she was rich. She maintained him. Mohammed was just being the manwhore that he really was.

I suppose that means, to put a twist on the "reasoning" put forth in sura 4:34, Kadiya should have been able to beat Mohammed if he were 'disobedient"
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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'Mother Kadesha' consoles Muhammed about the visions which frightened him by saying: 'don't worry darling it is Djibriel talking to you who says that you are the last prophet' (how did shé know? ).

I find Kadesha a very controlling spoiled type person. Her wealth was gone (honest mo ate it up) and mo started having his "visions" and she being very business wise exploited the whole pilgramize deal mo's grandfather already had going on. I can't believe ppl (muslims) don't see it for what it is. A con of epic proportions. I have no doubt Kadesha bullied mo into illusions of self grandiuer.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: more liklely Reply with quote

gallego wrote:
More likely the reason that Mohammed did not stray from Kadiya's nest was that she was rich. She maintained him. Mohammed was just being the manwhore that he really was.


Mo was khadija' boy-toy. Mo was victim here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are speaking and thier are thousands of people entring islam , and your plans are just a looosers planes ,,, come on say more say more please , because thats so good that when ever you are hijacking islam ,, more people are entring islam

and they are all scintists and normal people not poor as you say

simply right convert to islam on youtube and watch your scinists and a people living in the reachist area , and a very rich and normal people entring islam , and thats on your tvs cnn , ... not ours

and am out of this nonrelegious site
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iprovedit wrote:
you are speaking and thier are thousands of people entring islam , and your plans are just a looosers planes ,,, come on say more say more please , because thats so good that when ever you are hijacking islam ,, more people are entring islam

and they are all scintists and normal people not poor as you say

simply right convert to islam on youtube and watch your scinists and a people living in the reachist area , and a very rich and normal people entring islam , and thats on your tvs cnn , ... not ours

and am out of this nonrelegious site


Yeah, and if you were Christian you would be saying the same thing. I see it all the time.

However, how does this relate to my article.

Anyways, you say you prove it, prove what, especially with your logical fallacy, argumentum ad populum.
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