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Angel
Joined: 08 Jul 2006
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I am so sick of this copy/past BS.
No the most difficult thing to understand is how can this religion that promotes killing and suffering is from God or good.
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Angel
Joined: 08 Jul 2006
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Location: Israel
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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One of the people that inspire me here are anna doe and always_kafir.
And I doubt they would have responded in the manner I just did therefore I will be more patient.
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Q. The fact that the Prophet Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) married Aisha at what we consider to be a young age.
A. In Islam, there are no 'Teenage' years. {Although I hate using polarities such as the Islamic EAST and the modern WEST, I will use them for ease}. In the West, society is divided up and pidgeon-holed into their respective places. Being a Teenager in the West you are expected to behave and act a certain way, there is even a whole industry geared towards creating and meeting the 'Teenagers' needs through film (the advent of 'teen' movies like American Pie, Road Trip, even films based around drugs like the 'Friday' series of films or the newest edition 'Get Rich, or Die Tryin'), through music, (pop music and the increase of Gangsta Rap), through fashion, etc etc. In Islam however, the stages bypass these 'Wonder years'; the slow backwards upbringing of the West; and moves straight to Adulthood. So you are a Child first, and then an Adult. |
The transition between childhood and adulthood is called adolescence.
And this has nothing to do with the subject. Aisha was a child, either you like it or not. A 6 year old is a child, a 9 year old is a child, and those who play with dolls are considered to be children. Aisha played with dolls when she started living with Mohamed. He slept with her (still a child) therefore he is a pedophile. Do not attempt to distort the facts with attacking the West and its immorality. Pointing the figure to the West does not make you backward religion true.
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| As a Child, in Islam, you are taught the Quran, Arabic, Hadiths, and encouraged to gain knowledge. Adulthood takes place at the time of puberty. At this stage, as a muslim, it is essential that you keep your modesty by not displaying too much as your body begins to change and grow. As you may know, puberty can hit at a very early age for some. This is the case for the Prophets' (peace be upon him) young wife Aisha. |
One day you were a child, then you had your first menstruation and you automatically became a adult ?
By definition a child is a a human being that can not be responsible and can not think rationally.
By definition a adult is a human being that is responsible and is capable of being rational.
Therefore in Islam you past from one to the other in a number of minutes.
Thats the fastest mutation or change I ever heard of. Amazing.
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There is no other evidence in the Hadiths that the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) had relations with any other young individual, (or any young boys for that matter so pederasty in my opinion is out of the question)
A pedophile is someone who seeks sexual gratification only with children.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had wives who were all older than 16, Aisha was an exception. |
Exception or not he had sex with her. He is a pedophile.
"I usually sleep with woman of my age but yesterday I slept with a 9 year old girl. I am not a pedophile because that was an exception". Yeah right, and I am Beethoven.
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Q. Proof that God exists and proof that Allah is God.
A. The proof is the Quran. This is the only proof you need.
It is written in the Quran that once revelation has come to a people, they will still ask for proof, or some kind of miracle like walking on water.
But then again, if we do not ask, then we are blissfully naive. |
Who says Mohamed is a prophet ? The Quran.
Who says the Quran is from Allah ? The Quran and Mohamed.
Sorry it does not stand. Its called circular argument.
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Then let me ask you this... How do you know you are alive? How do you know you are awake? Maybe you are within a dream, and when you wake up you will be in another dream, and so on? Why do people take science at face value and teach it in school as part of the National Curriculum? Maybe a set of people want to indoctrinate us with a way of thinking that removes God from our lives?
The bottom line is, Where is the proof for anything? Where do you draw the line and say 'I am satisfied?'. |
The proof is that things work. Things do what they are supposed to do.
It can not get clearer then this.
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| Let us look for a moment at the Hijab. Think about this; How many women do you know of that have been raped and who wore Hijab/Niqab/Jalbab? |
So how come you have alot of rapes in Pakistan... ?
XXX :Oh oh let me answer this one.
Angel: Go ahead.
XXX: These are not true Muslims.
Angel: 
In Islam if a woman gets raped, you probably wont hear about it, you know because of the honor of the family.
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| Then think about the thousands of women each day that are raped, not because they deserve it, but their style of clothes inticed a man to sex. |
I find that the hijab is sexy, I want to find what's underneath it.
So I will rape you and say she turned me on with her hijab.
Your logic is false.
And did you know that 70% of rapists in swedeen are muslims ?
Did you know most cases of rape in Australian are commited by muslims ?
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| If a woman decides to become a prostitute, she doesn't choose a hijab, but chooses a short skirt and boob tube. |
A woman that chooses freeedom does not wear the hijab either.
A woman that is a leading figure or scientist does not wear the hijab either.
Whats your point ?
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| Therefore, Hijab is the best option for keeping sexual desire at bay. |
We are still waiting for the proof.
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Islam also prescribes marriage for people and non-marital relations are forbidden. Can this be bad?
Think about Aids, Herpes, Crabs, split condoms, unwanted pregnancies, single-parents, etc etc etc etc.
Marriage means responsibility, respect, trust, and love for one another and Allah. |
All religions prescribes that. So whats new ?
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| I think the above two examples are proof. And they are both prescribed in the Quran. |
I have another and better solution for lust and it comes from Jesus.
You see a beautiful woman, you start to have sexual thoughts ? Jesus says turn your f.cking head to the other way or look down.
Ok I admit it the "f.cking" word is mine. But I still believe turning your head is better then dressing woman as bags.
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| Inshallah you will let me know if you want me to explain in more detail or to ask furthur questions. |
We had thousands of people like you.
Allah does not exist. He died with Mohamed.
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"Islam is the fastest growing religion".
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"Empires rise and fall, but Ahmed's stupidity is eternal" |
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Aminah
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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Q. How can this religion that promotes killing and suffering be from God or be good?
A. Islam doesnt 'promote' anything. But Islam teaches.
As a teacher doesn't promote Mathematics, but teaches it.
When teaching, a teacher gives you the guidelines and the tools, but doesnt tell you the answer, otherwise there is no purpose of having a test.
Therefore 'judge not lest ye be judged' as there are no hard and fast rules in life as there are in maths.
Scenario: A man bursts through your door with a gun and kills your whole family leving only you alive. What would you do?
Allah hafiz
to be continued.... |
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diotima64
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Location: middleearth
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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| Aminah wrote: |
Q. How can this religion that promotes killing and suffering be from God or be good?
A. Islam doesnt 'promote' anything. But Islam teaches.
As a teacher doesn't promote Mathematics, but teaches it.
When teaching, a teacher gives you the guidelines and the tools, but doesnt tell you the answer, otherwise there is no purpose of having a test.
Therefore 'judge not lest ye be judged' as there are no hard and fast rules in life as there are in maths.
Scenario: A man bursts through your door with a gun and kills your whole family leving only you alive. What would you do?
Allah hafiz
to be continued.... |
What senseless drivel!
You even slither around your own rhethorical questions!
Whether islam "promotes" or "teaches" murder and suffering doesn´t make a whit of a difference to the victims of that blood-cult.
And do stop using the word of God (which you believe to be "corrupted" anyway) to back up your nonsense. |
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Aminah
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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Mash'allah!
What I am trying to emphasise is the fact that you cant compell someone to kill. The student of Islam has the tools and guideance from the Quran.
It is not for me to say that the way they interpret it is correct or false, only Allah (subhana wa ta ala) knows best, but I can have my own opinion.
It is clear that many of you haven't read the Quran and have selected verses to support your claim that Islam is a certain way.
But I am a Muslim, and I haven't killed anyone. Nor do I wish to kill anyone. Therefore claims that Islam facilitates killing is false. You have my testimony as proof. |
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diotima64
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Location: middleearth
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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Mash'allah!
What I am trying to emphasise is the fact that you cant compell someone to kill. The student of Islam has the tools and guideance from the Quran.
It is not for me to say that the way they interpret it is correct or false, only Allah (subhana wa ta ala) knows best, but I can have my own opinion.
It is clear that many of you haven't read the Quran and have selected verses to support your claim that Islam is a certain way.
But I am a Muslim, and I haven't killed anyone. Nor do I wish to kill anyone. Therefore claims that Islam facilitates killing is false. You have my testimony as proof. |
And you are incapable of logical reasoning, as your "non sequitur" shows.
Typical muslim logic. 
You yourself state that people DO use the koran as guidance and tool to kill, which, eo ipso, PROVES that it CAN be interpreted thusly and thus DOES facilitate killing.
The mere fact that YOU don´t read it that way (or claim to) doesn´t mean anything, and your refusal to even tell those murderous bastards that they are WRONG means, you are morally supporting them.
Apparently, the infallible, clear and eternal word of allah doesn´t give clear "guidance" after all, if people can get to so wildly different understandings ... (when you still have to explain, what YOUR understanding of "beat your wife" in 4.34 is, or "kill the kaffir" in numerous other verses...).
The only proof for islam´s truth I did see so far, is the stupidity of the muslimahs, proving that women (muslim ones, anyway), really ARE half-bright. |
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gonzophilosopher
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
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Location: Dar-Ul-Gehenna
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Aminah,
Can you please tell me your thoughts on the punishments under Sharia (Islamic law) for Apostasy, Adultary, theft and also the loophole for murder (where blood money can be paid to the victims family in exchange for absolution of the murderer).
Sharia law is based strictly on the teachings of Islam, especially the Quran. In your opinion is this a just and ethical legal system?
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Sciencemanevolved1981
Joined: 26 Dec 2005
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Location: New Mexico
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: Aminah is a ignorant Muslim |
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| Aminah is a ignorant Muslim, I'm glad Aminah you're a false Muslim. True Muslims learn from the Quran to kill. |
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Aminah
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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Absolutely Diotma64!
Everything is open to interpretation.
When studying English Literature two pupils with differing interpretations can both get an A*.
In Islam I am not the law, the legislature, the judiciary, or the police.
As I said before Islam is an individual and personal faith.
If a man kills an entire town of people, what should be the penalty? Should he be sentanced to death, sent to jail for life, or given a second chance?
We all have our own opinion, but Allah (subhana wa ta ala) has the final say on the Day of Judgement.
Islam is not as simple and clear cut as you are making it sound.
My advice to you is to read the Quran. |
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Angel
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This is the dumbest muslimah I have ever seen.
Mahiwal you lost the title.
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diotima64
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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You still don´t get it, do you? Nevermind, you´re a muslima - you are not supposed to think, anyway.
Hint: if the koran is mere literature - why does islam have so many LAWS? Laws don´t get treated and interpreted as mere literature - and your mullahs and imams and the shariah don´t treat the koran as such, either.
Ah, just as well - from a purely literary point of view, the koran is particularly mediocre, anyway. I could actually think of some legal codes, that outshine him... not to mention Shakespeare or Dostoevskji or REAL literature of renown...
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Aminah
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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Gonzophilosopher, Assalamu Aliakum...
I appreciate the mature manner with which you pose your questions, you are truly an inspiration.
I will research on this and get back to you Inshallah... |
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Aminah
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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A thought...
With or without Islam people will still kill each other.
So why not have rules and regulations regarding this.
Allah (subhana wa ta ala) addresses all aspects of life. |
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diotima64
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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| Aminah wrote: |
A thought...
With or without Islam people will still kill each other.
So why not have rules and regulations regarding this.
Allah (subhana wa ta ala) addresses all aspects of life. |
There IS a clear rule, you moron: Thou shalt NOT kill. No exceptions for killing kafirs, btw...  What more would you need? |
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doubtless
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome.
What a pretty name. I think it was the name of the mother of your prophet.
I always thought it was rather harsh of your Allah to condemn that Aminah to hell because she was a pagan and had not accepted any of the paths of the prophets. And then because she was dead and in hell, the rasul was not even allowed to pray for her. I guess because of that I could never really warm up to Allah's mercy or compassion. I decided I prefer to join that Aminah, your namesake, in whatever hell Allah has put her.
Dear lady with a pretty name, if you do find any real mistakes at the site please do point them out. |
doubtless if you continue with your evil ways, i assure you, you wont be with bibi Amina...She was not sent a Prophet whose scriptures were meant for later generations like you have Muhammad,
Most certainly then We will question those to whom (the messengers) were sent, and most certainly We will also question the messengers; 7 |
Mahiwal,
I think you have already said that muhammed did not follow the quran very well. Poor Bibi Aminah gets sent to hell because she was neither a christian nor a jew at that moment in history but a pagan. Are you saying all of the earlier prophets that Islam has tried to exappropriate were not for later generations? Not musa, not isa, not nuh etc. etc?
I do consider it to be evil of allah to put bibi Aminah in hell.
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