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Ali Sina



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:08 am    Post subject: Patriotism Fails Iran, Reply with quote

Patriotism Fails Iran,
Sets to Breed Islamic Terror

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The regime's leadership feels especially threatened by the intelligentsia, the writers, the poets and the journalists whom they started to kidnap and murder by the hundreds. This action is now known as "the chain murders."

Well this at least partially explains why most Muslims from Islamic nations are such idiots. These regimes actually seek out to exterminate all the smart ones. So being stupid is a prerequisite to be a Muslim? I guess it all makes sense now!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Patriotism In The Name Of Islam Is Nothing More Than Terrorism" yeezevee
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing will work in Iran but an armed struggle.
People must be armed and trained.
They must take rifles, aim it at mullahs and hezbollah and pull the trigger.

Demonstrations won't work, sanctions won't work, talks won't work.

ALL free countries in the world went through heroic wars to get rid of evil dictators and evil ideologies. It was the soldiers who made it possible for freedoms.

The best approach to removing mullahs is for the world to bomb out all power centers of mullhas, and entire defense system. It is really a matter of two weeks. Then arm all Iranian opposition to the teeth.
Millions of Secular Iranians abroad must return and join the fight, both by fighting, and using their skills and money.
All mullahs financial interests and investments should be frozen and used to pay for war against them.
A firm military government is needed after that with curfew laws, to continue the hunting of ALL fanatics.
Removing less than half a million of mullah supporters in Iran will save 70 million and possibly the world.

That is the only realistic way to change the course of history in Iran.

The only other option is nuclear bombs in a few years, or maybe even months. That is when terrorists use their first WMD anywhere in the world.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh my infidel gods....

this is terrible.if all people who think will be killed,only stupid people
ie real muslims will be left in iran.

even govt of india,usa,eurpoe,etc, dont do nything,but i think if they dont
do anything soon iran will uleash the islamic revolution on the world,
and we all normal freedom loving people will be in deep trouble.

something must be done.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

armour_piercing_bullets wrote:
oh my infidel gods....

this is terrible.if all people who think will be killed,only stupid people
ie real muslims will be left in iran.

even govt of india,usa,eurpoe,etc, dont do nything,but i think if they dont
do anything soon iran will uleash the islamic revolution on the world,
and we all normal freedom loving people will be in deep trouble.

something must be done.


It's not "will be," it's "has been."

That's what makes Iran the most dangerous country to the world security. It's run by brutal islamist idiots, up to their eyeballs into the terrorism business.

Iran will have a very unhappy ending if mullahs are not removed now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:46 pm    Post subject: And who's to do this removal of terror in Iran? Reply with quote

The problem is grave, but what to do about it is the question. So far in the last few months I've seen one government after another cave into terrorist threats due to beheadings. Which only makes the Muslims more radical, they feed on success like a vulture relishes a dead body.

The U.S. is focusing right now on an election. And even if John Kerry is elected, the prospects of continued unrest and ultimately war again in he Middle East is almost assured. But what will the U.S. do about it? I really doubt that the unrest caused by the Muslims is going to go on hold out of politeness to us. The U.S. is strong but what about the other member countries? The U.N does not wake up, no matter what, so if we lead and they don't know what to do, either way, we get blamed for their inaction. The Muslims are always the victims even if we find them with the bloody knife in their hand having defended themsleves agaist a 14 year old girl, she fought so hard, they were forced to chop off her ears and her nose and her tongue. They weren't sure they had done it right so they did it again. That makes twice in July the mutilated two women in India or has there been another incident? ... we are still in July.

This is an absurd situation, on the U.N. sits Islamic nations which have a vote as to what to do. If the length of time it takes the U.N. to even recognize a problem such as the one in the Sudan with famine and genocide of its indigenous Black people, they have had evidence up passed their eyeballs and have not acted. Instead they give Khartoum a mere slap on the hand and Khartoum will not do anything. They say that the jihadist are acting on their own, despite they are wearing government uniforms. The government isn't paying the troops, these troops get to loot the Black Sudanese and this is their payment: the loot and whatever they make off of selling them into slavery. The Khartoum is not being punished because they have found a loophole and the Muslim governments sit and agree with them, the majority needed to act in the U.N. cannot be reached.

The U.N. ought to be scrapped. A new U.N. with some teeth that does not have to cave into Muslim governments (which have been vetoing necessary humanitarian aid) is required NOW. By the time all the fillibuster is over, the Muslims will have taken all that is worth taking and have completed what they started, the extinction of the Black race in the Sudan. We saw a facsist beast in Europe and did it ever fill its stomach and was satisfied? Do we think appeasement worked then? It didn't work then and it will not work now.

The Muslims have a religious point of view and we cannot understand them if we look at their goals with a secular mind set. I am not saying we must agree on a relgion, (except the ability to recognize evil and to oppose it). We cannot view them and deal with them as what works with the enlightened nations of Europe (not counting Turkey) and Japan, even the Soviet Union. We could recognize communist propaganda and took them seriously. These Muslim guys run around in robes with four wives and we don't take them seriously, we are being fools. Even a strong man can die from an infection that isn't the size he can fight with his fists. If the term "plague" fits them.

The West's press is still using terms that whitewash wholesale murder like "ethnic cleansing" which takes the teeth out of the viciousness of the situation in the Sudan.

The whole Islamic plan, if there is one they agree upon, is to make the task seem impossible and we (the West) just throw our hands up and not even make an attempt to defend ourselves from the wolf at our door. We cannot even recognize publically that the same thread running throughout all these problems is Islam. (We don't want to hurt the Muslims' feelings while they are killing the planet.) Really I don't give a Shi-ite.

To try to snuff out the trouble in Iran will end with the same lack of success as has happened in Iraq because the press we have is like hiring the Arabs to write commentary. The press may not be in bed with the Muslims but maybe they are secretly longing for those 72 black-eyed babes, hedging their bets that Allah only wants "what's best for them". They have exchanged wisdom for stupidity. For what? ... a higher rating among advertisers, they have sold out their nations and the people of the world and they will not be rewarded by the Islamists. Islam hates Kafirs and has no respect for even those who help them. They laugh at them because they play right into their hands.

What nations need to vote together to be in the majority for the U.N. to make a decision? If we must wait for the French to see the light, we need to limber up so while we are kissing our a** goodbye, we don't strain ourselves and throw our back out.

Our representatives are too far removed from the problems of the people and are too squeemish to take the needed action to save Western civilization before it is too late.

Every time those of us who see the truth speaks out, we are labled as "insane", didn't take our valium today or that we are extremist that don't really see reality. The majority, we are told, are non-political don't take religion seriously, and just not interested until the war against terror is on their door step. Then we will be mocked for not having gotten the word out, even though they refused to listen and the press refused to report the truth.

If we continue being so slow to act, there will be a world ruler that does rise out of all of this and he will lie just like the Muslims have lied, and promote them to the seat of world power. Then the freedoms we have had will be but a memory if any of us are left to recall ... or alive or not locked up who have seen it coming. If this majority that doesn't care about a d*mn thing has a voice, what is it??? "If that all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing..." They'll party till the light goes out on Western civilization.

Will any then remember...that once there was a (place called Camelot) a thing called Western Civilization?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possible regime change?


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39512
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An Iranian family told me that in Iran they refuse to issue IDs for the babies with non-islamic names.
They had to bribe somebody a large amount to get it done.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:17 am    Post subject: re Reply with quote

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There is a very simple answer, support the aspirations of the Iranian people for freedom, justice and liberty, and eradicate the Islamic Republic at once, before it's too late


eradicate the Islamic Republic? Does that mean eradicate there goverment or the whole population?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is a very simple answer, support the aspirations of the Iranian people for freedom, justice and liberty, and eradicate the Islamic Republic at once, before it's too late


eradicate the Islamic Republic? Does that mean eradicate there goverment or the whole population?


The government and its supporters, not the whole population. Thought that was clear. Anyway, the population themselves should be making the majority of that effort.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Patriotism Fails Iran, Reply with quote

Ali Sina wrote:
Patriotism Fails Iran,
Sets to Breed Islamic Terror


Ali Sina,
Thanks for providing people with a site where people can discuss and learn issues without lots of personal attacks.

Now, about Iran (and many other repressed islamic countries), what set them apart from other historically repressed countries? If you look at the history, there were many revolutions around the world that defeated dictatorships protected by the military. They happened because of the discontent with how the ruling class treated them, and they were successfull partly because of the unity of the people and partly because members of the military refused to kill their own people.

Iran has more intellectuals per capita than most muslim countries and discontent is high enough according to the media. Why can't they organize grass root movements to start deposing the mullahs? It seems they are waiting for outside influences to help them, but we know that outside interference is always opposed by the muslims in the end. I always think that if there is a revolution against the ruling class in a muslim country, it'll be in Iran. But so far, all demonstrations and activities failed to spark one. Is it because they are afraid? Will the mullahs kill millions of Iranians just to remain in power?

Last question: In your opinion, what sort of catalyst is required to start a revolution?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Patriotism Fails Iran, Reply with quote

Ajax wrote:
Ali Sina wrote:
Patriotism Fails Iran,
Sets to Breed Islamic Terror


Ali Sina,
Thanks for providing people with a site where people can discuss and learn issues without lots of personal attacks.

Now, about Iran (and many other repressed islamic countries), what set them apart from other historically repressed countries? If you look at the history, there were many revolutions around the world that defeated dictatorships protected by the military. They happened because of the discontent with how the ruling class treated them, and they were successfull partly because of the unity of the people and partly because members of the military refused to kill their own people.

Iran has more intellectuals per capita than most muslim countries and discontent is high enough according to the media. Why can't they organize grass root movements to start deposing the mullahs? It seems they are waiting for outside influences to help them, but we know that outside interference is always opposed by the muslims in the end. I always think that if there is a revolution against the ruling class in a muslim country, it'll be in Iran. But so far, all demonstrations and activities failed to spark one. Is it because they are afraid? Will the mullahs kill millions of Iranians just to remain in power?

Last question: In your opinion, what sort of catalyst is required to start a revolution?

In my opinion, most Iranians still think like Mohammedans. They haven't figured out how to be democratic. An upshot is that the opposition abroad is highly fragmented. For example, the monarchists, who all support the same man, have several factions. Meetings of Iranians often consist of struggling over who will be the dictator (assuming that he/she can get away with it). Finally, the level of hatred is very high. Iranian discussions often carry screeds of "I hate X" or "Death to X" where X can be mollahs, monarchists, republicans, Arabs, Kurds, traitors or anyone with whom the writer disagrees (the last two are usually synonymous). Because the Internet reaches into Iran, these screeds often originate from Iran.

Oh! Everything is also a conspiracy. There are black hands everywhere. That's a combination of Mohammedan thought and a normal reaction to mercantilism. (Probably more the latter.) Pahlavi Iran was mercantilist because all rights were by leave of the Shah. In effect, the Shah was the proprietor of Iran. To better understand mercantilism, read Hernando do Soto, The Other Path. Then, imagine the institutions of mercantilism remaining intact while the sovereign is gone. The result is incredible amounts of corruption.

We cannot predict when the revolution will occur, for the simple reason that if anyone can predict it, so can the regime, and the regime will act to suppress it. My feeling is that some sort of disruption will occur which will quickly escalate into a popular rebellion that will succeed when the army intervenes.

The West has organizations that can help would-be revolutionaries. The National Democratic Institute http://www.ndi.org and International Republican Institute http://www.iri.org are set up to export democracy. They worked with the Serbian opposition to overthrow Milosevic. Will Iranians accept their help?

The imminent air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities are a wild card. If they are combined with decapitation strikes against the regime, what will happen? I leave this as a rhetorical question.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Patriotism Fails Iran, Reply with quote

Ajax wrote:
But so far, all demonstrations and activities failed to spark one. Is it because they are afraid? Will the mullahs kill millions of Iranians just to remain in power?

Last question: In your opinion, what sort of catalyst is required to start a revolution?


Yes people are afraid, and yes mullahs will kill millions.
A "common goal" is needed to start the revolution. So far there is no such thing happening.
Iranian mindset is still full of islamic hates and favor dictatorships by one person or group, even the most educated think that way.
They think in terms of not allowing certain groups to have power, while favoring "only one" group.
The result is division among the opposition groups, and a divided house will surely fall. Mullahs at the same time kill and arrest as many as they can from all groups.

The solution:
1- Iranians must learn to unite against mullahs as the common goal.
2- A total separation of church and state must be the top of priorities.
3- They must all "fight." Literally fight with weapons to achieve this.
4- When the mullahs are defeated, every group must have rights to be active and speak, no matter if they are leftist, nationalist, other religions, or just free thinkers, even islamists will have rights to speak, but never one group should be allowed to impose rules that will restrict others.
5- The new government must have representatives from all groups, minorities, religions and social classes.
6- A "good for all" law must rule the country. Not a law for majority, but a law that ensures everybody's rights, even criminals. For example if a muslim forces the dress code on women he'll be punished under use of force and restraining a human being. If a leftist threatens rich people and other's properties, he'll be punished for conspiracy. Likewise a nationalist threatening the leftists will be charged.
7- All old regime mullahs will be put on trial openly, with jurors selected from all groups including all minorities. All hezbolah and rev guard members and supporters will be charged with treason, mass murder of people, torture and starting global terrorism, and put on open trials, including international courts where there was support for global terrorism.
8- A military rule with "some" international forces supervision will provide security as long as there's instability.
9- The education and media system must be reformed, and all channels allowed to speak openly.
10- International relationships must be established in all fields, cultural exchange, free trade, tourism, foreign investments and participation in all global crisis should there be a need for Iranian people to contribute.
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