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QuranSearch.Com



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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assalamu Alaikum,

Well apparently Hector, you got smoked again by Brother Keren Abiz.

Maybe you wont run this time, and yell about how your source is right and his is wrong lol, and maybe you will give a good response.

We are still waiting for you to write a nice rebuttal to me, where you can post all your references, so that you can get creamed on the authenticity of your sources.

Please visit my newest rebuttal to Sam Shamoun on this issue located here:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar/umar_mary2_rebuttal.htm

Thanks,
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Hector,

Even other Muslims want to get these idiots banned:

http://www.petitiononline.com/acosam06/petition.html
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

QuranSearch.Com wrote:
Assalamu Alaikum,

Well apparently Hector, you got smoked again by Brother Keren Abiz.

Maybe you wont run this time, and yell about how your source is right and his is wrong lol, and maybe you will give a good response.

We are still waiting for you to write a nice rebuttal to me, where you can post all your references, so that you can get creamed on the authenticity of your sources.

Please visit my newest rebuttal to Sam Shamoun on this issue located here:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar/umar_mary2_rebuttal.htm

Thanks,

Umar,
You think your mindless insults do your arguments any credit? They merely show everyone you have lost.

I doubt any rational person could possibly conclude Keren Abiz's tu quoque fallacy with St Paul proves anything.

Now, where's that article you promised me in which you will debunk the authenticity of Tabari and Ibn Kathir? You said you would put that on your answering-christianity site? Where is it?
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Hector,

According Abdullah Yusuf Ali in his commentary that Quran Surrah 5: 52 & 53 was revealed in A.H. 7 (look at the footnote 3754) which is after Mariyah (ra) arrived in Medina. Which means the Prophet (saw) had already married Maryah (ra) before the ayah was revealed.

Mary the Coptic never married after the death of the Prophet. So Maryah (ra) was his wife or Umm Al Mu’minun (the mother of believers: Qs 33:6) not his slave before the verse was revealed.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ben malik3 wrote:
Hey Hector,

Even other Muslims want to get these idiots banned:

http://www.petitiononline.com/acosam06/petition.html


As soon as I open up the petition what do I see? These comments:

Name Comments
38. muslim 4 life i sign against this petition, osama stay
37. no name im with you osama
36. ahmad DONT STEP DOWN, BAD PETITION SHAME ON YOU
35. ali osama is great your all crazy DONT STEP DOWN
34. Another one of Osama's Fans!!! You guys are pathetic! Osama has done MIRACLES while you have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!
33. ~Osama's FAN~ BROTHER OSAMA IS THE BEST!!! YOU GUYS ARE CRAZY!!!
32. Good Muslim Osama, DONT STEP DOWN!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm it seems that silly Christian Majdi was luring around in that petition.

29.Osama DOES NOT reject the Sunnah! PLEASE VISIT OSAMA'S RESPONSE AT: http://www.answering-christianity.com/beliefs_i_embrace_and_condemn.htm

15. Someone Osamah is an honest man; he has been misquoted for this he wrote in the past. To ask him to step down completely is absurd. Do not expect him after all the work he's done to step down rather we should advice him and educate him properly. As far as comparitive religion is concerned he has done an awesome job and should continue doing it.

Most of those who signed the petition, signed AGAINST IT. In favour of Brother Osama.

Brother Umar, please give this message to Brother Osama. Ask him to ignore that petition and continue on his website like he is. We Muslims support him fully. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.keren Abiz wrote:
To Hector,

According Abdullah Yusuf Ali in his commentary that Quran Surrah 5: 52 & 53 was revealed in A.H. 7 (look at the footnote 3754) which is after Mariyah (ra) arrived in Medina. Which means the Prophet (saw) had already married Maryah (ra) before the ayah was revealed.

Unfortunately Yusuf Ali does not say that.

In fact, his assessment of the date of arrival of Mariyah Qibtillay (which I disagree with) shows that she arrived AFTER the verse was revealed.

This was what Yusuf Ali wrote:

"This was revealed in A.H. 7. AFTER THAT the Prophet did not marry again EXCEPT the handmaiden Mary the Copt, who was sent as a present by the Christian Muqauqas of Egypt. She became the mother of Ibrahim, who died in his infancy.

(Source: The Quran: Text translation and Commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Footnote#3754)


Keren Abiz wrote:
Mary the Coptic never married after the death of the Prophet. So Maryah (ra) was his wife or Umm Al Mu’minun (the mother of believers: Qs 33:6) not his slave before the verse was revealed.

This is evidence of nothing. Not every woman remarries after her husband dies. You and your fellow Muslims taking this line of argument have conveniently forgotten that fact.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For one thing, the idiot hector doesnt realize that I SAID THAT I WILL REFUTE THE AUTHENTICITY OF IBN TABARI AND KATHIR IF HE WRITES A REBUTTAL TO ME!! [/b

Also, lets just see how stupid Hector is, here is Yusuf Ali's tafsir:

This was revealed in A.H. 7. AFTER THAT the Prophet did not marry again EXCEPT the [b]handmaiden Mary the Copt, who was sent as a present by the Christian Muqauqas of Egypt.
She became the mother of Ibrahim, who died in his infancy.

(Source: The Quran: Text translation and Commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Footnote#3754)

Here is Sura 33:52:

It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and God doth watch over all things.

So my friend, dont even go there, and try to say RasoolAllah went against the Qur'an as per Yusuf Ali, since you obviously dont know what your talking about, hence you earned the title ROOKIE.

Your not capable, or qualified to even critique Islam, and if you be a man and write your nice rebuttal to me, so that I can show you how gullible you are for quoting your sources, then everyone will be convinced how bad you are.

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QuranSearch.Com wrote:
For one thing, the idiot hector doesnt realize that I SAID THAT I WILL REFUTE THE AUTHENTICITY OF IBN TABARI AND KATHIR IF HE WRITES A REBUTTAL TO ME!! [/b

Also, lets just see how stupid Hector is, here is Yusuf Ali's tafsir:

This was revealed in A.H. 7. AFTER THAT the Prophet did not marry again EXCEPT the [b]handmaiden Mary the Copt, who was sent as a present by the Christian Muqauqas of Egypt.
She became the mother of Ibrahim, who died in his infancy.

(Source: The Quran: Text translation and Commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Footnote#3754)

Here is Sura 33:52:

It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and God doth watch over all things.


So let's take out the interpolated interpretative text and look at the actual words.

33:52 It is not lawful for thee women after this, nor to change them for wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess. And God doth watch over all things.

Now let's re-write this in modern English for clarity's sake:

33:52 It is not lawful for you to take any women after this, nor to switch them for your wives, even though you are attracted to thier beauty, except any that your right hand should possess. And God does watch over all things.

Now let's look at the pertinent part:

33:52 It is not lawful for you to take any women after this, nor to switch them for your wives, except those whom your right hand should possess.

Try explaining that.


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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good, tell Hector to include that when/IF he writes a refutation to me, so that I can expose you both at once.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QuranSearch.Com wrote:
Good, tell Hector to include that when/IF he writes a refutation to me, so that I can expose you both at once.


Unfortunately, the only thing you have successfully exposed is your utter disorganization and lack of interpretative abilities, which I think is intentional.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL.. Sure I did
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

QuranSearch,
Are you a moron? I have told you I don't write for the main site. Never have and Never will. How many times do I have to tell you that?

You are a rude idiot. Why should I give you the publicity of being on the main site? You are UNWORTHY as you have proven here. What sort of person are you? You are rude and expect people to do what you say. I WILL NOT give you the satisfaction since you didn't even bother to ask nicely. Now crawl back under the answering-christianity rock and curl up with your fellow snakes Osama Abdallah and Bassam Zawadi.

If you can refute me then do it at your own site. I'd love to see you refute Tabari and Ibn Kathir.

PS: Sam Shamoun already kicked your ass with that Yusuf Ali tafsir of 33:52, but you are too stupid to realize that Yusuf Ali actually disproves you.
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Q.com,

Here is a free piece of advice, don't use the underline function on a web address as you did in your original post. The forum will automatically convert web addresses to valid links for the most part but apparently using the underline function on a web address prevents that functionality. As in this example here http://www.faithfreedom.org , see how you can't click on the link.

I'm not clear on what exactly the argument being debated is and I'm pretty sure I've read most of this thread. Is that link that doesn't work in your original post the main argument or a counter argument to a greater argument?
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOOOL, you feel that Shamoun refuted me on Sura 33:52, while I just refuted Shamoun on that in my article, and I refuted you on it above.

Little baby hector, dont cry, remember, you used to post pictures a crying babies for me lol, now if you dont write the rebuttal, everyone will see just what a coward you are, so are you going to be tough enough to do it or what???
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

QuranSearch.Com wrote:
LOOOL, you feel that Shamoun refuted me on Sura 33:52, while I just refuted Shamoun on that in my article, and I refuted you on it above.

I know Sam Shamoun kicked your ass on 33:52. Anyone who can read and understand the English language can see that.

Umar wrote:
Little baby hector, dont cry, remember, you used to post pictures a crying babies for me lol, now if you dont write the rebuttal, everyone will see just what a coward you are, so are you going to be tough enough to do it or what???

You're the one who's crying because I won't do what you want. I really don't care what you think. Everyone can see you're merely trying to parasitize the popularity of this site to publicize your pathetic answering-christianity site.

Now go away to your mummy and cry that some kafir won't give you the time of day.
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