Aren't you satisfied? Then leave!

Ali Sina · Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 4607

Aren't you satisfied? Then leave!

By Stefania A.
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bilrak · Joined: 02 Apr 2004 Posts: 139 Location: India

What a great article - hope politicians in Europe get to read it. We have some non PC columnist in India too - Tavleen Singh & Gurumurthy for eg. India had a great opportunity to ask all Muslims to leave for Pakistan in 1947 - which is what the RSS was pushing for. Unfortunately the Congress Party under Nehru would not allow that - now we are perpetually stuck with this troublesome 15% minority. Here is a good article on PC in India by Tavleen Singh.

http://www.satribune.com/archives/jul4_10_04/P1_singh.htm

babushree · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:19 am Post subject:

if they don't leave then force them out back to islamabia. all these debaters on this forum, who never stop admiring this peaceful islam and criticize the hospitality of their host "the evil west" should be deported.

MarkTwain · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:49 pm Post subject:

So? Go ahead and write it regardless. It's not like I haven't heard that sentiment expressed before today anyway. It needs to be repeated over and over amoungst the unbelievers but it would fall off the true believer's deaf ears, it's like telling the Borg "if you don't the the federation stay away" when they're driven (programmed) to assimulation. I once heard from a "Palestinian" that the "peace processes" didn't matter because soon the they will overpopulate the Israelis and vote them out of their democracy and take over.

I hope her book Infedele is out in English, I'll check it out.
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piggy · Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 6372 Location: Godwana

Good stuff!

I have sent copies to various Ministers of Aust. Fed. Govt. including Howard.

Articles like this should be sent en-masse to "letters to the editor" "have your say" etc. columns of major tabloids.

It seems for a Mohammed-followers to swear an oath of allegiance to an "infidel" nation at their citizenship ceremonies, would be to lie by default.

They cannot be believed or trusted.

Islam is not a religion, it is a fascist, political-party with rituals and dark superstitions.

freeland · Joined: 30 Jun 2004 Posts: 179 Location: Italy

It’s not politically correct to say or write such things especially here in Italy. If you do, you’ll be labelled as a racist, a Jew, pro American and so on. Muslims are a minority so they should be protected even though they despise us. Many Italian ladies are converting to Islam. Mamma mia!

Ciao, Stefania

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Mughal · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:05 pm Post subject:

Dear stefania,

greetings and welcome to the forum. it was very nice of you to join us on this forum.

Your article takes care of various vital aspects of islamic bag of tricks, exellently. I hope you are able to continue contributing to this forum. I certainly look forward to that.

many many thanks, love and
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IoshkaFutz · Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3895 Location: Caput Mundistan

Ciao Freeland!

Benvenuta nel forum!

Italy has Oriana Fallaci. Have you noticed the way her best seller has received near total silence in the press?

Italians must bring the Islamic issue into sharper focus. Right now only the Lega is interested or such people as Ferrara and Feltri.

I've been Jihading on English speaking Islamic forums for a while, but work permitting, I will return to the forums of La Stampa (one of my posts even got an interesting response from Fiamma Nirenstein), Corriere and why not - even L'Unità!

There's much to do. The Northerners here (Dutch and Swedes) are far ahead in promoting awareness. But Italians are less politically correct (by nature) as shown by old Berlusca who comes out and says "Our culture is superior."

Please stick around here at FFI.

E' una bella e giusta battaglia!

Ioshka

freeland · Joined: 30 Jun 2004 Posts: 179 Location: Italy

All Italian ladies are attracted by Arabs. They are handsome, kind, old fashion and some of them have money… (a very important thing for Italian ladies!) at least before marriage! :-D
At the beginning are so gentle, it’s difficult not to fall in love with them. They look so strong but at the same time sweet.. After marriage to please their Muslim husbands, they embrace Islam without knowing a thing about it, about their culture or traditions. They watch documentaries on Sharm al Sheik, Tunis, Casablanca, that’s all.
They really believe Muhammad was a great man; that Islam is a religion of peace that respects women. They don’t even try to know more. But, as it happened to me, they will eventually understand what kind of religion is and what kind of husbands Muslims are.
Perhaps after becoming mothers, but at that stage it will be to late. I’m doing my best to expose Islam, but nobody wants to listen. What shall I do?

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freeland · Joined: 30 Jun 2004 Posts: 179 Location: Italy

ciao a tutti

It's a pleasure for me to be here. Ali is a wonderful person, and you all too :-D

Unfortunally Italians hate Oriana Fallaci, her books were criticized (especially by communist ) and some stupid bigots even brought her to court. Italians are afraid to speak or they just don’t care. The only things that matters for them are; money, women, cars. We have to educate them in order to get read of this intolerant and stupid religion.
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Darius · Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 581

Mughal · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject:

Dear stefania,

You are absolutely right that at first sight people do not like what we say about islam and muslims but tell you the truth that they do come round after they realise the truth of what we state.

Not long ago, you would hardly see any website that criticised islam and muslims because website hosts were too frightened of muslim reaction. Now you can see many websites that are very critical of islam. In fact books are coming out from publishers that we could not dream of. So we must be making some progress would you not agree? This being the case we can hope the very same for the future. People are waking up to islam, the reality, that is facing them just like ourselves. So please remain hopeful and take courage from this and carry on the best you can. Things will have to change for the better everywhere including Italy. It is people like you who are going to bring about the necesary change for the good of the people.

Regards and
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Mughal · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:18 pm Post subject:

Dear darius,

it is good that some muslims are beginning to condemn some of the terrorists from amongst themselves and we welcome that but condemnation alone is not enough to stop the actual terrorism because ideological problems remain the same.

Unless muslims accept separation between spiritual islam and political islam things will not change much as I see it. As for animosity between islam and nonmuslim world, that is declared by islam and nonmuslims are only reacting to it.

The day Muhammad openly renounced faith of his forefathers and condemned it and not only that but also tried converting his relatives and declared animosity between the faithful and the infidel. Please read the quran to see who started animosity to begin with. Since muslims cannot be muslims unless they follow the quran and the hadith, it is therefore not possible for muslims to live in peace with the nonmuslims. You cannot blame nonmuslims for becoming aware of islamic teachings and trying to protect themselves from its dangers.

regards and
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babushree · Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject:

Kanad · Joined: 24 Apr 2004 Posts: 610

Stefania's concerns and agony for the experiences she has undergone due to the presence of Mulsim immigrants in Italy is fully understandable. Many more Europeans have similar stories to tell. These experiences become frightening when one considers what the presence of a large Muslim population portends for the future of Western European countries. Western Europeans should justifiably be concerned of their Muslim guests.

Stefania asks "who asked them(Muslims) to come to Western European countries?" implying that Europeans should not be held responsible for the presence of the Muslim population in their midst. This is where Stefania makes a grave mistake in telling her story.

Europeans are solely responsible for the presence of Muslim population in Western European countries.
To begin with, Western European countries decided to bring in large number of Muslim immigrants after WWII as cheap laborers. The their family members were allowed in and they all anchored their roots in European soil. Now, floodgates for illegal immigrants have opened in Europe.

After a thousand year of bitter experience with Islam and Muslims it seems like the Europeans never learnt the lessons of history. They gave in to their greed for quick economic gains at the expense of their countries' future. Europeans now have to and need to pay full penalty for their greeds.
Given the inherently blood thirsty characteristics of European culture, it is possible, although no one can predict the probability, that Europeans will one day gang up and drive the Muslims back to where they came from.
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