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Armand777
Joined: 11 Jun 2006
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Location: Karnak
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 Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: CAIR and radical religionism |
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The truth about CAIR:
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR spokesperson said:
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| "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education." |
The Americans have two problems: radical fundamentalist Islamists, and radical fundamentalist Xtians (Robertson, Falwell and the Dominionist lunatics, etc.), both of these groups, interestingly enough, allegedly having the “only true” religion (somebody is obviously full of it), and all of the other “heretics” are “going to “hell””. Both groups also want the U.S. to be totally under their control.
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| ….. Let's also teach people that muhammadism has no room for any culture( no arts of any form, no literature, no science, no freedom of speech, no social events, etc...)…. |
…a well-stated post to be sure. “Fatwas” have been issued in Egypt against the production of sculpture, a classic form of Artistic Expression. In NW Pakistan, the MMA (Pakistani version of the Taliban) forbid the people there to play and enjoy the music of their own Cultural Heritage. Radical fundie Xtians want no part of embryonic stem cell research, despite the promise it has in treating neurological problems, etc., etc….
But this is what fundamentalist moronism does, with its fear, guilt and control-mongering. The repression, backwardness, bondage, death, misery and societal/cultural destruction under the ignorance and barbarism of radical theocratic “Abraham”ic religionism over the centuries is incalculable.
As per Hooper’s comment about education, education will tell us that the OT (“the book”) consists of some historical characters, mixed in with unsubstantiated myth and self-contradictions. NT pseudepigraphical constructs have been demonstrated to be incongruous. The Qur’an also contains inconsistencies, as elucidated on elsewhere at this site. Yet we are asked to believe that these, despite Scientific impossibilities and all of the other afore-mentioned problems, are alleged “revelations” by the “perfect” “omniscient” deity that Created everything, and not only that, but also to kowtow to the deranged prelates and mullahs who promulgate it as such.
Religion is an external framework invented by men. Spirituality is an Internal Process. The fundie is totally clueless when it comes to Esoteric Gnosis and Personal Growth, which should be common to anyone claiming to be Spiritual, regardless of religion.
True Spirituality Transcends religion.
The control-mongering hierocracy of big religion only cares about one thing….the protection of their positions of power, self-aggrandizement and profiteering.
Of course, the only thing worse than a statist is……a religio-statist.
As for education, that is exactly what we will do, to help people break the chains of religionist bondage and stand against those who intend to place the whole of the civilized world under the influence of their stultifying, primitive and barbaric dogmatic inventions.
Armand
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Sorge
Joined: 13 Mar 2004
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Location: Against the Tide
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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"As expected, all you provided was an article from a known anti-Islamic bias web site that is full of assumptions and accusasations with no real evidence."
Hey buddy, I've heard their spokesperson Hooper twice now on interviews say that he would rather see democracy in America replaced with Sharia law. If you defend these people you are on the other side, period. |
Ah, what a thing of beauty: he asks for "evidence not from anti-Islamic web sites", but as soon as somebody provides the evidence, the become an anti-Islamic website!
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rudrasharman
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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| Ah, what a thing of beauty: he asks for "evidence not from anti-Islamic web sites", but as soon as somebody provides the evidence, the become an anti-Islamic website! |
Of course! Isn't evidence anti-islamic?
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spipou
Joined: 06 Aug 2005
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Location: France
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Readrussellandlearn,
Which values are we defending ?
I don't know for we USA, but there are in Europe many Muslims who don't want to change constitutions, conquer the infidels, etc.
My Muslim friends have never try to proselitize me. I wouldn't like them to be deported.
We are not fighting the individuals as human beings, we are fighting an ideology. Is it human rights we want to save, or not ?
And see this : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5144526.stm
If only the known propagandists of this ideology would be deported, it would already make so many people that I am not sure all the governments together could manage the transport means necessary for that ! Not to speak about the police or army forces needed for that ! Let's begin with that, beginning with the most dangerous. Many of them are known publicly or by the intelligence services. Believe me, only that would be a hard task !
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| Ah, what a thing of beauty: he asks for "evidence not from anti-Islamic web sites", but as soon as somebody provides the evidence, the become an anti-Islamic website! |
More, he proposed to give us islamic sites, but he haven't given a single one yet ! Let us give him some, in case he is in shortage of them (I can't resist this time  ) :
http://www.jusonenews.com/
I see they have change from JihadUnspun to JUS, making it a little better taqqyistic, but I accept to go to islamic hell if they don't shoot in their own feet on some page ! 
Hit ! Better than MEMRI ! Make your own choice :
http://www.jusonenews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=6&id=31&Itemid=54 |
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future
Joined: 25 Jul 2006
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Let the truth about Islam be known.
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That's the heart of the matter, an advanced and educated society doesn't dwell on opinions but facts and the truth.
If muhammadans want to introduce islam, let them have it, say it as it is, the facts vs. opinions and let the people be the judge.
Muhammad the pedophile murdered people, rape women and had sex with a child while he had more than a dozen "wives." He took other people's property, ordered and participated in genocides.
He advocated lying and cheating.
All evidenced in moron's koran itself.
Other facts follow that muhammadans have always been the invaders and attacked several nations, the historic facts proves all of that.
All of that VS the insane opinion of some angel named Gabriel with 600 wings telling muhammad in a cave that gold told him(Gabriel) to tell muhammada to tell people that he will talking on behalf of god, and he kept receiving IMs from god for 23 years to come, (to serve his best interest.)
That's the reality of islam, facts VS opinions.
Let's teach that to the people, and let them decide.
Let's also teach people that muhammadism has no room for any culture( no arts of any form, no literature, no science, no freedom of speech, no social events, etc...)
Let's also teach people that muhammadaism dictates people what to think, what to eat, what to say, how to dress, and how to use rocks to wipe their asses.
Let's teach that to the people, and let them decide.
Instead of just saying islam is peace or the freedom of religion and right to privacy bull sh!t.
I have talked about these facts to more than a hundred kids over time, and let them decide if it's right or wrong.
The muhammadansim as it is, hundreds of millions of brain damaged, oppressed, angry and hateful lazy people and the muhammadansim that muhammadans are brainwashed to think it is full of jins and virgins., where they have to kill and plunder the jins to get their virgins.
Keep it up, and share the facts with people, specially young people and the kids and ask them to share it with others if they think it's imporatnt facts to know, and how it can save the humanity from the grave danger of muhammadan fascist invasions
Do it all time for the rest of your lives every chance you get, and you'll reach millions of people in the end. |
Hi Happy_x,
Congrates on writing a good article based on facts but you are forgetting strength of Islam. And now days their real strength not based upon their great philosophy or god but on money and population. I have seen many Muslim families with more than 25 kids.
Suppose, we try to convince all of 25 kids with facts related to evil deed of islam. And if 5 out of 25 understood our facts and ready to leave islam. Can they do it? What other 20 will do?
Fact is those 20 going to kill these 5 people. And those 5 if having to much brain to understand truth of islam then they can also understand the dangers of leaving islam and death coming to them from inside their own family.
Just imagine, We are over internet and discussing the facts of islam but so much afraid in disclosing our identity even over internet then how can those 5 people can leave the islam while they going to live with same monsters for rest of life.
Just put yourself in same situation and try to find a way.
What do you think?
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ilchiumeamaro
Joined: 22 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Readrussellandlearn,
Which values are we defending ?
I don't know for we USA, but there are in Europe many Muslims who don't want to change constitutions, conquer the infidels, etc. |
Yes, but can you say for sure which ones ARE and which one AREN"T? They scream the same tone on almost anything political.
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| My Muslim friends have never try to proselitize me. I wouldn't like them to be deported. |
Who said about deporting. But at the same token, we must inform them the real Quran.
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We are not fighting the individuals as human beings, we are fighting an ideology. Is it human rights we want to save, or not ?
And see this : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5144526.stm
If only the known propagandists of this ideology would be deported, it would already make so many people that I am not sure all the governments together could manage the transport means necessary for that ! Not to speak about the police or army forces needed for that ! Let's begin with that, beginning with the most dangerous. Many of them are known publicly or by the intelligence services. Believe me, only that would be a hard task ! |
So what are we going to do? Let them preach about the beauty of jihad? |
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spipou
Joined: 06 Aug 2005
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Location: France
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I have never said that ! Those who preach the beauty of Jihad, let's deport them ! Only in Europe, it will make thousands... And I think that, if European countries had the guts to do that - which is not the case yet - and to let it known publicly, it would make all whose who would be eager to do the same think a little first. Force demonstrations make always Muslims think a little !
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| They scream the same tone on almost anything political. |
I don't know in the US, but in Europe there are many Muslims who don't even have set a foot in a mosquée in their all life. Actually they don't come from the same countries as those who speak about "the beauties of Jihad". I know both people. In France, the Jihadists and the moderate-but-islamist-by-one-side-or-another are Arabs. These ones (I don't mean all arabs) must be deported, but it will take first the step to have government with guts, then to implement logistical measures (transports ; it is not so easy to deport thousands and thousands people), and, most important, publicize the event, so that everybody who is not willing to respect a secular constitution knows what awaits him/her.
And supposing their home countries are willing to accept them back, which is not a given !  |
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royalist cavalier
Joined: 08 Apr 2006
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Location: London, United Kingdom
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C.A.I.R. stands for Council of American Islamic Roundheads.
Time to destroy this Fith Colum before it destroys us. We should march these Islamic Roundheads to the sea and tell them to swim to North Africa and hopefully a Battalion of Great White Sharks wil eat them up before they can reach North Africa.
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Yttrium
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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C.A.I.R. stands for Council of American Islamic Roundheads.
Time to destroy this Fith Colum before it destroys us. We should march these Islamic Roundheads to the sea and tell them to swim to North Africa and hopefully a Battalion of Great White Sharks wil eat them up before they can reach North Africa. |
Ah, that was a lovely fantasy, Cavalier. I like your idea, only I think they ought to be shipped to Saudi Arabia and Iraq. North African Amazigh have their hands full of enough Islamic wackos as it is. They're still fighting to have Thefina on public signs -- it's the majority language of that country, not Arabic -- yet the Amazigh are constantly referred to as an "ethnic minority" in Algeria, Morocco and Tunsia. They comprise, at minimum, 65% of the population of those countries!
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ExposingIslamofascism
Joined: 03 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:06 am Post subject: Re: Let's take down CAIR |
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MODS please sticky this post:
It's time for you to help take down an insurgent U.S. Islamist organization.
Dear fellow members of the United American Committee and friends. It has come to our attention that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security recently granted the radical Council on American Islamic Relations a detailed tour of American airport security
measures. Please modify and send the sample letter below to your representatives in Washington expressing outrage over this breach of national security. To find your representative go to: http://www.firstgov.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
See the sample letter below or pass this link to others to download it in .doc format.
Please edit the sample letter below to send to your reps regarding this issue:
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Honorable XXX
Congressmen or Senator
U.S. House of Representatives or Senate
Hon. XXX
I am writing to express my extreme outrage over a recent private tour by the U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security of U.S. airport security and a briefing on what screeners do to catch potential terrorists. The source of my outrage is that this was done for a private interest of a national organization which has ties to terrorism and extremist activities. It was a national organization whose Texas chapter board member, Ghassan Elashi, was recently found guilty of terrorism charges, and whose spokesperson, Ibrahim Hooper, has stated in interviews that he believe America should be under Islamic law rather than democracy. These are just some of many examples of ties to extremism and terrorism for this group. The group is the Council on American Islamic Relations (C.A.I.R.).
While no private interest should be receiving guided tours of security, it is sheer foolishness to allow such a tour to the leadership of a terrorist front such as C.A.I.R. This is the exact kind of political correctness that our enemies thrive on. We have a domestic insurgency which uses our laws against us, and whose ultimate goal is the destruction of our nation, and our way of life. Our enemies thrive on taking advantage of our freedoms and establishing sympathetic organizations in this country. For terrorist cells to function, they must have operational, logistical, and financial support from inside the target country. Organizations, such as the Council on American Islamic Relations, are those support organizations. The conviction of Ghassan Elashi is just one of many indicators, but the bottom line is, where there is smoke, there is fire.
For the sweet sake of this blessed nation, and as my elected representation in Washington, would you please cry havoc and hold someone accountable for this breach of national security. As the will of the people, let our executive branch know that we will not stand for Islamic extremists to be given guided tours of security, provide sensitivity training, or otherwise subvert our safety. Know for certain, this is my issue at the voting both far and above all others.
Sincerely,
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Address
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So do you think CAIR is a terrorist Organization? If so, please provide some detail evidence (without providing links to known anti-Islamic bias sites). Could it be possible that CAIR is not a terrorist organization, but you simply don't agree with them? In that case, do they have the democratic right to defend Muslims and speak out? |
Could it be that you are a Muslim or a naive liberal? |
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ExposingIslamofascism
Joined: 03 Nov 2005
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| Done, and forwarded to hundreds of other people who will most likely send it and forward it. |
happy_x, in six months time please get back to us and let us know how successful the 'taking down CAIR' mission was. Make sure its more successful that Israel's recent military 'victory.' |
CAIR is one their way down and Israel will not be so nice next time. |
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Cortez
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Walk down this beaten path before you pack your things and head home
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Vernon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| What do you suggest? We can't deport them all. |
 Now there is a GREAT idea! Why not deport them?
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sun
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Before CAIR can be taken down, American should take down its own disease of PC (political correctness).
It is under the PC skirt that CAIR is hiding, without this kind of protective skirt, it easier to take down CAIR and moments that are detemential to the interest of the US.
Before you remove the disease of other, you should first remove your own. |
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Canadian_Couple
Joined: 30 Oct 2006
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Location: Right Behind You Jihadi, BOO!!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| sun wrote: |
Before CAIR can be taken down, American should take down its own disease of PC (political correctness).
It is under the PC skirt that CAIR is hiding, without this kind of protective skirt, it easier to take down CAIR and moments that are detemential to the interest of the US.
Before you remove the disease of other, you should first remove your own. |
Extremely well put sun. |
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