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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:40 am Post subject: Quoting Ali Sina -Part IV. |
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Quoting Ali Sina, Part IV.
Part I: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25282
Part 2: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27305
Part 3: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28021
Part IV will be made of some of Ali's 2005's articles, divided into 6 posts
Part V: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30158
A Message to Henchmen of Allah
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50104.htm
4.01-- What kind of god is this Allah that gets offended by people’s criticism to the extents that has to assassinate them? Is such a petulant god worthy of worship? (…) Bombing innocent people is satanic, assassinations are satanic, massacring children is satanic, stoning, flogging, maiming, gouging the eyes, cutting the limbs, honor-killings are all satanic.
Why Can't Islam be Reformed? (sina50116.htm)
4.02-- This is what happens in cult compounds. The members lose their identity and surrender their rational faculty to the guru. (…) The cultish nature of Islam has not changed a bit. Fourteen hundred years later, if you join Islam, you are received with cheers and hugs, but if you decide to leave, you’ll be chased down and killed.
4.03-- We are at the most crucial juncture in the existence of our species. Why? Because over a billion people are possessed by the ghost of a psychopath! They are reduced to zombies! (…) They follow this dead man’s scripts, and they will not relent until they destroy the world.
Honor Killing (sina50128.htm)
4.04-- Women are asked to; “stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display” Quran 33.33. A woman who transgresses these orders becomes the source of shame to her family. She will not be marriageable, she and her family become the object of gossip of everyone. The entire family can lose prestige. No one would give a daughter to the brothers of that girl in marriage and no one would marry her sisters. The family and even the extended family are maligned and become outcasts. This can only stop if the family cleanses that stain with blood. The woman thus defiled must be sacrificed even if she is a victim of rape.
4.05-- You don’t have to be raped to become an exposed awrah and bring shame to your family. If you disobey your father who has consented that you marry a certain person you dishonor him. If you escape from your home for any reason including abuse, you have brought shame to your family and you could be haunted by your own brothers or even your mother and killed. If you reject a suitor, his pride can be injured and he may feel the urge to throw acid at your face to avenge and restore his honor.
4.06-- Honor killing is theoretically against the law in all Islamic countries, but generally the sentences are light. Often they are a year of jail or only a few months. The judges are very "understanding" and sympathize with the killers.
The Mad Mad Mad World (sina50129.htm)
4.07-- Now Imagine this sick Allah would forgive all other sins except shirk (ascribing partners to him). A mass murderer like Saddam is forgiven, but Mother Teresa will not be forgiven because she believed in Trinity. Khomeini will be forgiven but Gandhi and Dalai Lama will be burnt in hell. (…) Can't you see Muhammad was only desperate that people worship him? Allah was just an excuse.
4.08-- Muhammad beheaded people and slept with their wives in the same night. He fooled his followers to such an extent that one of them allowed him to sleep with his 9-year-old child. What kind of person can have sexual feelings for a 9-year-old child?
4.09-- Do you really want us to believe the God of this universe is a psychopath like Muhammad? (…) Allah appears to be more concerned about the sexual needs of his prophet than the lives of tens of thousands of innocent people that he destroyed. Do you really want us to believe that God was a pimp of Muhammad?
4.10-- What insanity is this that in this day and age a billion people believe in absurdities, feed their minds with lies, fill their hearts with hatred of their fellow beings, and are ready to commit atrocities and blow up this world? What insanity is this that their to-be victims, those who are the objects of the hatred of these billion zombies, do nothing to stop this madness and accept the rights of these benighted souls to continue with their insanity, to promote their hatred and to plan for the destruction of the world? This is indeed a mad, mad, mad world.
You Are Hurting Me (sina50301.htm)
4.11-- Hundreds of millions of innocent people were killed and billions of lives were shattered, during these 1400 years, because of this man’s lies. The deaths and devastations continue. Women are abused in Islamic countries because of this man’s lies. Those children in Beslan were raped and massacred because of this man’s lies. The thousand of innocent Iraqis that are blown up on daily basis by the followers of Muhammad are being sacrificed for this man’s lies.
This Site Under Attack (sina50304.htm)
4.12-- For 1400 years Muslims advanced through deceptions and terror. The terror continues but thanks to the Internet their lies and deceptions are busted. Deception and terror are the two arms of Islam. Terror alone cannot make them win and with the Internet their arm of deception is chopped. To compensate, they have increased the terror.
4.13-- Islam is not a religion of peace hijacked by bad people but rather it is a cult of hate that has hijacked good people.
4.14-- The followers of other religions leave their faiths but with no hard feelings. That is not the case with ex-Muslims.
Fighting Against a Phantom (sina50407.htm)
4.15-- Everyone has bad moments. Everyone goes through crisis in life and may want to seek comfort in religion. But when a Muslim goes through crisis and seeks comfort in his religion, he is likely to become a terrorist.
4.16-- The problem with us, our experts and our governments is that we have not yet recognized the cause of terrorism and are unwilling to see the role of Islam in it. We are fighting the shadow of the enemy while sleeping with him, protecting him and trusting him.
4.17-- Denying that Islam has anything to do with Islamic terrorism is like denying germs have anything to do with contagious diseases and claiming the patient who up until yesterday was healthy, was sick from the start and was feigning health.
4.18-- Muslims are not born terrorists; they are good humans no different from the rest of us. They become terrorists when they seek their religion for spiritual guidance.
4.19-- The enemy is Islam. It is not people, it is an ideology. It is this plague that we have to fight and eradicate, not its potential victims. (…) Ignorance is lethal. Knowledge is the antidote.
Why do you Hate me? (sina50410.htm)
4.20-- Playing the role of the victim is part of the Islamic game of deceit (…) This is psychopathology. In no place I ever said kill Muslims. So what is the ground of this desperate plea of "spare my life please"? This proves my point when I say Muhammad was a psychopath and his mental sickness is reflected in all his followers. Why you follow that monster? If you don’t hate anyone and do not want to kill anyone just leave Islam.
4.21-- Muhammad was evil and you follow him. You do whatever he told you to do because you think by doing that he will send you to heaven. Do you think the terrorists who behead innocent people and blow them up think they are evil? No, they think they are doing God’s work. They follow Muhammad and do evil. You believe in Muhammad too. So how can we trust you?
4.22-- If you want to stick to your dangerous cult and act psychotically what else can we do but to watch you? How do we know when you are going to become a faithful Muslim and a suicide bomber? With this kind of paranoia and the feeling of victimization you are half way there. All the other terrorists were just like you.
4.23-- Not all the brainwashed followers of Asahara committed terrorism. But all of them were ready to do whatever their guru told them. They considered it an honor to follow his orders. They thought he knows best and they are not in a position to question his wisdom. They all posed a potential danger to society. The same applies to Muslims.
How Much Islam is Responsible for Making Muslims Terrorists? (sina50413.htm)
4.24-- Many Islamic countries actively and systematically promote the hatred of the Jews, the America and the West in general. You must see yourself as the victim and the non-Muslims as the oppressors in order to hate them enough to kill them. A great number of Muslims, perhaps the majority, are at this stage. Not all these Muslims are going to become terrorists, but a great majority of them are convinced that America and particularly the Jews are responsible for everything that is wrong in their lives. Just read what they write on the Internet and you’ll see their favourite line of “defence of Islam” is to blame the Jews and America.
4.25-- When young Muslims in crisis seek spiritual guidance from their holy book, they expose themselves to the negative influence of the Quran and the seed of becoming a jihadi aka terrorist is sown in their minds. Life is already meaningless; suicide does not seem like a bad idea. In Islam you can have your cake and eat it too. You can become a martyr – end your miserable life and gain the rewards of the afterlife too.
4.26-- Jihad and martyrdom are the essence of Islam. Who is that Muslim who can oppose it?
4.27-- The problem is that all those conditions that prepare a Muslim to become a terrorist are also caused by the Quran. These conditions are not cultural, ethnic, political or economical. They are religious. The hatred of the Jews and the non-Muslims has its roots in the Quran. Most of the crises that Muslim youth face, like lack of opportunity and loss of hope, are also the result of the failure of Islam in solving the real problems of Muslims and particularly the youth.
4.28-- One more factor (...) is the lack of self-esteem and the prevalent feeling of worthlessness among Muslims, and Islam’s pedagogic fiasco in rearing confident, positive and successful humans. Terrorists are losers who seek their glory in martyrdom. That too is the direct consequence of the failure of Islamic paradigm.
4.29-- Islam does not only provide the ultimate spark, it also prepares Muslims throughout their lives to become failures, haters and terrorists. It gives them distorted values and trains them slowly to accept stupidity as a praiseworthy sacrifice and murder as a divine act. Islam is entirely responsible for Islamic terrorism. If we fail to see that, we have failed in our diagnosis. _________________ Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.
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Quoting Ali Sina, part IV (2/6).
The Eradication of Islam (sina50414.htm)
4.30-- Although we can say ''eradication of communism” or “eradication of Nazism”, I never heard eradication being used for people such as eradicating communists or Nazis. It is always used for undesirable things such as cancer, crime, prostitution, etc. You can’t even use it for good things. For example you can’t say eradication of health, eradication of wealth, eradication of happiness. (...) I suppose we are confusing the word eradication with extermination which is entirely a different diction. (…) We are not calling for the “eradication of Muslims”. Apart from being an error in syntax, this is not our call. Muslims are people and Islam is an ideology. We are talking about the eradication of an ideology not the extermination of a people.
4.31-- Certainly we can't live with Islam. Or better said, Islam cannot live with us.
4.32-- You don’t punish people for being mistaken. We don’t have a law to punish people for what they believe. Those things happen in Islam not in civilized societies.
4.33-- We can’t descend to the level of Muslims and lose our humanity. I am not suggesting to “instill terror in the hearts of the Muslims” or “slay them wherever ye find them” as the Quran says should be done to non-Muslims.
4.34-- There is no need for violence. The idea is to eradicate a false doctrine of hate and win its victims as friends and allies. You can’t eradicate a belief with violence and use of force. Communists tried to eradicate religions with force and they failed. False beliefs can only be eradicated through education.
4.35-- People tend to cover their eyes when they come out of total darkness and are suddenly exposed to light. This reaction is normal and quite understandable. (...) They will keep denying, until they can no more. The passage from faith to enlightenment is not an easy one.
Joooz Try to Give Islam Bad Name. --Note: Ali is using irony... (sina50429.htm)
4.36-- Islam has nothing to do with the fact that Muslims are poor. It is all fault of the Westerners who read the Quran and steal all the science from it and leave nothing for the Muslims.
4.37-- All those ugly violent verses that exist in the Quran that call the Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (2:191),
murder them and treat them harshly (9:123),
slay them (9:5), fight against them (8;65),
strive against them with great endeavor (25:52),
be stern with them because they belong to hell (66:9)
and strike off their heads; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” for ransom (47:4), are placed into the holy Quran by the Joooz. Islam means peace. All those terrorists are Joooz. All those who during the time of our holy prophet looted innocent people, massacred men and raped their women were Joooz. They wanted to give Islam bad name. Muslims never do such things.
4.38-- The Joooz invented Shiism, Wahhabism and all sorts of Islamic isms to make Muslims fight among each other. Joooz killed millions of Shiites pretending to be Sunnis and then they killed millions of Sunnis pretending to be Shiites. Even today these Joooz go to the churches and synagogues in Pakistan, Turkey and Iraq, bomb and kill the minorities to give bad name to Islam. Islam teaches peace. Muslims never do such things.
4.39-- Muslims don’t have double standards. This sister (N.S. Haque) is on one hand legitimizing the "right" of his brothers to be terrorists and on the other hand she is saying they should be moderate terrorists. This is not double standard. This is Islamic standard.
4.40-- The Quran is a manual of terror. This book must have been written by Joooz. Islam is a religion of peace. It never teaches those things that are in the Quran.
The Two Faces of Islam? (sina50502.htm)
4.41-- While it is true that Wahhabism is responsible for the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, it is not true that non-Wahhabi Islam is tolerant. For instance, the Hezbullah brand of Islam that came to power in Iran in 1979 and now is also active in Lebanon, has nothing to do with Wahhabism. In fact, these two sects are antagonistic toward each other. However, the Hezbollahis are no less virulent than the Wahhabis.
4.42-- Sufi saint Sheikh Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624) who was the head of the Naqshbandi wrote: "The honor of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs (infidels). One who respects the kafirs dishonors the Muslims.
4.43-- Jews and Christians are called dhimmis (protected people). They are called so, because Islamic law protects their lives, on the condition that they pay a protection fee, called Jizyah, with “willing submission and feel themselves subdued” (9:29). When a dhimmi used to take his jizyah to the Islamic authority, he had to be submissive, and despite this, the Mullah slapped him, insulted him and kicked him, even though symbolically, in order to humiliate him and comply with the spirit of the law.
4.44-- The history of Islam is a history of intolerance, violence and discrimination. There is no such thing as “tolerant Islam”. The real Islam is the radical Islam. What is known as the tolerant Islam is "less-Islam". Islamic societies are tolerant to the degree that they are un-Islamic. The more they practice the Quran, the more intolerant they become.
4.45-- As long as Islam dominates the minds and the hearts of Muslims, terrorism, assassinations, beheadings, human right violations, tortures, and all other atrocities that are now the hallmark of Islam will not end.
4.46-- The problem with Islam is not caused because Muslims do not practice their religion, but because some do.
4.47-- In April 2001, in an article entitled “Islam Is the Real Source of Violence” I warned the West that they should take Islam seriously. I wrote: “The West is not immune to Islamic terrorism. With the growth of the Muslim population in Europe and America, the citizens of these two continents should expect to see more terrorism, and on bigger scales.” This was five months before the 9/11 tragedy. It is sad to see that my prediction came to pass. But now I have an even more ominous prediction. If things don’t change, if we continue with our mindless PC definition of Islam, we are going to face the greatest calamity humanity has ever faced and this could happen within the coming 20 years.
The Fall of Europe (sina50525.htm)
4.48-- Prohibiting criticism of Islam is like prohibiting criticism of Judaism or Christianity. No one in his right mind would suggest criticism of these religions should be banned. The very fact that these religions have reformed and have adapted to modern times is because they were criticized. Only during the inquisition, criticism of Christianity was against the law. Are we trying to introduce Islamic inquisition to appease Muslims? Are we trying to institute the blasphemy law that is practiced in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran to make Muslims happy? This is insane!
4.49-- Doctrines that advocate the hatred of people must be criticized and banned, not protected. How can we protect the rights of people to life and to freedom if at the same time we protect doctrines that incite hatred against them? If someone calls Muslims filthy, untouchable, impure, he is inciting hate. He should be stopped. This is clearly a racial insult. But the Quran calls all of us who are not Muslims najis (filthy, impure).
4.50—(Oriana) Fallaci wrote that terrorists had killed 6,000 people over the past 20 years in the name of the Quran and said the Islamic faith "sows hatred in the place of love and slavery in the place of freedom." Fallaci spoke the truth. These are facts, not her opinion. Adel Smith, president of the Muslim Union of Italy, sued the writer, claiming that Ms Fallaci’s book is offensive to Muslims. So what? The Quran is offensive to all Mankind.
4.51-- Curtailing freedom of speech, specially banning criticism of a doctrine of hate is foolishly dangerous. Europe is playing with fire. The path that Europe has taken today will lead to its fall before the end of this century, but more likely it will auto disintegrate in a civil war in the next two or three decades. _________________ Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.
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Quoting Ali Sina, part IV (3/6).
Combat Stupidity with Humiliation (sina50529.htm)
4.52-- Islam is a religion of idiocy. Its followers pride themselves in their blind faith. It is a fideistic religion, where faith is valued more than rational thought.
4.53-- Muslims are bent to take over the world through deceptive strategies. One group of them commits all sorts of crimes against humanity and the other group, says: Ah! but these are not true Muslims. (…) One group quotes the Quran to cause mayhem and the other group says these are misguided. If anyone says any thing against Islam the entire Muslim world enters in a state of frenzied mass hysteria, lives are destroyed everywhere and they demand apologies from everyone.
4.54-- Islam is based on stupidity, not on reason. It is psychopathology. Muhammad was a psychopath. We have a billion people emulating a psychopath. How shall we deal with these people? Leaving them alone is not an option. Islam is evil and as Edmund Burke said, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
4.55-- The more stupid you are the better Muslim you are. The allegedly “good” Muslims are the liars, the deniers, the hypocrites. These hypocrites wear a mask of moderation and claim Islam is a religion of peace. “Oh brother you don’t know Islam, Islam means peace. You must find the original Quran that the Saudis have hidden somewhere and don’t allow anyone to see. If you don’t know Arabic you can’t understand the Quran, all the two dozen translations of the Quran are corrupt. Arabic cannot be translated into any other language. All ahadith are false, all the history of Muhammad depicting him as a tyrant monster are forged by Jews. Islam is much like hippies during the sixties. It is all about love and peace and flowers.” I am sick of it.
4.56-- Humiliation is a very effective method to counter this insanity. These brainless people are craving for their narcissistic supply, which they get from each other in the highly cultic atmosphere of Islam. We must cut off that supply. They must see that there is a price to pay for following the path of stupidity. The biggest mistake is toleration. We must not tolerate evil (intolerance).
4.57-- To convince themselves to wear the degrading hijab, Muslims have associated the concept of “modesty” to it. Hijab has nothing to do with modesty. It is a statement of defiance of the western values, of democracy and it is the sign of arrogance. We have to counter this image. Muslim women wearing hijab are given a false sense of superiority. They are made to believe that other women are sluts and sex objects and only they are modest and hence superior. This, like anything else in Islam, is a false belief.
4.58-- Women wearing hijab are actually regarding themselves as sex objects and not those who don’t wear it and then humiliate them. The rationality of this argument will have little effect on a people who deride reason but humiliation will.
4.59-- Muhammad said women are 'awrat. 'Awrat means pudendum, the external genitalia especially of a woman. People cover their genitals, but not the rest of their body. Muslim women who cover all their body are making the statement that they are vagina from head to toe. (...) How can we respect Muslim women who worship a man who thought they are sex objects, deficient in intelligence and hell bound?
4.60-- Muslims are bent to take over the world. This is the plan set in motion by their psychopath megalomaniac prophet. These brainless zombies are incapable of rational thought. Like robots, they do what they are programmed for and that is to lie, to play the role of the victim, to deceive and to claim the world for the Satan Allah with violence and terror. Reason does not work with them.
4.61-- We heard all sorts of excuses from them except acknowledging the fact that Muhammad was a charlatan and leave Islam. They propose reforming Islam, modernizing it, educating Muslims and all kinds of baloney, but our words fall on deaf ears. They are simply unable to cut their umbilical cord from that monster criminal and leave his sick cult. They see the evil in the Quran, they see whatever Muhammad did was despicable; but they can’t let go. Their brain is frozen. That psychopath has kidnapped their soul and their intelligence. They are just brain dead.
4.62-- You (Muslims) must be humiliated and subdued, exactly the way your Quran says non-Muslims should be treated.
You Are Wrong Mr. Taheri (sina50531.htm)
4.63-- Muslims do convert beautiful European and American cities into casbahs. As a matter of fact some Muslim quarters in the heart of the European cities have become so dangerous that the locals, especially non-Muslim women, do not dare to go alone.
4.64-- The Quran is the common ground for all the Muslims - the Sunna is another unifying point. Muslims don’t need a living authority to tell them what they should do.(…) Islamic terrorism, does not derive from Bin Ladenism, it derives from Muhammadanism. It is inspired by the Quran.
4.65-- Muslims are not going to integrate. They are not going to adopt Western cultures and values. On the contrary, they want to destroy the democracies and establish their own barbaric way of life by force. (…) Muslims can only receive but they will not give back. To give back is un-Islamic.
4.66-- The whole concept of dhimmitude is that non-Muslims become tributaries to Muslims and not the other way round. Today, a great number of Muslims in European countries are maintained by the government. Muslims see this as their right. It is the Jizyah that the non-Muslims are supposed to pay. They will never return the favour.
4.67-- The danger is looming. Muslims are incapable of rational thought. They are diseased with Islam. Those who follow Muhammad can’t be trusted. They don’t care about Mankind; they don’t care about progress; they even don’t care about their own lives. They don’t care about anything. The only thing they care about is to make the cult of Muhammad dominant, whether by hooks or by crooks.
We Shall Prevail!...Or Will We? (sina5070.htm) Following the London blasts of 7/7/05.
4.68-- Mosques are not places of worship as churches, synagogues and other temples are. The only deity worshiped there is Allah, the god of death and bloodshed. Ayatollah Komeini said, "Mehraab (the main hall of the mosque) means the place from which war (harb) proceeds". Mehraab literally means place of war. By definition, mosques are breeding grounds for wars.
4.69-- It is Islam that is inciting hate and is goading Muslims to become terrorists. How can we overlook this clear connection? Ironically, the British Parliament is debating a law to declare criticism of Islam, "incitement to religious hatred" and make it a crime. This is insanity. How can we fight this war and win if we protect our enemy? This is like banning the criticism of Nazism in the middle of the World War II, or prohibiting the criticism of communism during the Cold War.
4.70-- More lives have been lost in London and more will be lost in future but those who want to remain politically correct and the appeasers are not going to wake up. They will continue defending Islam, the very doctrine that calls for their heads.
4.71-- Once you break people's pen, they will up the gun. (...) Public debates must take place between the proponents and the opponents of Islam so the hidden facts about Islam come to surface. Muslims living among us must be brought to accountability. They must either leave Islam or forced to leave non-Muslim countries. They can't be the friends of the caravan and the partners with the thieves at the same time. Islam is a political movement that wants to destroy our democracies through terrorism. It should not be given the status of religion.
4.72-- We must not tolerate this ideology of hate masked as religion. It must be destroyed and its proponents must be kicked out. If Islam wants to conquer the world, it is political, and criticizing a political movement cannot be classified as "incitement to religious hatred".
4.73-- If we do the same that we were doing, we will reap the same that we have been reaping. More lives will be lost and despite Mr. Blair's assurances, we shall not prevail. In fact we will lose and that means the end of the world as we know it. It is not good to lose hope but false hopes can be just as deadly.
Neo-Facism in Europe on the Rise (sina50709.htm)
4.74-- We can’t keep our heads under the sand and pretend Islam is not a problem. Islam is eroding the hard earned liberties of the Europeans. It is imposing its own brand of fascism and people are not going to accept it. If Islam is not stopped, fascism will inevitably become stronger and the result would be carnage in the streets and perhaps civil wars.
Ignorance is lethal (sina50802.htm)
4.75-- Why the mainstream media does not let the voices of those who oppose Islam to be heard and why they are so eager to promote the lies and deceptions of the Islamists. This is insanity. This is suicidal. This is like defending Nazism and silencing its critics. How much stupidity is enough?
The Useful Idiots (sina50823.htm)
4.76-- Recognizing Islam is accepting your own death warrant. Muhammad said kill the unbelievers. You are an unbeliever. If you recognize Islam, you are agreeing to be killed. Isn't that stupid?
4.77-- Europeans must realize that Islam is not just another religion in their multi cultural religious rainbow but rather is their enemy. Islam aims to destroy their culture, their democracy and take away their freedom. They must realize that Muslims are not going to integrate in their countries.
4.78-- Trying to appease Muslims is foolish. It is informed by ignorance of Islam. Most cancers are treatable, if detected in time. But if you ignore them because you think fighting them is daunting, they will grow to a stage that will kill you.
The Prophet of Doom (sina50909.htm)
4.79-- We are trying to make the world see that Muslims are the victims of a disease called Islam. It is Islam that must be eradicated. Once Islam is demolished and Muslims are freed from this web of lies and hate, you’ll find them to be just as good as anyone else.
4.81-- You play the role of victim when we ask for proof but try to convert others through aggression and violence. Questioning the validity of your faith hurts your sensitivity. Yet you think it is your religious duty to wage Jihad kill people in acts of terrorism and impose your damn cult on others.
4.82-- Even the rewards that your satanic prophet promised are devilish. He appeals to your lower animalistic instincts, to your baser self, to your libido and your debauchery. What kind of paradise is this? This is brothel. Hugh Hefner, the founder of Playboy has already built that kind of paradise on Earth. Is that all your god can do? Is Allah just an omnipotent pimp? How much stupidity is enough? _________________ Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity. |
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Discovered this forum yesterday and, despite myself, this has been a bit of an eye opener.
Ali, you certainly have some important things to say, and while I don't agree with all of them, you (and other authors on the site and other things pointed to on this site) have made me rethink some of my thoughts about Islam and what ails the Muslims and our little planet.
However, I feel that you would be a lot more effective if you were a bit more civil and diplomatic. More effective for YOUR own good, for YOUR own purposes of making non-Muslims AND Muslims see things your own way.
Even if your rage against Islam were justified, if you were willing to give some consideration to the possibility of alternate causes of phenomena, you would appear more dispassionate and fair and less extreme. Just as an example (not necessarily the best example): Somewhere you say that Muslim women wearing the Burkha are making a statement AGAINST the resident culture and flaunting the resident (secular) government. Or something like it. This need not be true. I know of some highly educated Muslim women who wear the hijaab because a conservative adoption of their religion calls for it and they want to belong to that conservative component of their religion. But this NEED NOT mean they're rebeling against the government.
I speak as a (devout!) atheist who thinks religions are bad news. And because of your site I've also begun to entertain the notion that Islam, specifically may have some particularly serious problems and may be the CAUSE of the trouble Muslims are in. But even if all non-Muslims were in agreement about the bankruptcy of Islam, Muslims aren't going to reform or abandon Islam unless they themselves begin to see its evils and decide to reform themselves. And this isn't going to happen if outsiders (including "once-Insiders" like you) rant and rave at them. Strong language will only harden their stand and make them more firmly rooted in their devotion to their core beliefs. You must be tactful, diplomatic, persuasive, coaxing, etc. Thus I urge you to take some lessons in tactful articulation of your strong and important thoughts.
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TurnLooseTheSwans

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Discovered this forum yesterday and, despite myself, this has been a bit of an eye opener.
Ali, you certainly have some important things to say, and while I don't agree with all of them, you (and other authors on the site and other things pointed to on this site) have made me rethink some of my thoughts about Islam and what ails the Muslims and our little planet.
However, I feel that you would be a lot more effective if you were a bit more civil and diplomatic. More effective for YOUR own good, for YOUR own purposes of making non-Muslims AND Muslims see things your own way.
Even if your rage against Islam were justified, if you were willing to give some consideration to the possibility of alternate causes of phenomena, you would appear more dispassionate and fair and less extreme. Just as an example (not necessarily the best example): Somewhere you say that Muslim women wearing the Burkha are making a statement AGAINST the resident culture and flaunting the resident (secular) government. Or something like it. This need not be true. I know of some highly educated Muslim women who wear the hijaab because a conservative adoption of their religion calls for it and they want to belong to that conservative component of their religion. But this NEED NOT mean they're rebeling against the government.
I speak as a (devout!) atheist who thinks religions are bad news. And because of your site I've also begun to entertain the notion that Islam, specifically may have some particularly serious problems and may be the CAUSE of the trouble Muslims are in. But even if all non-Muslims were in agreement about the bankruptcy of Islam, Muslims aren't going to reform or abandon Islam unless they themselves begin to see its evils and decide to reform themselves. And this isn't going to happen if outsiders (including "once-Insiders" like you) rant and rave at them. Strong language will only harden their stand and make them more firmly rooted in their devotion to their core beliefs. You must be tactful, diplomatic, persuasive, coaxing, etc. Thus I urge you to take some lessons in tactful articulation of your strong and important thoughts.
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I nearly agree with you, ReignForest. There is a cultural component, one might wish to consider when dealing with this issue. Courtesy and civility that you seem to recommend (in - let's face it - a bit patronizing way) happen to be often taken as signs of weakness. Islam, it seems to me, is the most powerful, the most persuasive ideology of our times. And we lose the battle by nothing else then multicultural ideology, political correctness, and wrongly-understood tolerance. What we really need is to redefine ourselves - as humanists and children of the Enlightenment. _________________ Μολὼν λαβέ!!
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The Cat

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Quoting Ali Sina, Part IV (4/6).
Once You Believe It, You See It (sina50912.htm)
4.83-- If Islam is not opposed, it will take over the world. It is foolish to underestimate the danger of this cult and the magnitude of its threat to our world. In the last 1400 years Islam has never been challenged. Any criticism of it has been silenced inexorably and ruthlessly. As long as the status quo continues, Islam will keep growing. If Islam becomes the only dominant force, it means the end of humanity. The advance of civilization will stop. Islam is a black-hole.
4.84-- Islam has advanced through dedication and sacrifice of ignorant people, it can only be defeated through dedication and sacrifice of knowledgeable people.
4.85-- Diversity is good. It is beautiful to think differently. The reason we must fight Islam is precisely because it wants to eliminate that diversity of thought. We don’t fight Islam because it is filled with hocus-pocus but because it is intolerant of other faiths and people.
Every Time I read a Muslim Letter I want to Puke (sina50913.htm)
4.86-- As long as Muslims are Muslims they do not deserve to be treated in accordance to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Has any Islamic country subscribed to the UDHR? No, they have their own "Islamic Human Rights", which differs from the UDHR and in fact is its antithesis. Muslims must be treated in accordance to the teachings of the Quran. They must be treated the way Quran says non-Muslims should be treated. This is justice. If it’s good medicine, please taste it yourselves too. If you prescribe it to others, please have a gulp of it.
If Islam is Bad... (sina50918.htm)
4.87-- Islam is the only exception that vests prostitution will sacredness and calls it temporary "marriage". Muta, is not marriage, it is prostitution where the mullahs are pimps. Islam is the only religion that condones promiscuity and disloyalty of men in the form of polygamy. (…) It promotes jealousy, animosity and rancour. It embitters the relationship and poisons the atmosphere. Children that grow in such environment, grow emotionally lacerated. Islam is against the natural law.
4.88-- Usually criminals are aware of their evil deeds. Muslims are not. They have the confirmation from their religion to hate and to hurt. When they do evil to non-Muslims, they think they have done God's work. They praise Allah when they are about to take the life of an innocent non-Muslim. No criminal invokes the name of God when he is about to commit murder.
How to Speak to the Politically Correct Bigots (sina51021.htm)
4.89--- When Muslims say "peace", it means you submit to us so we let you live. Otherwise we will kill you. When Muslims say we fight oppression, they mean we fight disbelief. You become an oppressor the moment you say I don’t want to be a Muslim. When they say Islam does not allow killing innocent people, they mean those who have not yet rejected Islam. Once you reject their d’awa you are no more innocent. When Muslims say Islam fights corruption, they mean freedom of thought. This is the greatest corruption as far as Islam is concerned.
4.90-- When Muslims talk about negotiations and treaties, they mean we pull wool over your eyes so we can buy time while you look the other way and when we are stronger we will break all our treaties just as Muhammad did at Hudaibiyyh and later ratified it in the Sura Deliverance where Allah delivered him from all obligation toward those with whom he had made a treaty.
4.91-- When Muslims say Islam teaches piety, it does not mean at all what you think piety means. Piety in Islam means do what is halal (permitted) and avoid what is haram (forbidden). These have nothing to do with right and wrong. For example, homosexuality is haram but pedophilia is halal. Masturbation is haram but killing the non-Muslims is halal. Wine is haram but stoning is halal. For a woman, exposing her hair in public is haram but for her husband beating her is halal. The concept of Islamic piety defies human logic.
4.92-- A pious Muslim is not necessarily a good person by our definition. A pious Muslim is one who follows Muhammad, he could be a terrorist, a child molester, a wife beater or a liar. As long as he lies to non-believers, he is pious. As long as he says his obligatory prayers, fasts, his beard and his dress are the right size, he enters into toilet with the correct foot and follows all the rituals meticulously, he is pious.
4.93-- Islamophobia makes as much sense as Naziphobia. The term is meaningless. It implies that Islam is innocent victim of misinformation and unreasonable fear and that once one learns the truth about it the phobia will go away. Nothing can be farther from the truth. The more one learns the truth about Islam the more dangerous and spiteful it looks.
4.94-- Only a fool can afford not to fear an ideology of hate that aims to conquer the world through deception and terror and take away his freedom. _________________ Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity. |
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The Cat

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The Cat

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WW2 bombings.

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Friend4all
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Worst rape photos of Iraqi women detainees
not yet officially released by
Ernesto Cienfuegos La Voz de Aztlan
http://www.aztlan.net/worst_photos_not_released.htm
Shoot to kill only for suspicion.
IDF soldiers killed 9 Palestinian workers the reason given: Suspecting! |
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