How to deal with Islam, ONCE AND FOR ALL

umma_allergic · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 700 Location: Canada

Also, since I now understand that both Mazuda and Sina are Iranian, I am entitled to cut them some slack over venting like this. I know that if I were Iranian, looking at what is happening in my country, I would have to keep pinching myself to believe that I'm not dreaming, and the nightmare is real. How can these Islamic goons keep coming to power? The whole thing would make me sick. So yeah, I might vent, fume, rant, joke... whatever get you through the night, as they say.

Taken in that spirit, I find Mazuda's sentiments understandable, and driven by frustration and fury. Frustration and fury are not the best information sources when you are determining a political strategy, though. They aren't sufficient, anyhow. They are more like catalysts to motivate political strategy formation, which then has to be done with a cooler head.

The frustrating thing about change is that it is so slow. But Sina is right. The plain idiocy and immorality of literalist Islam simply cannot withstand the light of reason. MemriTV attains its anti-Islamic goals by the very simple strategy of showing Islamic political and cultural discourse to people, without commentary. The violations of reason and ethics are so blatant, commentary is unnecessary. The more Islam tries to challenge the West, the more rationality it will encounter. Forums like this are part of the process, but the process is being carried out on a wide scale.

We post many political cartoons on this forum, that illustrate the points we are trying to make about Islam. This means that all over the place, cartoonists are noticing the same problems with Islam that we are, and furthermore, publishers are betting that large numbers of their readers will understand and appreciate these observations. The consensus regarding the problems with Islam must be larger than we might think from looking at the Internet and blogosphere alone.

This clash between Islam and the agents of reason is most likely to destroy this archaic cult, again as Sina has often opined. It's slow, but very effective. Fast solutions, like those Mazuda described in anger, typically cause more problems than they solve.

umma_allergic · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 700 Location: Canada

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Nz · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 89 Location: London

umma_allergic · Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 700 Location: Canada

I think nacazo's point is that, if any one person worships Mohammed, even though they are supposed to be worshipping Allah, that makes Mohammed their 'false God'. Thus, Mohammed becomes guilty by association, because he has been worshipped as a God. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding.

Worshippers and their false Gods are supposed to be fuel for the fire. How can a stone burn?

What about Gods made up of absolutely nothing at all, like all the Abrahamic monotheistic Gods, the non-personal divine principles of Eastern religions, the Great Spirit of the North American native people, etc.? If they are made up only of human thoughts, how can they burn?

If Gods are statues made of stone and wood, what can anybody do to punish them? They are just objects, they don't care if they are punished. In fact, if false Gods don't exist, and only Allah exists, why bother to threaten these non-existant false Gods? On the other hand, if Allah punishes them, then clearly he is not the only God. There are others, or he could not punish them.

Blah blah blah... since no empirical test of any of this will ever be possible, it is all empty, useless noise anyhow.
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Sanitarium · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject:

@NZ: I have read every page of this thread, and my only conclusion is that you are a fool.

A Fool who does not understand how to have an open conversation, much less understand the concept of a debate or providing proof.

If you can't understand simple concepts, why are you here? To 'prove us wrong' by shouting insults? You are yet to ( that I have seen) provide any evidence for your claims, except your own demented thought processes.

My apologies if this post is harsh; I have to call it as I see it now.

Thanks very much

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nacazo · Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 426

Nz:

Thanks for your knowledgeable responses. Is it possible for you to provide a translation for surah 21:98 that you consider authoritative?

If you can provide the translator, it would be even better but just posting the authoritative translation on this thread would be appreciated very much.

Anna Doe · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject:

Nz wrote:

Nz · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 89 Location: London