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freeland
Joined: 30 Jun 2004
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windfall: When there was a vaccination against deadly illnesses in the Ottoman state, your Europeans were urinating in the streets (read Volter a little bit).
I wonder then why many Muslims still die of disease such as poliomyelitis, tuberculosis, diphtheria etc.. and why are the Muslims who urinate in the street now.
You are still living in the past, this is the reason why Islamic societies are the most poor and backward countries in the world.
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freeland
Joined: 30 Jun 2004
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Windfall: Every time you and other atheist bastards are against God, His people and His works - I will be here just to return it to you.
This is Islam's concept of “freedom of speech and religion”. This is why Europeans don’t want Muslims in our countries.
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Iznogoodh
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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| freeland wrote: |
| Iznogoodh I admire people (even fundamentalists) who speak their minds, thou I don’t agree whit them at all, at least they have the guts to say what they think, rather then hypocrites afraid do be unpopular or labelled as racists. So everybody is beautiful, nice, pleasant, lovely, intelligent… This hypocrisy and dishonesty. I’m not talking about you in particular; this is something very common nowadays. This people is the cause of today’s trouble. Yes lets say Muslims are nice, peaceful, loving, tolerant, respectful people, for the sake of the politically correctness. |
Most people are nice, pleasant, lovely. Muslims too. Are you surprised? It doesn't change of course the fact that Islam has very questionable parts. Nor does it change the fact that most Muslims don't know what is in the Quran.
Nor does it change the fact that this site knows of quite some Muslim-fanatics and quite some fanatic Muslim-haters.
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Hector
Joined: 24 May 2004
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Location: Astroistan
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| When there was a vaccination against deadly illnesses in the Ottoman state, your Europeans were urinating in the streets (read Volter a little bit). |
Lady Mary Wortley Montagu first introduced vaccination into England in 1721 using the Turkish method of deliberating infection with a mild form of smallpox. Unfortunately this method of innoculation failed as many people died from the very disease they were trying to protect themselves against. Therefore, the Turkish method of vaccination was a failure.
Edward Jenner's great advance was to notice that individuals who had contracted cowpox (a relative of smallpox) rarely caught smallpox. In 1796 he deliberately infected an 8-year-old boy with the pus from a cowpox sore. The boy became ill but recovered. Jenner then infected him with the normally deadly smallpox (highly unethical according to the standards of today). The boy never caught smallpox as Jenner predicted, thus the modern practice of vaccination was born.
Jenner published his results in 1798 after many more successful vaccinations. However many doctors still practiced the dangerous Turkish practice of innoculation with live smallpox pus. It was not until 1840 when the Turkish method was banned and in 1853 Jenner's method was made compulsory.
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shima
Joined: 29 May 2004
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Your goal is to diminish God, His word, His Law and His followers (in any religion). OK.
My goal is to stay here and bring some (even a little) bad feelings into your facking nature. So, take it and live with it.
Every time you and other atheist bastards are against God, His people and His works - I will be here just to return it to you. |
San turk san? 
Do you even understand what you say?
It's good for you that you have a goal to bring bad feelings to people. We already know that's what islam does.
You are a joke
Here return this you fascist bastard, muhammad was a pedophile thief. Is that what your god tells you to do?
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pilgrim
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Hello, you sick fascist. |
Hello Ripened prune blown down by the wind.
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| What predestination are you talking about? What Europeans do you mean when say that they reject Predestination from God and stick to the Free Will (of theirs of course)? Do you mean Calvinists? Or maybe you mean Lutherans? |
Muslims submit to Islam and subscribe to Fate and Predestination. All is recorded in that Tablet of Fate since eternity. It is Insha'allah (God Willing). Muslims sit and wait and wait and wait. Allah shall provide.
Yes God provide but for the industrious hard working. As for the Fate, Predestination and Insha'allah (God Willing) Muslims they just wait till few occasionally win the Lotto when oil gushes under their ass.
Calvin did believe in predestination with a twist. He taught that salvation and fortune and poverty are all by grace of God. But he also required personal inniative, a quality lacking in Muslims due to their total reliance on Fate and Predestination.
As to Lutherans, Luther did teach that men/women are justified (saved by faith in "the lord Jesus Christ, though grace of God". Luther predestination applied only to salvation. People still had to work hard and be industrious to improve themselves in the world. Luther's theolgy was as different from Islam as light is from darkness. Lutherism (Protestantism) did evolve and adapt to progressive ideas that came about with the European enlightenment and political liberality resulting from the ideals of French revolution. Muslims neither evolve nor adapt to progressive ideas. Muslims are aliens to understanding and practical application of liberty, equality, and fraternity.
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| You promote hate here, hatred and violence. |
I use the power of the word to jolt your conscience violently. I hope I succede, so that you as a Muslim go among your fellow Muslims and teach them by example to understand and the practical application of liberty , equality, and fraternity. And to teach by example your fellow Muslims charity toward non Muslims. Not the phony "protection" for people of the Book, and real charity to the rest of non Muslims.
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| When there was a vaccination against deadly illnesses in the Ottoman state, your Europeans were urinating in the streets (read Volter a little bit). |
Did not work. Hector explained it.
Ottoman Turkish Empire has been the only non contributing empire in the history of the world besides that of the Mongols (Tatars).
Ottoman Turks banned printing, which has been the foundation of universal education and rapid progress due to wide spread of ideas among masses of literate people. Turks remained backward. It is still true today.
Here is another proof.
My paternal grandmother (Iraq) used to make a powder, a majic cure all for eyed diseases. It worked on some and did not work on others. She had a secret formula. We did not know then about Pheizer and Merck, and Glazsow to sell them the formula for $400 million
What we call folk medicine was practiced all over the planet, and each region including Turks and Europeans, and Chinese, and American Indians. Some folk medicine cured, others were neutral and others were harmful.
As Hector pointed, the Turkish vaccination was deadly. DEad and placed in grave under dirt.
All the Middle East was comprised of several Ottoman Turkish provinces since about 1500 to 1918 when liberated by Europeans.
Around 1900 the population of European countries is about where it is now.
The Population of Turkey was about 8 million, today it is about 70
The population of Iraq was abouy 1.9 millions, today it is 25 millions
And so on for the rest such as Syria and Arabian peninsula. And same for the rest of Islamic world.
When Britain liberated Iraq from Ottoman Turkish coloniolosm in 1918 epidemics were rampant and the people under Turkish coloniolism were as poor, backward, and ignorant as the worst in Turkey itse;f. There were Trachoma, which to this day causes blindness in all Islamic countries even though British scientists and doctors developed cure for it and administered it for Iraqis. There were Balharsia, a dilabitating urinary tract disease, malaria, typhoid, small pox, meazles, and scores others. And there was (Bajal) a form of vinereal disease widely spread in Southern Iraq (Shi'a Muslim). British discovered it was contracted by men copulationg with animals: buffalo, sheep, cow, jack asses, etc. Probably even with a restrained wild boar, whose meat is prohibited by Islam with violators going straight to heel, but there is no prohibition (as far as I know) from entering his ass by a horny slave of Allah.
And the British scientists and doctors developed new medicines for diseases they had never encountered in Europe, or other parts of the British empire. They adminstered, inoculated, distributed, and informed the public to go to clinics, and also had mobile clinics for small villages, with two small population to establish a permanent clinic.
Here is a question for you Windfall ( a orune blown down by the wind).
Muslims claim Islam is the fastest growing religion. The credit goes to infidels for providing free medicine, and baby formula, and food for the grown up.
Is this the work of Allah?
The Work of Satan?
The work of the charitable and good natured non Muslims who never reciprocate by being nice?
Why are Muslims such sour puss despite all that is given them freely and kindly?
Why do they return kindness with a desire to cut the hand that cures them and feeds them and clothes them, and give them board and shelter?
Why?
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scaredguy
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Islam can not teach muslims to be honest - really genuinely honest. The muslim must, per force of his indoctrination, ignorance and intimidation, twist everything to make islam look great. Hence any dialogue with muslims turns out to be a waste of time. And yet it has to be done so that things do not become worse. Islam will be destroyed only by the grace of some non-allah god. It will happen with muslims cutting each others throats as a result of the accumulated lies and stupidity of islam and muslims falling back upon them. When it is going to happen, that I do not know.
Many non-muslims too will suffer terribly during the ferocious destruction and self-destruction of islam. |
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scaredguy
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All muslims are participating in the slow extermination of non-muslims. No muslim is an exception to it. Any one who labels himself a muslim, be it out of ignorance or fear or stupid tradition or upbringing or laziness, is somehow contributing to the extermination of non-muslims.
Human beings end up doing things even unintentionally. No one who calls himself a muslim is innocent in the on-going war of attrition against the non-muslims. No matter how decent an individual muslim in his speech or behaviour, he is contributing to this war.
Islam = submission = mental slavery. What good can come from an ideology that has such a name (given by the beduin god allah himself)?
ISLAM = Idiocy Subservience Lasciviousness Anger Madness
JIHAD = Jingoism Inquisition Hatred Aggression Destruction
UMMAH = United Muslim Monolith for Arabic (Aggression and) Hegemony
The FFI is not a hate-site but a fear-site. It rightly teaches to fear islam by exposing islam's dangerousness, wickedness, lies.
A human being who is not afraid of islam is like a blind-deaf man walking towards a rattlesnake. Is it not our duty to stop this man as quickly as possible – even if we have to employ some slight non-injurious physical force to achieve this goal?
Good luck to FFI. |
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freeland
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I think it is very difficult for some ex (born) Muslims to be totally fair in exposing their (ex) religion, especially when they still have Muslims relatives or still live in an Islamic country.
Someone said: “many Muslims are good and peaceful indeed”. Wrong.
Islam is either black or white, good or bad; And HERE if I’m not mistaken, we are talking about Muslims and Islam, not laicism or modernization. There are no betweens because then you are not a Muslim anymore and it is not Islam anymore according to Muhammad and Quran.
A person with common sense will never admire or agree with a part (even small) of Nazism, Fascism, Stalinism. A “modern” Nazi or Fascist is never “good and peaceful”. We can say the same for a Muslim. A good "Muslim" is not a real Muslim anymore. To be the way he is, He had to refute most of Quran and Sunna. (i.e stoning, hate or killing kuffars, discrimination etc.). How can you call Him Muslim anymore? Even scholars will agree with me.
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jimmytheclaw
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the word muslim is wrong followers of mohammed should be called mohammedans. just like followers of jesus the christ are called christians.
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