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peaceforever
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 Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject: Muhammad renders himself more important than Allah! |
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Muhammad renders himself more important than Allah
My fellow friend in the fight against evil Islam,piggy was too generous that when I spotted and gave this hadith which he could use in his debate against Tchard, he humbly rejected and said to use it myself, as he didn't want to copy my work unlike Muhammad
so here is it,
| tafsir Ibn kathir wrote: |
Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal recorded in the Musnad that Abu Sa`id bin Al-Mu`alla said, "I was praying when the Prophet called me, so I did not answer him until I finished the prayer. I then went to him and he said, (What prevented you from coming) I said, 'O Messenger of Allah ! I was praying.' He said, (`Didn't Allah say),
[يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ اسْتَجِيبُواْ لِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُمْ لِمَا يُحْيِيكُمْ]
(O you who believe! Answer Allah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he () calls you to that which gives you life) He then said,
«لَأُعَلِّمَنَّكَ أَعْظَمَ سُورَةٍ فِي الْقُرْآنِ قَبْلَ أَنْ تَخْرُجَ مِنَ الْمَسْجِدِ»
(I will teach you the greatest Surah in the Qur'an before you leave the Masjid.) He held my hand and when he was about to leave the Masjid, I said, `O Messenger of Allah! You said: I will teach you the greatest Surah in the Qur'an.' He said, (Yes.)
[الْحَمْدُ للَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَـلَمِينَ ]
(Al-Hamdu lillahi Rabbil-`Alamin)''
«نَعَمْ هِيَ السَّبْعُ الْمَثَانِي وَالْقُرْآنُ الْعَظِيمُ الَّذِي أُوتِيتُهُ»
(It is the seven repeated (verses) and the Glorious Qur'an that I was given.)''
Al-Bukhari, Abu Dawud, An-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah also recorded this Hadith.
Also, Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Hurayrah said, "The Messenger of Allah went out while Ubayy bin Ka`b was praying and said, (O Ubayy!) Ubayy did not answer him. The Prophet said, (O Ubayy!) Ubayy prayed faster then went to the Messenger of Allah saying, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' He said, (Peace be unto you. O Ubayy, what prevented you from answering me when I called you) He said, `O Messenger of Allah! I was praying.' He said, (Did you not read among what Allah has sent down to me,)
[اسْتَجِيبُواْ لِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُمْ لِمَا يُحْيِيكُمْ]
(Answer Allah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he () calls you to that which gives you life) He said, `Yes, O Messenger of Allah! I will not do it again.' the Prophet said,
«أَتُحِبُّ أَنْ أُعَلِّمَكَ سُورَةً لَمْ تَنْزِلْ لَا فِي التَّورَاةِ وَلَا فِي الْإِنْجِيلِ وَلَا فِي الزَّبُورِ وَلَا فِي الْفُرْقَانِ مِثْلَهَا؟»
(Would you like me to teach you a Surah the likes of which nothing has been revealed in the Tawrah, the Injil, the Zabur (Psalms) or the Furqan (the Qur'an)) He said, `Yes, O Messenger of Allah!' The Messenger of Allah said, (I hope that I will not leave through this door until you have learned it.) He (Ka`b) said, `The Messenger of Allah held my hand while speaking to me.
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since, there are some problems with Ibn Kathir's tafsir link provided, here are the relevant hadiths from Al-Bukhari.
| Al-Bukhari wrote: |
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 1:
Narrated Abu Said bin Al-Mu'alla:
While I was praying in the Mosque, Allah's Apostle called me but I did not respond to him. Later I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I was praying." He said, "Didn't Allah say'--"Give your response to Allah (by obeying Him) and to His Apostle when he calls you." (8.24)
He then said to me, "I will teach you a Sura which is the greatest Sura in the Qur'an, before you leave the Mosque." Then he got hold of my hand, and when he intended to leave (the Mosque), I said to him, "Didn't you say to me, 'I will teach you a Sura which is the greatest Sura in the Quran?' He said, "Al-Hamdu-Lillah Rabbi-l-Alamin (i.e. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds) which is Al-Sab'a Al-Mathani (i.e. seven repeatedly recited Verses) and the Grand Qur'an which has been given to me." |
| Al-Bukhari wrote: |
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 170:
Narrated Abu Said bin Al-Mu'alla:
While I was praying, Allah's Apostle passed me and called me, but I did not go to him until I had finished the prayer. Then I went to him, and he said, "What prevented you from coming to me? Didn't Allah say:-- "O you who believe! Answer the call of Allah (by obeying Him) and His Apostle when He calls you?" He then said, "I will inform you of the greatest Sura in the Qur'an before I leave (the mosque)." When Allah's Apostle got ready to leave (the mosque), I reminded him. He said, "It is: 'Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.' (i.e. Surat-al-Fatiha) As-sab'a Al-Mathani (the seven repeatedly recited Verses)."
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This what happens above, A muslim was praying to Allah, when Muhammad enters and calls him, since the Muslim is praying to Allah he neglets his call and continues to pray (quickly), and then after finishing his prayer, he gets to the prophet, the prophet seemingly upset asks the reason for not responding sooner, he replies "O Messenger of Allah! I was praying". On hearing this Muhammad Quotes a similar verse that is the
center of attention in this thread, "O you who believe! Answer Allah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he () calls you to that which gives you life" and asks the muslim(s)'s attention whenever he calls him/them, even if they are in prayer to Allah. Rendering him more important than Allah.
Note, Muhammad didn't call him on for an very important issue that had to be immediately attended on the contrary Muhammad wanted to tell about the most beautiful verse in the Quran which he could have done at anytime. But Muhammad was so much desperate for attention, that he can't bear a even the simplest signs of him being avoided even if it would mean placing him higher than Allah.
What this shows is simple, Piggy was right in his assertion Muhammad placed himself on par with Allah (more correctly more than Allah). He was desperate to rule over the minds of people which made him to invented an imaginary god Allah and through him gains access into the minds of poor Meccans & others who believed in him and gets things that he wanted done through Allah, but once he realised that his imaginary god gets more attention than himself he uses a revelation from Allah and places him at a more important position than Allah.
of course a muslim could interfere and say Muhammad wanted none of the Muslims to feel avoided or rejected and would have done the same thing he proposed in the place of Ubayy, but unfortunately for muslims, the fact is he didn't. Muhammad was himself placed in such a stiuation but doesn't leave his prayer for his devote follower & still places him and what he does more important than others. But gets furious when he gets treated in the same way.
here is the hadith:
| Al-Bukhari wrote: |
Volume 2, Book 22, Number 308:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle sent me for some job and when I had finished it I returned and came to the Prophet and greeted him but he did not return my greeting. So I felt so sorry that only Allah knows it and I said to myself,, 'Perhaps Allah's Apostle is angry because I did not come quickly, then again I greeted him but he did not reply. I felt even more sorry than I did the first time. Again I greeted him and he returned the greeting and said, "The thing which prevented me from returning the greeting was that I was praying." And at that time he was on his Rahila and his face was not towards the Qibla.
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What a moral relativist is this prophet of muslims?
Piggy was exaclty correct in his assertion!
keep your great work piggy, we are behind you.
CONCLUSION:
In the light of piggy's verses and Muhammad's actions as repoted by the Authentic hadiths of Muhammad, it is more than clearly evident that Muhammad was an imposter who placed himself above god and brainwashed people in the name of god to get his things he wanted done without himself undergoing any pain.
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buffy
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As usual, your post is great. It reminds me of a chapter from Ibn Warraq "Why I a m not muslim" which I infortunately don't have where he mentionned a haddith telling that Allah and his angels prosterned to him when he came to visit the 7th Heaven on Al Buraq's back.
That is also why muslims say that Allah prays for him and his folks. |
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XXX
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A pathetic attempt at trying to proove something which isn't even there.
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| As usual, your post is great. It reminds me of a chapter from Ibn Warraq "Why I a m not muslim" which I infortunately don't have where he mentionned a haddith telling that Allah and his angels prosterned to him when he came to visit the 7th Heaven on Al Buraq's back. |
Yes of course it would be great according to you. You'll praise the first bullsh!t piece of work against Islam you can find.
Anyone that knows anything about the Sunnah knows what that hadith means. Naturally, only idiots would desperatly attempt to see what isn't even there.
Do make an attempt to find it. I'd like to see this so called hadith. |
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Hello XXX,
I see you on various threads trying to answer people here (and not donig a very good job of it) . I dont know if you are for real or just someone pretending to play a muslim but if you are a muslim would you mind telling me what draws you to post here and respond to poeple who do no more than 'spit in your face' ? I''m almost close to asking you 'do you not have any self respect or dignity'. |
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dude, the religion doesn't give them self respect or dignity anyways
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buffy
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| lIlIlIllIlI wrote: |
Hello XXX,
I see you ...useless blablablah... or dignity'. |
And except thinking yourself a super trolls buster, what is your personal contribution to the debate huh? It seems that the troll is elsewhere  . |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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This is XXX's introduction.
| XXX wrote: |
| A pathetic attempt at trying to proove something which isn't even there. |
First part in XXX's refutation.
| XXX wrote: |
| Yes of course it would be great according to you. You'll praise the first bullsh!t piece of work against Islam you can find. |
side note : Strong argument, supported by concrete example.
Second part in XXX's refutation.
| XXX wrote: |
| Anyone that knows anything about the Sunnah knows what that hadith means. Naturally, only idiots would desperatly attempt to see what isn't even there. |
side note : Pure logic and deduction used here, muslims interprete the hadith right, non-muslims deceive and lie ( amazing ).
XXX's conclusion and challenge to the author.
| XXX wrote: |
| Do make an attempt to find it. I'd like to see this so called hadith. |
 . How many times do we need to tell you to debate and not throw cheap talk. Ha ?
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| You're bang the target Majdi! |
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Here it is in case you can't get it to load:
http://www.theholybook.org/en/a.45448.html
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Virtues of Al-Fatihah
Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal recorded in the Musnad that Abu Sa`id bin Al-Mu`alla said, "I was praying when the Prophet called me, so I did not answer him until I finished the prayer. I then went to him and he said, (What prevented you from coming) I said, 'O Messenger of Allah ! I was praying.' He said, (`Didn't Allah say),
[يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ اسْتَجِيبُواْ لِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُمْ لِمَا يُحْيِيكُمْ]
(O you who believe! Answer Allah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he () calls you to that which gives you life) He then said,
«لَأُعَلِّمَنَّكَ أَعْظَمَ سُورَةٍ فِي الْقُرْآنِ قَبْلَ أَنْ تَخْرُجَ مِنَ الْمَسْجِدِ»
(I will teach you the greatest Surah in the Qur'an before you leave the Masjid.) He held my hand and when he was about to leave the Masjid, I said, `O Messenger of Allah! You said: I will teach you the greatest Surah in the Qur'an.' He said, (Yes.)
[الْحَمْدُ للَّهِ رَبِّ الْعَـلَمِينَ ]
(Al-Hamdu lillahi Rabbil-`Alamin)''
«نَعَمْ هِيَ السَّبْعُ الْمَثَانِي وَالْقُرْآنُ الْعَظِيمُ الَّذِي أُوتِيتُهُ»
(It is the seven repeated (verses) and the Glorious Qur'an that I was given.)''
Al-Bukhari, Abu Dawud, An-Nasa'i and Ibn Majah also recorded this Hadith.
Also, Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Hurayrah said, "The Messenger of Allah went out while Ubayy bin Ka`b was praying and said, (O Ubayy!) Ubayy did not answer him. The Prophet said, (O Ubayy!) Ubayy prayed faster then went to the Messenger of Allah saying, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' He said, (Peace be unto you. O Ubayy, what prevented you from answering me when I called you) He said, `O Messenger of Allah! I was praying.' He said, (Did you not read among what Allah has sent down to me,)
[اسْتَجِيبُواْ لِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ إِذَا دَعَاكُمْ لِمَا يُحْيِيكُمْ]
(Answer Allah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he () calls you to that which gives you life) He said, `Yes, O Messenger of Allah! I will not do it again.' the Prophet said,
«أَتُحِبُّ أَنْ أُعَلِّمَكَ سُورَةً لَمْ تَنْزِلْ لَا فِي التَّورَاةِ وَلَا فِي الْإِنْجِيلِ وَلَا فِي الزَّبُورِ وَلَا فِي الْفُرْقَانِ مِثْلَهَا؟»
(Would you like me to teach you a Surah the likes of which nothing has been revealed in the Tawrah, the Injil, the Zabur (Psalms) or the Furqan (the Qur'an)) He said, `Yes, O Messenger of Allah!' The Messenger of Allah said, (I hope that I will not leave through this door until you have learned it.) He (Ka`b) said, `The Messenger of Allah held my hand while speaking to me. Meanwhile I was slowing down fearing that he might reach the door before he finished his conversation. When we came close to the door, I said: O Messenger of Allah ! What is the Surah that you have promised to teach me' He said, (What do you read in the prayer.) Ubayy said, `So I recited Umm Al-Qur'an to him.' He said,
«وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ مَا أَنْزَلَ اللهُ فِي التَّورَاةِ وَلَا فِي الْإِنْجِيلِ وَلَا فِي الزَّبُورِ وَلَا فِي الْفُرْقَانِ مِثْلَهَا إِنَّهَا السَّبْعُ الْمَثَانِي»
(By Him in Whose Hand is my soul! Allah has never revealed in the Tawrah, the Injil, the Zabur or the Furqan a Surah like it. It is the seven repeated verses that I was given.)''
Also, At-Tirmidhi recorded this Hadith and in his narration, the Prophet said,
«إِنَّهَا مِنَ السَّبْعِ الْمَثَانِي وَالْقُرْآنِ الْعَظِيمِ الَّذِي أُعْطِيتُهُ»
(It is the seven repeated verses and the Glorious Qur'an that I was given.) At-Tirmidhi then commented that this Hadith is Hasan Sahih.
There is a similar Hadith on this subject narrated from Anas bin Malik Further, `Abdullah, the son of Imam Ahmad, recorded this Hadith from Abu Hurayrah from Ubayy bin Ka`b, and he mentioned a longer but similar wording for the above Hadith. In addition, At-Tirmidhi and An-Nasa'i recorded this Hadith from Abu Hurayrah from Ubayy bin Ka`b who said that the Messenger of Allah said,
«مَا أَنْزَل اللهُ فِي التَّورَاةِ وَلَا فِي الْإِنْجِيلِ مِثْلَ أُمِّ الْقُرْآنِ وَهِيَ السَّبْعُ الْمَثَانِي وَهِيَ مَقْسُومَةٌ بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَ عَبْدِي نِصْفَيْنِ»
(Allah has never revealed in the Tawrah or the Injil anything similar to Umm Al-Qur'an.
It is the seven repeated verses and it is divided into two halves between Allah and His servant.)
This is the wording reported by An-Nasa'i. At-Tirmidhi said that this Hadith is Hasan Gharib.
Also, Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn Jabir said, "I went to the Messenger of Allah after he had poured water (for purification) and said, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' He did not answer me. So I said again, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' Again, he did not answer me, so I said again, `Peace be unto you, O Messenger of Allah!' Still he did not answer me. The Messenger of Allah went while I was following him, until he arrived at his residence. I went to the Masjid and sat there sad and depressed. The Messenger of Allah came out after he performed his purification and said, (Peace and Allah's mercy be unto you, peace and Allah's mercy be unto you, peace and Allah's mercy be unto you.) He then said, (O `Abdullah bin Jabir! Should I inform you of the best Surah in the Qur'an) I said, `Yes, O Messenger of Allah!' He said, (Read, `All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the existence,' until you finish it.)'' This Hadith has a good chain of narrators.
Some scholars relied on this Hadith as evidence that some Ayat and Surahs have more virtues than others.
Furthermore, in the chapter about the virtues of the Qur'an, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, "Once, we were on a journey when a female servant came and said, `The leader of this area has been poisoned and our people are away. Is there a healer among you' Then a man whose healing expertise did not interest us stood for her, he read a Ruqyah for him, and he was healed. The chief gave him thirty sheep as a gift and some milk. When he came back to us we said to him, `You know of a (new) Ruqyah, or did you do this before' He said, `I only used Umm Al-Kitab as Ruqyah.' We said, `Do not do anything further until we ask the Messenger of Allah.' When we went back to Al-Madinah we mentioned what had happened to the Prophet . The Prophet said,
«وَمَا كَانَ يُدْرِيهِ أَنَّهَا رُقْيَةٌ اقْسِمُوا وَاضْرِبُوا لِي بِسَهْمٍ»
(Who told him that it is a Ruqyah Divide (the sheep) and reserve a share for me.)''
Also, Muslim recorded in his Sahih, and An-Nasa'i in his Sunan that Ibn `Abbas said, "While Jibril (Gabriel) was with the Messenger of Allah , he heard a noise from above. Jibril lifted his sight to the sky and said, `This is a door in heaven being open, and it has never been opened before now.' An angel descended from that door and came to the Prophet and said, `Receive the glad tidings of two lights that you have been given, which no other Prophet before you was given: the Opening of the Book and the last (three) Ayat of Surat Al-Baqarah. You will not read a letter of them, but will gain its benefit.''' This is the wording collected by An-Nasa'i (Al-Kubra 5:12) and Muslim recorded similar wording (1:554). |
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XXX
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Majdi wrote: |
This is XXX's introduction.
| XXX wrote: |
| A pathetic attempt at trying to proove something which isn't even there. |
First part in XXX's refutation.
| XXX wrote: |
| Yes of course it would be great according to you. You'll praise the first bullsh!t piece of work against Islam you can find. |
side note : Strong argument, supported by concrete example.
Second part in XXX's refutation.
| XXX wrote: |
| Anyone that knows anything about the Sunnah knows what that hadith means. Naturally, only idiots would desperatly attempt to see what isn't even there. |
side note : Pure logic and deduction used here, muslims interprete the hadith right, non-muslims deceive and lie ( amazing ).
XXX's conclusion and challenge to the author.
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| Do make an attempt to find it. I'd like to see this so called hadith. |
. How many times do we need to tell you to debate and not throw cheap talk. Ha ? |
Uh, i don't recall claiming that my post was a refutation of what he wrote. I was pointing out what utter bullsh!t it was.
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| side note : Pure logic and deduction used here, muslims interprete the hadith right, non-muslims deceive and lie |
Uh actually yeah, that is spot on. Any scholar worth his salt knows what that hadith is all about. It seems people here have a habit now to nit-pick every little detail and over-exagerate what it actually means.
Tell me Majdi, do you have anything better to do then to folllow me around the forum and well, launching personal attacks in every post you make?
It seems what-ever section of this forum i post, you are there to launch your attacks on me, disguised in a reply to me. Why do you do this? Do you enjoy attacking and insulting muslims?
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Hello XXX,
I see you on various threads trying to answer people here (and not donig a very good job of it) . I dont know if you are for real or just someone pretending to play a muslim but if you are a muslim would you mind telling me what draws you to post here and respond to poeple who do no more than 'spit in your face' ? I''m almost close to asking you 'do you not have any self respect or dignity'. |
Yes. No self-respect, no dignitiy, i'm just playing a muslim and your right, i'm not doing a very good job of defending Islam. I just like posting for the sake of it, you know to well...Kill time. I don't have much of a life so i sit behind a computer for 12 hours a day and look for ways to kill time, this being one of the.
Junkmaster- That remark was directed at Buffy. She said in Ibn Warrq's book she saw a hadith about so and so and i asked her to find and post it if she can. |
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buffy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| XXX wrote: |
| It seems people here have a habit now to nit-pick every little detail and over-exagerate what it actually means.. |
OIw, details? You call raping a young girl and massacring hundreds of jews details...
| XXX wrote: |
| It seems what-ever section of this forum i post, you are there to launch your attacks on me, disguised in a reply to me. Why do you do this? Do you enjoy attacking and insulting muslims?. |
You've got some nerve XXX! It is exactly what you do for a long time already. You don't answer, you hit and run and when you come back, you try to divert the subject in a typical islamic strategy.
However, calling a spade a spade is not insulting. Muslims support a pedophile who raped a kid and who was a blood-thirsty warmonger. It would be an insult only if it was a lie.
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| Yes. No self-respect, no dignitiy, i'm just playing a muslim blablablah. |
You're not playing a muslim. You are a muslim. That needs no explanation.
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| Junkmaster- That remark was directed at Buffy. She said in Ibn Warrq's book she saw a hadith about so and so and i asked her to find and post it if she can. |
I can't because I don't have the book. But I ask those who do to show the hadith. |
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peaceforever
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| XXX wrote: |
Uh, i don't recall claiming that my post was a refutation of what he wrote. I was pointing out what utter bullsh!t it was.
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you can't write a single word contesting what I wrote yet you call it BS! what do I call it? Islamic intelligence?
thanks.
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Musafir
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| Your source didn't load, please give a good link. Thanks. |
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peaceforever
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| Your source didn't load, please give a good link. Thanks. |
Musafir,
yes, there is problem with link. It seems they have a very slow server. please do keep pressing the refersh button, hopefully it should work. if it doesn't Junkmaster has copied the whole pasted the entire commentry a couple of posts back.
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Peaceforever.
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