Let's clear up all this pedophilia garbage...

[sahara]

Excellent post Ummah Allergic.

I learnt alot from it.

[nightthief]

[nightthief]

[shoeshiner]

I agree, whe wrote a very informative article.

My take on this is that if you can get a hard on for a 9 year old girl, no matter if she has reached puberty or not, then you are a pedophile. I don't care what any organization says or how anyone wants to define what pedophilia is. Mo not only got a hard on for Aisha, but he started having sex with her at 9. It is abnormal and evil. Also, that is not what a "prophet of all time" should promote.

[darth]

[DaSerpent]

[plata moya]

[Junkmaster]

The topic title is far from neutral. Why does an atheist feel the need to defend a 7th century warlord's sexual desires? Is Muhammad's pedophilia the only thing you consider 'garbage' or do you also consider the charges about his slave trading, murdering, robbing, religious intolerance, and raping as garbage as well?
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[Hector]

Pedophilia is merely a convenient tag for Mo f*cking a nine-year-old child. We could make up any number of words to convey the moral opprobrium of a 53-year-old man having sex with a 9-year-old child. What sort of man can obtain sexual arousal with a 9-year-old girl anyway, irrespective of whether she had or had not achieved menarche?
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What sort of man would f*ck a sweet little prepubescent nine-year-old child who liked playing with dolls and swings? Mo the demon Pedophile.

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[Hector]

[Critus]

Superb! Umma_allergic, to be frank I never failed to catch more than what I need from your posts. Very genuine and insightful.....

Many thumbs up!!

Cheers
CS
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[piscohot]

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[umma_allergic]

Thanks for the positive feedback on my post.

My guess is that Nightthief was not trying to defend, exonerate, or in any other way assess the ethics of Mohammed's marriage to Aisha. Rather, he was interested in bringing greater accuracy to the discussion of this historical fact, by introducing clearer definitions. My guess is that he thought people were throwing around a clinical term, "pedophile", without really knowing what it meant, back on the board where this conversation originates.

In the community of people who deal with sexual abuse, it is important to differentiate child sexual abuse and child molestation from pedophilia. Pedophilia is relatively rare, whereas child abuse and child molestation are much, much more common. Government and social policies, when they are written, are usually targeted at the broader phenomenon of child sexual abuse, rather than pedophilia per se. Pedophilia per se is the interest of a small set of specialists in the psychiatric community, whereas the effort to stop child sexual abuse is much larger. However, people unfamiliar with the issue of child sexual abuse often mistakenly call it pedophilia - a much narrower term. Advocates for these kids need to point out that pedophiles form only a small percentage of those people who sexually abuse kids.

So in some contexts, distinctions like these are important. In fact, if Mohammed had not been a pedophile, and if we had seen this use of children as culturally-rooted, we still would have been able to make the case that a culture of the sexual abuse of children is piggybacking on Islam. However, there are indications, independent of Mohammed's marriage to Aisha, that he was in fact a pedophile, and his sexualization of children went beyond the norms for the culture of his time.

I think it is important to promulgate awareness of this additional support for Mohammed's pedophilia, to support the case that he was a pedophile. I have always hoped that evidence of Islam's lack of ethical universalism would open up the eyes of muslims to the problems with their religion, but this is rarely the case. I have observed that Mohammed's pedophilia, on the other hand, does cause the kind of cognitive dissonance that makes some of them reevaluate their loyalties. It is thus a crucial topic for liberating people from the Islamic mindlock.
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