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shoeshiner
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 Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: The sun and the hijab thread |
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Hi everyone,
I need the link to the thread that discussed how the sun creates Vitamin D (?) in the body when the sun rays contact the skin. The thread questioned how hijab prevents women of getting this much needed vitamin and how the lack of such vitamin affects the human body. I can't find it. Thanks. |
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JoeJew
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Here it is.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20917
I never received a decent response despite the large number of Muslims here who keep quoting "articles" talking about how the Koran is proven right by science. 
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shoeshiner
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Excellent, excellen, Thank you! I just searched for it again and was very bummed to not have found it! Thank you!
I must say that this is a very good thread, many good arguments that basically leave the Muslims in the dust. |
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rabidphage
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If the diet is balanced there is no need for exposure to sunlight. However to be on the safer side it's always good to get some exposure. But a more important point to note is the psychological development of the women who wear the hijab. It is an attack on their individuality.
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| If the diet is balanced there is no need for exposure to sunlight. |
Actually I don't think that is true. I will have to look, perhaps someone here can help me out, but if I remember correctly the vD in sunlight is non replaceable.
I have a dietican in the family, I have just emailed her, I will post her response. I myself am very curious.
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JoeJew
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| If the diet is balanced there is no need for exposure to sunlight. |
Not true. The government even has to add Vitamin D to milk because most people today are indoors and dont have enough vitamin D in their diets. Look at your milk, it says fortified with Vitamin D.
Furthermore there are several studies proving that women who wear the hijab have more health related problems because of this.
This calls into the question the claims that Islam is the perfect way of life for mankind. If Islam was mandated by God, and if he wanted women to be fully covered up and kept indoors, then logically he would not have created humans to have to need to get Vitamin D from exposing their skins to the sun.
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| If the diet is balanced there is no need for exposure to sunlight. |
Actually I don't think that is true. I will have to look, perhaps someone here can help me out, but if I remember correctly the vD in sunlight is non replaceable.
I have a dietican in the family, I have just emailed her, I will post her response. I myself am very curious. |
The sun is virtually the only source of Vit D. You can get a tiny bit of it in some food sources (don't remember which), but, you'd have to eat huge quantities to get what's necessary. The sun is the intended source.
The sun is a source of life for all living things. |
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ixolite
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You need UV rays for producing Vitamin D (Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol) and VitD2 (Ergocalciferol) are the most important ones). From our food we get 7-Dehydrocholesterol. The full reaction:
7-Dehydrocholesterol ->UV-rays-> previtamin D3 ->thermoisomerisation-> VitaminD3 (1,25-Dihydroxy-Cholecaliciferol)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-dehydrocholesterol
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got my info from here: nutricional medicine
http://www.thieme.de/detailseiten/313100293x.html
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rabidphage
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Thank you guys for the info. I was talking based on what my biochemistry teacher taught me.. It's not a very proven thing though (I guess) 
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That´s right, you can´t post in German here unless it´s Goethe and the translation simply sucks.
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Anna Doe
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| Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: vitamine D |
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Human beings need in average at least 20 min of sun everyday, for physical and mental health.
Women in burkas are certainly missing vitamin D. Another scientific mistake of allah/mohamed. Well how could he know back in the 7th century! Vitamin D was found in 1922! Don't blame allah, he is not god!
But here AGAIN, it is the kafirs who are coming to rescue the muslims by inventing vitamin D supplements... 
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Common Names: Vitamin D; Calciferol, Cholecalciferol, Ergocalciferol
Clinical Name: 1,25 dihydroxycholecalciferol |
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The term “vitamin D” is a misnomer. That is because vitamin D is in reality a hormone, not a vitamin. The definition of a vitamin is “an essential nutrient that must be obtained from the diet.” This definition fails to apply to “vitamin” D, since it can be synthesized in the human body, specifically in the skin. Known as the “sunshine vitamin,” the D hormone, as it should be renamed, is synthesized as a consequence of the interaction of ultraviolet light with skin cells. When the light rays strike the skin, they provoke the synthesis of vitamin D from cholesterol, the latter being located in large quantities within the skin’s oil glands. Once synthesized, the vitamin is absorbed into the blood or may remain within the skin. As little as one half hour of sunshine per day may fulfill an individual’s vitamin D needs. In contrast, deep dark tans may actually diminish vitamin D production, since excess sun exposure damages the skin cells which produce this nutrient.
Ideally, vitamin D should be included in the diet, even if the individual gets an adequate amount of sunlight. top dietary sources include milk, egg yolks, cheese, sardines, mackerel, herring, salmon, tuna, halibut, and fish liver oils.
Unfortunately, over the last 30 years seemingly as much emphasis had been placed upon the potential toxicity of vitamin D as its benefits. As a result, the medical profession has neglected to emphasize the crucial role played by this substance in human nutrition. Only in the past decade have physicians and researchers begun to give it the credit it deserves. Recent research has revealed that vitamin D is of value in the treatment of psoriasis, eczema, osteoporosis, arthritis, hypertension, kidney disease, prostate disorders, and many food supplements and the type currently added to milk, may be toxic in high dosages, the natural forms are essentially nontoxic. One major reason for this is the fact that it is virtually impossible to achieve toxic dosages of vitamin D from eating food. There is an exception to this rule: cod liver oil. While the vitamin D in it is natural, one can overdose on it. However, the epidemic problem is vitamin D deficiency, not excess. In fact, recent research indicates that there is more reason to be concerned about the synthetic vitamin D added to milk products than the extra amounts individuals might be getting from cod liver oil or other natural vitamin D supplements. Even so, a teaspoonful of cod liver oil per day is a sufficient dosage for most adults.
There is another type of vitamin D of which to be wary: ergocalciferol. This synthetic version has the greatest toxicity of all types of vitamin D. It is produced in chemistry labs via the irradiation of cholesterol. Do not use supplements containing it. Look for cholecalciferol instead. The latter type is essentially the same as the one produced within the skin.
All of the vitamin D synthesized in the body is made from cholesterol. Therefore, diets low in cholesterol may cause and/or contribute to vitamin D deficiency. This brings into question the value of low cholesterol diets. Cholesterol is an essential nutrient without which a variety of normal physiological functions become impaired. In fact, Vitamin D is one of numerous essential compounds produced form testosterone, aldosterone, vitamin K, and cortisone. In the case of a cholesterol restricted diet, deficiencies of all of these life giving substances are bound to occur. Individuals placed on reduced cholesterol diets who are also taking cholesterol lowering medications, such as Questran, Pravachol, or Lovistatin, are at the greatest risk for the development of cholesterol deficiency and, therefore, vitamin D deficiency. Tens of millions of Americans currently adhere to low cholesterol diets, and many of these individuals concurrently take cholesterol lowering medications. All are at a high risk for disease due to cholesterol deficiency, including cancer, diabetes, dementia, osteoporosis, ;lupus, adrenal insufficiency, immune deficiency, prostatitis, and even heart disease itself. One of the greatest ironies in “ modern nutrition” is the fact that recent evidence indicates that a fanatical restriction of dietary cholesterol may actually increase the risk of heart disease, particularly in women. This is thought to be due to a severe reduction in the production of certain cholesterol dependent hormones, especially vitamin D, progesterone, and estrogen. Additionally, vegetarians and macrobiotic adherents frequently develop cholesterol land vitamin D deficiencies, since their diets usually omit or restrict meats, fish, milk products, and eggs, the primary natural sources of these nutrients. There are not vegetable sources of vitamin D.
Vitamin D is the missing link in the prevention of osteoporosis. It also helps prevent arthritis and may be useful in the treatment of this dreaded condition. Its role in these and other bone disease is based upon the fact that vitamin D is the key nutrient for stimulating the absorption and metabolism of calcium. However, there is much more at stake as a consequence of vitamin D’s control over calcium metabolism than maintaining strong bones. After all, it is calcium which stimulates the firing of the nerves. It is calcium which modulates the contraction of muscles, notably the heart muscle. It is calcium which maintains strong teeth. It is calcium which helps keep the blood clotting mechanism on schedule so that blood is neither too thick nor thin. It is calcium which helps control the growth of the cells.
In respect to its role in cellular growth there is mounting evidence that vitamin D helps prevent colon cancer. Researchers at the University of California discovered that people who consume vitamin D in their diets, in this instance by drinking milk, were 30% less likely to develop colon cancer compared to people with similar diets who drank no milk. The researchers emphasized the vitamin D content of milk as the likely reason for this lowered cancer risk.
Vitamin D's role in vision was recently discovered by New York ophthalmologist Arthur A. Knapp. He gave a group of patients the nutrient for several months. The result was that nearsightedness declined in over a third of his patients, and in many patients it was completely corrected. Dr. Knapp’s conclusions were that deficiencies of both vitamin D and calcium potentiated visual decline as well as the formation of cataracts.
Vitamin D deficiency is common in the United States and in certain high risk groups it is virtually guaranteed. These groups include invalids, mentally deranged individuals and/or inmates of mental institutions, nursing home patients, pregnant women, strict vegetarians, individuals with chronic kidney disease and/or dialysis patients, people living amidst heavy smog, and individuals who have been bedridden for prolonged periods. All of these groups have in common reduced vitamin D synthesis from a lack of exposure to sunlight and/ or lowered dietary intake. Other high risk groups include allergic individuals who avoid eggs or milk products (milk products are a prime source of vitamin D) and individuals who rarely consume fatty fish. Additionally, the absorption and metabolism of vitamin D declines dramatically with age. Thus, it is usually advisable that individuals over 50 years of age take a daily dose of supplemental vitamin D, preferably from fish liver oil, this especially being true for those who fail to get adequate sunlight. As little as one half hour of sunlight daily may be sufficient to generate the minimum requirement for vitamin D. The best food sources of Vitamin D include yogurt, cheese, butter, liver, and fatty fish. (Warning – be wary of consuming cod liver oil that has an excessively fishy odor; it may be rancid. If fresh, the smell will not be overpowering. Be sure to refrigerate the oil after opening. to prevent rancidity, add 400 I.U. of vitamin E to the bottle.
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In 1905, the first scientist to determine that if special factors (vitamins) were removed from food disease occurred, was Englishmen, William Fletcher. Doctor Fletcher was researching the causes of the disease Beriberi when he discovered that eating unpolished rice prevented Beriberi and eating polished rice did not. William Fletcher believed that there were special nutrients contained in the husk of the rice.
In 1906, English biochemist Sir Frederick Gowland Hopkins also discovered that certain food factors were important to health. In 1912, Polish scientist Cashmir Funk named the special nutritional parts of food as a "vitamine" after "vita" meaning life and "amine" from compounds found in the thiamine he isolated from rice husks. Vitamine was later shortened to vitamin. Together, Hopkins and Funk formulated the vitamin hypothesis of deficiency disease - that a lack of vitamins could make you sick.
Vitamin A
Elmer V. McCollum and M. Davis discovered vitamin A during 1912–1914. In 1913, Yale researchers, Thomas Osborne and Lafayette Mendel discovered that butter contained a fat-soluble nutrient soon known as vitamin A. Vitamin A was first synthesized in 1947.
B
Elmer V. McCollum discovered sometimes around 1915–1916.
B1
Casimir Funk discovered in 1912.
B2
D. T. Smith, E. G. Hendrick discovered B2 in 1926.
Max Tishler and Robert Williams - Inventors of Synthetic Vitamins
Max Tishler invented methods for synthesizing the essential vitamin B2.
Niacin
American, Conrad Elvehjem discovered in 1937.
Folic acid
Lucy Wills discovered in 1933.
B6
Paul Gyorgy discovered in 1934.
Vitamin C
In 1747, Scottish naval surgeon James Lind discovered that an nutrient (now known to be vitamin C) in citrus foods prevented scurvy. It was rediscovered by Norwegians, A. Hoist and T. Froelich in 1912. Vitamin C was the first vitamin to be artificially synthesized in 1935. A process invented by Dr. Tadeusz Reichstein, of the Swiss Institute of Technology in Zurich.
Vitamin D
In 1922, Edward Mellanby discovered Vitamin D while researching a disease called rickets.
Vitamin E
In 1922, University of California researchers, Herbert Evans and Katherine Bishop discovered vitamin E in green leafy vegetables.
Coenzyme Q10
According to physician, Dr. Erika Schwartz MD in a report called Coenzyme Q10 - The Energizing Antioxidant issued by Kyowa Hakko USA, "Coenzyme Q10 was discovered by Dr. Frederick Crane, a plant physiologist at the University of Wisconsin Enzyme Institute, in 1957. Utilizing specialized fermentation technology developed by Japanese manufacturers, cost-effective production of CoQ10 began in the mid-1960s. To this day, fermentation remains the dominant production method around the globe."
In 1958, Dr. D.E. Wolf under Dr. Karl Folkers PhD (Folkers leading a team of researchers at Merck Laboratories), first described the chemical structure of coenzyme Q10. Dr. Folkers later received, the 1986 Priestly Medal from the American Chemical Society for his research on coenzyme Q10.
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rabidphage
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Anna Doe please quote your sources..
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Anna Doe
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SaffronofMeshed
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There is a thread on this topic on one of the Shia Islam forums, recommending that hijabis make sure they get sufficient sunlight.
The degree of sun needed for vitamin D depends on ones skin color - negroes need much more sun, nordic peoples much less. Obviously, natural selection has been at work.
The full, scientific benefits of sunlight are only just being recognised. Some writers suggest that vitamin deficiency is one of the causes for schizophrenia. This is interesting, because this mental condition is more common in black people of the second generation, who move to Europe. It is extremely rare in those who grow up in Africa itself.
It seems that there are sunlight problems when one racial group moves to another part of the world. For sunlight is also extremely dangerous - it is full of radiation. Australia, very sunny, has a large number of people descended from the Celts, who came out from Ireland and Scotland. Australia has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world. It is a terrible problem, a most tragic disease for those afflicted. The Australian govt is always urging people to cover up, and wear hats, etc.
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| It seems that there are sunlight problems when one racial group moves to another part of the world. For sunlight is also extremely dangerous - it is full of radiation. Australia, very sunny, has a large number of people descended from the Celts, who came out from Ireland and Scotland. Australia has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world. It is a terrible problem, a most tragic disease for those afflicted. The Australian govt is always urging people to cover up, and wear hats, etc. |
It´s due to the hole in the ozone layer, more UV-C comes through.
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