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doubtless
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 6442
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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Doubtless,
To say that I respect a 'peadophile butcher' is insulting, not because you are calling the Prophet (Peace be upon Him) these names, but because of what you are implying about me. If I was to worship a paedophile, that would make me a paedophile aswell. I am not one, so therefore I do not worship what you suggest.
Also, I do not worship the Prophet (Peace be upon Him), I worship Allah.
If I was to worship the Prophet(Peace be upon Him) I would be conducting myself in the same way a Christian does for the Prophet Jesus (Peace be upon Him).
Allah is worthy of all worship. |
Dear Aminah, I have no intention of insulting you. You insulted yourself. And you have done it again. Allah is certainly not worthy of any worship let alone all worship. You flaunt your ignorance and lack of knowledge about allah and muhammed when you insist on making such a ridiculous statement like allah is worthy of all worship.
And I am sorry to tell you but you do worship a pedophile butcher. You bless that monster every time you say your salat. My goodness, five times a day, you shower blessings upon an evil dead barbarian beduoin and then you turn around and want to say you do not worship him?
You do have a strange way of showing how much you respect the kaffirs. _________________ Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."
Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!" |
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jjreynolds
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: To the Author |
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I am pleased to see that we have two devout muslimah on this thread Animah and Mahiwal because I would like to ask both of you a few questions regarding Allah's intentions in creating the female gender
I know that by nature we are all created in equal parts from the genetic material of our mother and our father. Is this Allah's design? Did he intend that the female of the species has as much importance in his design for the human race as has a man?
If Allah did create Man and Woman as equals did he give them the same level of intellectual capability or rather did he give Woman a weaker intellect?
Also are females more prone in the eyes of Allah to lying and deceit. Am I to trust my mother's word less than my father's word because Allah made the words of a woman inheritantly less trustworthy than those of a man?
In terms of sexual desires did Allah create the female gender with lesser desires than those of a man? Is this the reason why Islam permits a man to have four wives at any one time but a woman can have only one husband?
Allah also made men more physically powerful than women. Is it Allah's plan therefore that men can use their superior strength to have sex with a female even if the female does not wish to have sex with the male. Must the female submit to the sexual advances of a male because Allah made the male dominant ? I know that Mohammad allowed his follower's to have sex with female captives- was that because Allah instructed him so?
Please advise me so that I can gain more knowledge about the teaching of Islam |
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Aminah
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 174
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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Mash'allah jjreynolds!
Thankyou for your welcome, I am also glad we have an educated and well mannered participant in the forum, may Allah put Islam into your heart.
To answer your questions, I think Mahiwal will be more efficient in answering each one in turn.
As for me, I do not know the answer to these questions. I have an idea, but it would be irresponsible of me to write my opinions here as fact.
Allah (subhana wa ta ala) knows best.
As a female however, I can fill you in on how it feels to be a woman, as Allah (subhana wa ta ala) has created us different so that we may know one another.
I feel strong (if I exercise!), intelligent (when I study and utilise knowledge), as equal as a man but of a different nature, and with regards to sexual desire, I will keep that private as discussing this on a personal level I feel would be inappropriate.
Allah (subhana wa ta ala) has descibed us as equal, but different.
A wild example: The X-Men, all are powerful but have different/unique powers. |
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doubtless
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Bibi Aminah,
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Seriously, is this really the way to show respect to others?
You might as well say, may satan put dog poop all over your child's food. Really is that any way to talk to people? Please try to learn to be civil at least. _________________ Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."
Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!" |
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Aminah
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 174
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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Doubtless,
What are you so scared about?!
You say that Allah doesnt exist!Then why do I insult you so much?
If Islam was put into your heart you would be supporting me and most of all Allah (subhana wa ta ala)
Insh'allah you will see. |
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yeezevee
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 17109
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Aminah: What are you so scared about?!
You say that Allah doesnt exist! Then why do I insult you so much?
If Islam was put into your heart you would be supporting me and most of all Allah (subhana wa ta ala)
Insh'allah you will see. |
What is Allah, Who is Allah, where is Allah dear Aminah??
with best
yeezevee |
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doubtless
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 6442
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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| Aminah wrote: |
Doubtless,
What are you so scared about?!
You say that Allah doesnt exist!Then why do I insult you so much?
If Islam was put into your heart you would be supporting me and most of all Allah (subhana wa ta ala)
Insh'allah you will see. |
Bibi Aminah,
I know the followers of the dead pedophile butcher are taught to be terrified of hell fire, punishment of the grave, and all the other nice goodies that allah has in store for his creation, but believe me, dear, I am not trying to be helpful because I am scared.
Please really think, you insulted the christians by saying that you do not want to be like them worshipping jesus, and I assume you really do not want to be like the hindus worshipping the idol of kali. Would it be polite if I said "if dharama awoke in your heart, you would be singing devtional songs for mother kali", and may your children and their children be real devotees of Kukulcan.
Okay, I hope Quetzalcoatl opens your heart and Enki willing you will see. _________________ Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."
Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!" |
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Aminah
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 174
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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Allah (subhana wa ta ala) is the Creator.
Did you ever notice how everything moves in perfect harmony?
The Sun, the Moon, Seasons, Night, and Day?
As Humans we have been given the gift of reason, rationality, self-control, and independence, (to name but a few).
We are different from Animals in that we have these qualities. Although, I don't feel that we are superior to animals, but we have our differences.
Animals, if you observe them, have their own laws of nature.
As for humans, we still cannot come to a consensus of opinion.
A 'Utopia' is unlikely to happen unless the Atheists kill, or 'convert' everyone, or the Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Kabbalists etc etc kill or 'convert' their adversaries, as a Utopia is relative; it depends on persons views, my Utopia may be your version of Hell.
Islam, and Allah (subhana wa ta ala), has no hesitation in recognising the fact that we all cant agree. That is why we are split into groups; those who folow the truth (beliver) and those who don't (non-believer).
Life is not clear cut.
And neither is Islam; it is not an 'easy' religion, it takes patience, strength of character, morality, trust, and faith - which is not granted by having the name 'muslim' on your birth certificate- you have to earn it-that is how you go through this test on earth and Insh'allah pass the test on the day of judgement. |
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Aminah
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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Doubtless,
If you choose a path, and you believe strongly in your heart that it is the right path, then why not share it with others so that they may join you?
If a Hindu wanted me to convert because they wished the best for me then Mash'allah, this will give me respect for the Hindu and in turn pray for the best for that person.
However, if that same Hindu failed to listen to what I had to say and didn't show me the same courtesy and respect, then as a muslim, I will still pray that Allah will put Islam into their hearts.
I have not witnessed this level of coutesy amoung many people except muslims.I hope I am wrong.
Our aim is to please Allah, I don't have any worldly benefits of you or anyone else reverting to Islam. |
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Aminah
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 174
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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An excerpt from a MSN conversation I just had:
affu says:
I wish to contribute a few thoughts on this topic of Islam spreading by the "Sword" rather than continue on a debate which usually takes place and most of the time it's useless arguements. So here is the case...
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never br
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-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. " (Qur'an 2:256)
1. What Invasion took place in Indonesia that it is now the most populated Muslim country in the world?
2. What Invasion took place in places like Malaysia where it has now become a Muslim country?
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3. Who invaded the Monguls, possibly the most feared Empire ever, which later "fell" to Islam? (The Mongul Emperor who invaded Baghdad became a Muslim...)
4. Why is it that 80% of India are full of Hindus today? If Islam was barbaric and spread by the sword shouldn't all nations under Islam "force" the people to accept or die (an image of 12th Century Crusades which apparently still exists amongs
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5. Numerous examples showed that since the time of the Prophet Muhammad (saw), War was forced on the Muslims. Not just from the Pre-Islamic Arabs but even the Byzantine Empire which first invaded but failed under Emperor Heraclus.
6. What about men like Moinudeen Chisti (ra) who travelled to India and with his faith brought 9 million to Islam? One man couldn't simply conquer 9 million all on his
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own now can he unless he was Superman with a sword?
7. Is Islam spreading by the sword today? Why is it the most successful Religion in the world (in terms of Converts)? Sure it may be the second largest, fastest growing (of course population should be taken accounted for too) but why are even Westerners coming to Islam?
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The real question is how was the Islamic Civlization back a thousand years ago under the rule of a large land from Spain to North Africa to Russia to India? When you look back you find the most advanced civilization in the world at that time. A world that did embrace all sorts of knowledge from the fields of Science (eg. Earth was "round", it was first realized in the Qur'an, way before th
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Columbus-Fantasy") the fields of Medicine (modern practice originated from the civilization, things like eye surgery is a great example), the fields of technology, mathematics, Greek knowledge was learned when it was rediscovered in the 9th century etc.
affu says:
This doesn't mean necessarily that all Islamic leaders were perfect, of course not. It's like saying was every American President for the people? Unfortunately this world collapsed from economic and foriegn invasions which is why you have issues in the 21st Century.
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The Western World very much likes to ignore the contribution of the Islamic Civlization. But you can easily find influence in part of the Western World from the muswak (tool to brush your teeth) to even our graduation caps when we graduate from High School or College (It was an Ottoman Sufi tradition, the "beads of string" that pops out of the cap was used to remind the Sufis of God's awareness).
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Unfortunately most people don't want to hear things like this, they just love to have the image of "an Islamic Civilization" who were a people that wore turbans, danced around yelling out and carrying swords ready to kill and invade other countries and force people into Islam and who hated to learn and were backwards and all they do is beat their wives and oppress everyone and...yah you get the picture |
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doubtless
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 6442
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Bibi Aminah,
there you go again with your illah billah stuff. At a drop of pin, you have to sing the arabic mumbo jumbo to prove to your allah it seems that you love arabic, allah's language.
Now dear, the notion of perfect harmony, is fairly old and the ancient greeks started that routine a long long time ago. The singers and praisers have moved onto the magic of chaos, the non-determinism and uncertainity and unpredictability of nature. Harmony and orbits are really centuries old science.
Have you been keeping up with the news, and following the harmony that is unfolding in Darfur? Do you what the followers of the pedo prophet are doing to the poor women there? I think most people would be happy to have any utopia if the Allah hu akbar shouters would not behead them at the drop of a pin.
And you do have a habit of insulting implanted in you. Truth is on the side of the believers? I guess you really cannot help yourself. Islam is quite clear cut. It is evil plain and simple. And all the lies taught to you that you are so obediently regurgitating will not fool anyone anymore. _________________ Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."
Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!" |
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doubtless
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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That nonsense from MSN. There was a bengali babu recently who was throwing that up at me not so long ago. I think it might still be posted in effect of islam on muslims thread somewhere. Talking about Indonesia, I can go into indonesian history if you like and Islam's effect but here is something from the present here and now:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/
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Forced Islamisation
Background to recent attempts to stamp out Christianity in Indonesia from Paul Stenhouse, PhD:
THE person speaking had lived through it all. He was from the Moluccas - the Spice Islands of legend - and had been there most of his adult life. He was a Catholic and spoke from experience of people and events known to him at first hand. The tale he told of friends and communities betrayed, and innocents tortured and murdered without qualm or mercy, was heart-rending. All the more so because it need never have happened; and because it reflected badly on those who were obliged to prevent it: the Indonesian government and the International Community, especially the UN and its International Court of Justice.
It also exposed an unpalatable truth: that evil, cruelty and plain stupidity lie just beneath the surface of our seemingly humdrum lives, waiting to be summoned like the ring-wraiths and orcs in Tolkien’s classic metaphor of the human struggle of good against evil. Without compassionate and humane solidarity with those who suffer and are oppressed, our world becomes an uninhabitable jungle. There, as the pagan Roman playwright Plautus warned us, ‘homo homini lupus,’ man preys on his fellow men like a wolf, and fear and hopelessness dominate where once was love.
During 1997 and 1998 more than 500 Catholic and Protestant churches were burnt down throughout Indonesia. The figure is conservative, as, according to some estimates, more than 350 churches were burned down in the first months of 1998 alone. The Christians were weaponless and politically powerless. They were a minority in a Muslim country. They made no effective response.
This church-burning had been mainly restricted to Java and Sumatra including Aceh. Since 1968 more than 1,000 Indonesian churches had been burned down or demolished. The problem had not yet touched the Moluccas – mainly because Christians comprise 50 % of the population and relations between Muslims and their Christian neighbours were good.
By January 1999 all this had changed. When Christians in Kupang – the capital of West Timor – finally retaliated by burning down two mosques this act was regarded by Muslims as an affront by the 'Christian dogs,' - the infidels - and in January 1999 several people were killed in Dobu, in the Aru Islands.
Not long afterwards, on January 19, 1999, the killing started in Ambon, capital of the Moluccas.
A Christian driver of a minibus refused to give into extortion when a young Muslim demanded money; a fight started and people took sides and it quickly spread to the whole of the island. Muslims came from Hitulama and butchered many people – about twenty in the village of Benteng Kareng including one or more pregnant women - because they had heard that the mosque in Ambon was surrounded. The Christians then heard that the Silo Protestant Church had been burnt and destroyed. Tensions mounted.
The Catholics in Ambon were mainly immigrants from nearby islands and from other parts of Indonesia. The Ambonese were Protestants from Dutch colonial times, and Muslims. So the Catholics tended to stay out of the conflict - not regarding it as 'their fight'. This all changed when the Laskar Jihad arrived in May 2000. The Mujahidun in their distinctive white robes and caps, and brandishing machetes and guns, did not distinguish between Catholics and Protestants.
The Catholics and the Chinese subsequently suffered terrible material losses, but fewer of them were killed than the Protestant Ambonese because they fled back to their islands since they had no weapons with which to defend themselves, and they had fewer family estates to defend than their Protestant neighbours.
These latter on the other hand had weapons, and because they were locals, had nowhere to go. Ambon was their home, and they had been there longer than many of the Muslims who had taken part in early large-scale migration from Bugis, Buton and Makassar, or had arrived only after 1949 in this part of the Moluccas under government sponsored transmigration from Java. This partly explains the reaction of the Protestants to the violence of the Laskar Jihad and the local Muslims.
The Muslims looted and burnt the shops and homes of the Catholics and Protestants. Local Muslims also suffered damage to their homes and shops, but the military were ordered not to fire against the Muslims. Sometimes they did so. Mujahidun snipers controlled certain areas, and particularly bridges that Christians had to use, but the police never caught them.
Agence France Press [AFP] reported that east of the capital, Ambon. Muslims massacred 93 Christians on Kasui, a small island in Indonesia's Moluccas chain, for refusing to convert to Islam.
Annals hasn’t been able to confirm this number. But reliable sources confirm that all attacks by the Mujahidun on this occasion [November 23-26, 2000] took place at about 6.00 a.m. and that an estimated 3,000 Muslim fighters were involved.
The village of Utta was attacked on November 23, resulting in the burning of a church and 4 houses. Karlomin was attacked on November 24, resulting in several residents being killed, others wounded, and a number of houses burned. On November 25, it was the turn of Wunin to be attacked. The Catholic church, a school and 100 houses were burned. The village of Tanasoa became target of an attack on November 26: several Christians were killed, a church, a school and a number of houses were burned.
270 people from these villages managed to escape to the neighbouring island of Teor. More than 700 Catholics and Protestants subsequently agreed to convert in fear of their lives.
The victims were among and estimated 3,000 refugees who fled into the jungle when Islamic mujahidun attacked four [other] villages on November 28, according to AFP.
Associated Press [AP] reported similar attacks earlier in the week [referred to above] that destroyed two Christian churches and left 54 villagers dead. The soldiers reportedly pursued the villagers and forced captives to choose between Islam and death.
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Now 80 million dead hindus is not enough? The worshippers of the pedo prophet want to take credit that they were unable to kill more? I assume if Islam had had the modern technology they may have acheived killing all the hindus. _________________ Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."
Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!" |
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yeezevee
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Aminah: Allah (subhana wa ta ala) is the Creator.
Did you ever notice how everything moves in perfect harmony?
The Sun, the Moon, Seasons, Night, and Day? |
yes I did, But why Allah? you can call that by any name, why not call just a creator unless you are of Arab background. People whose langauge is NOT arabic., they can name that Allah as they want, can't they?? and Where is Allah dear Aminah?.. what Judgement day.. what is that??
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| I wish to contribute a few thoughts on this topic of Islam spreading by the "Sword" rather than continue on a debate which usually takes place and most of the time it's useless arguements. So here is the case. |
Good.. Good, yes you should, you seem to have a decent Islamic History background.Here is the link for you to go through. Your language is getting better., don't allow your borther to type in on your name unless he learns English well from you..
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15311
with best
yeezevee.
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Aminah
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 174
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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Doubtless, Mash'allah I admire your spirit!
But, I realise that to talk to you about Islam now, at his time in your life, is useless.
You have your own agenda.
If you want to discuss history you have to accept the flip side of the coin; muslims have killed hindus, but hindus have also killed muslims.
If you cant accept the flip side then you are biased.
I cannot talk to someone who doesnt have an open mind.
May Allah grant you patience and an open mind.
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doubtless
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Assalamu Alaikum... |
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| Aminah wrote: |
Doubtless,
If you choose a path, and you believe strongly in your heart that it is the right path, then why not share it with others so that they may join you?
If a Hindu wanted me to convert because they wished the best for me then Mash'allah, this will give me respect for the Hindu and in turn pray for the best for that person.
However, if that same Hindu failed to listen to what I had to say and didn't show me the same courtesy and respect, then as a muslim, I will still pray that Allah will put Islam into their hearts.
I have not witnessed this level of coutesy amoung many people except muslims.I hope I am wrong.
Our aim is to please Allah, I don't have any worldly benefits of you or anyone else reverting to Islam. |
But dear, aminah bibi, do you not see that we are convinced that you have been fooled into following an evil deity allah and muhammed was a son of female canine, and we tell you this because we want the best for you? Have I not been courteous to you? I am trying as nicely and as politely as possible to tell you that it is very insulting of you to keep thrusting your evil allah down our throats. We want you to get out of your evil cult if you can, but if you cannot and you insist on worshipping your pedophile prophet, then at least have the courtesy of not wishing that evil upon us. Now why can you not understand that simple a request?
The christians are a tad agressive and they will come around push poor jesus upon others but atleast no one charges jesus of mass murder and pedophilia as muhammed is known to have done. And even so, you tell the christians and they will stop imposing their beliefs upon others, unlike the muhammedans who insist on spouting their illah billah non-stop. I hope you can see that. _________________ Ali Sina: "The truth is out there for those who want to see it. It is beyond doubt."
Rg Veda: "He who surveys it in the highest heaven; He surely knows - or maybe He does not!" |
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