Head Scarf - the Absurd Logic

[katlike]

We are discussing muslim men's inability to control themselves sexually around any uncovered female. That is trash talk, you can't defend the practice and still want to call this trash talk. It's trashing you...
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[jihadjay2]

Hello FORWARD

This website is meant to bring in Muslims for open debate, and surely anti-Islamists have enough ammunition to do this.

I therefore think that proper behaviour is required and I could mention the enormous sex trade in Japan and Thailand, and I currently reside in Japan, and yes, women have freedom to dress how they like, and yes, in the morning they have special carriages to prevent them from being molested via all female carriages.

The freedom to cover up or to dress how you like should apply in all nations, and I am against the enforcement of women having to cover up in Saudi Arabia, however, I am also against banning things like they do in France.

Also, you have many different cultures within the Islamic communities, and if you visited parts of the Balkans you will see pretty colours alongside modesty, and in the countryside it is hard to know who happens to be Christian or Muslim.

Southern Russia is also like this, and the styles have nothing to do with Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

With respect
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[Dae Rolf]

Though it should be noted that the situation on the Balkans as well
as among other eastern European muslim communities is quite
different because if their traditionally liberal approach towards
the litteral islamic commandments.

However, these customs are commonly regarded to be un-islamic
and wrong by islamic law by all the hardliners.

And especially the Saudi's are now working hard to eradicate all
those liberal "corruptions" of islam and islamic law in the countless
local cultures and customs among muslim peoples throughout the world,
most notably in Bosnia and the Caucasus.

There's a good reason why liberal muslims are always the first
victims when shari'a law is implemented anywhere.

Just look at Aceh...
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[Silenceislethal]

I can just about tolerate the head scarf...but wearing a face scarf when talking to others especially in the West is just plain rude. I dont give a toss about religion and jealous perverted husbands. It is simply bad manners and the face veil should be banned.
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[jihadjay2]

I think that banning will only prove that injustice is following injustice.

Muslim women must be given the freedom to dress how they like, and I hope that this freedom is one day enshrined in Islamic states to women and non-Muslims who desire to dress how they like.
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[Caleb]

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Dae Rolf, Silenceislethal, Caleb, jihadjay2:

whatever the justification, origin or political statement is/given/intended by the headscarf/veil, i think we all stand for freedom of choice for women.

here, i'm against COMPULSION, PRESSURE or FORCING women to wear it. i believe the FIRST step is to show just how ridiculous the logic is.


Silenceislethal,

i agree that wearing veil is rude, n it's not just in the west. societies like china, japan n korea would agree that it's strange, if not rude. the attitude that the country u have migrated to should ADJUST ITSELF to accomodate YOUR idiosyncracies is just selfish n ludicrous - n BY ITSELF, RUDE.

also, wearing of veils gives rise to problems which never existed before, such as crime (see below).

yes, women should have that choice. but i would agree only to the extent of headscarf, NOT VEIL. in the case of veil, it's going too far, n there's a need for these women to BALANCE their interests with those of the society. it's VERY SELFISH if u want the society as a whole to face increased level of security risks simply because YOU r tooooooooooooooo VAIN n your husband/OWNER is tooooooooooo IMMATURE.

instead of making everybody else uncomfortable, WHY DON'T U JUST STAY HOME, OR LEAVE?? Saudi Arabia n Iran would welcome one of its own muslim sisters, i'm sure.



ctober 09, 2006
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2395178,00.html

Suspect in terror hunt used veil to evade arrest
By Sean O’Neill and Anthony Browne

A MALE suspect in a major anti-terrorist investigation in Britain escaped capture by allegedly disguising himself as a Muslim woman dressed in a burka, The Times can reveal.
The man, who was wanted in connection with serious terrorist offences, evaded arrest for several days as police searched for him across the country.



The fact that a fugitive remained at large after disguising himself in an Islamic dress which covered his face will further fuel the debate sparked by Jack Straw, Leader of the House of Commons, about the wearing of the veil.

Details of the man’s true identity were circulated to ports and airports to try to prevent him leaving the country.

He was eventually caught and is now one of more than 90 suspects in British prisons awaiting trial on terror charges.

The suspect’s name and the detail of the offences he is accused of cannot be revealed because of the danger of prejudicing his forthcoming trial.

It is the first time that a male suspect has allegedly disguised himself as a Muslim woman in Britain. However, the tactic has been used frequently by Islamist fighters — including suicide bombers — in Iraq and Afghanistan. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the former leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, often dressed in a burka to evade American forces hunting him.

Counter-terrorist agencies in Britain and Europe have long been concerned about the readiness of male Islamist terrorists to wear female clothing.

The issue of people hiding their faces under the burka, which covers the whole face, or behind the niqab, which exposes only the eyes, has also posed difficulties for banks, immigration authorities and benefit offices. But questions of security have tended to be overruled by the need to maintain good community relations.

Shahid Malik, Labour MP for Dewsbury, expressed concern that the issue could create unnecessary tension. “If this is true, then it is the first case of its kind in Britain and an isolated incident. We must not get hysterical about it. There have been many hundreds of cases where robberies have been committed by men wearing women’s stockings on their heads — but no one is talking about banning stockings.

“The important thing is that the police and the security services should feel comfortable and confident about stopping anyone who they have suspicions about, whatever they are wearing.”

Speaking on the BBC, John Prescott, the Deputy Prime Minister, said: “I fear sometimes people might use it in a more prejudiced way and I am concerned it may damage relations rather than improve them.”

He added that he would not follow Mr Straw’s practice of asking Muslim women in constituency meetings to uncover their faces.

Patricia Hewitt, the Health Secretary, also disagreed with Mr Straw’s stance. She said that in the past she had regarded the veil as a symbol of women’s oppression, but changed her mind after a meeting with a Muslim woman in her constituency. “She’d made the decision — not her parents or anybody else — that she wanted, as part of her statement of her faith, to wear the veil.”

However, Mr Straw was backed by Phil Woolas, the minister responsible for community cohesion, race and faith, whose Oldham constituency contains a large Muslim population. Writing in the Sunday Mirror, he said: “Most British-born Muslims who wear it do so as an assertion of their identity and religion. This can create fear and resentment among non-Muslims and lead to discrimination. Muslims then become even more determined to assert their identity, and so it becomes a vicious circle where the only beneficiaries are racists like the BNP.”

Anila Baig, a columnist on The Sun newspaper, reported that at Leeds-Bradford airport no member of security had asked her to remove her niqab to check her identity against her passport picture.

Muslim organisations have complained about receiving hate mail since Mr Straw referred to the veil as “a visible statement of separation” in his local newspaper. A spokesman for The Muslim Safety Forum said that there had been an increase in attacks against Muslims, and added: “We are concerned that Jack Straw’s comments will be picked up by certain elements of the community who want to spread Islamophobia.”

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[Sanitarium]

Christian's rant on people hating the hijab; "Christians should follow muslim women's example."

This guy's youtube username is "AnswertoIslam" yet he says he doesn't believe that any muslims are forced to wear the hijab LOL

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