Ali Sina thinks Islam will fall in his life time.

[abdul2006]

Islam will fall in Ali Sina's life time.
That is what Ali Sina believes.

I conclude here "Fall" means, overwhelming majorty (over 2/3 or so) of the Muslims would leave Islam. In other words, over 800 million people would denounce and leave Islam in the next 50 years or so.

In the following post we have reduced the time frame to 25 years from 50 years.

How rational this thinking is?

[Ali Sina]

[Mughal]

Well dear Abdul, the seactarian violence ie the way and at the rate the shias are killing the sunnies and the sunnies are blowing up the shias etc Ali's forecast might aswell prove true.
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[Ali Sina]

Actually Abdul: You gave me an idea for an article or maybe even a small booklet. I have many reasons to believe the end of Islam is very near. What Mughal said is one of them. There are actullay a lot more reasons way more convincing. This could be an exciting subject, one no one has tackled yet.
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[Ilovebetty]

Claiming the koran is the literal word of allah has essentially put islam in a straitjacket. There are now so many holes/weeknesses in the koran it is almost embarrasing. From what i've read (and please excuse my vagueness), Islam's best chance was a reformation that nearly occured around 1000 years ago. And it blew it. It is now stagnating in it's own juices - and has been for sometime. The discovery of oil in the Middle East added life to the old dog but I see this as being fortuitous [for islam] in the short term and nothing more.

Islam is in an irreparable mess now, but that said, I can't see it falling in my generation simply because indoctrination is still going on now. We have seen on this forum (and others) many examples of islam simply torn apart but still muslims witness this and shout "Allah Akbar!" Indoctrination is a perversely powerful thing.
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[Count Dracula]

I think it depend largely on the direction th Iraq and Afghanistan. in 20 years time, the ppl of Iraq and afghanistan will talk Bush for liberating them.you will not see them now.
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[abdul2006]

[John Doe]

Just out of curiosity, what is your age Mr.Sina?

As for the question, I really dont know...it might be unrealistic to expect 1.3 billion people to give up on their faith within 25 years. I hope that you are Right.

[Taqqiya Tactician]

I have to go out now. I will write on this later. But I am with abdul on this one. Islam will not fall within 50 or even 100 years. I have very convincing explanation for my claims.
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[timepass]

i don't think islam will fall in next 25 or 50 years. though i believe that
within next 100 to 150 years islam will be just as ineffective in everyday life as christianity is now in european nation.

i think that islam will fall in next 25 to 50 years only if no. of internet users increases very sharply. we don't have many internet users in third world countrie where a very good percentage of muslims live.

also if the mullah government goes down in iran then i expect many citizens of iran to leave islam very soon.

also if the no. terrorist activities (by those who identify themselves as muslims) increases in different part of the globe(not just one region) then the whole world be against muslims.

[kinetic]

Islam may not fall within 25 years if Islamic countries keep blocking FFI, and the politically correct secular ones also follow suit sometime in the future.

The FFI movement has to go beyond the FFI.org website. It needs to spread its tentacles. How? I'm not sure.

[MsWesterner]

In my humble view, more needs to be done to ridicule and prove the Koran to be "nonsense" and false in very many important areas.

Also, we need to keep the facts of Mohammeds behaviour "at the forefront" as I know much of it really hacks muslims off....not that it happened, but that we know so much of what did actually occur.

[Count Dracula]

It must start with the politician and the media.
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[Ali Sina]

Abdul:

You divide 1.2 billion Muslims by 30 years and say if I am right in my prediction then 40 millions Muslims should leave Islam per year. Well, Abdul, I don’t see it the way you see it. I think the best way to deal with Islam is to undermine it. While you undermine a structure, the superstructure is intact and you don’t see a lot of changes, but the foundation is being perforated and dynamites are placed in strategic places. Then it is the question of pressing a button and the edifice will fall on its own. Remember the fall of Soviet Union? In 1987, no one could imagine what would happen two years later.

There are many great writers who have written excellent books exposing Islam. But there is always something missing and that is Muhammad’s conviction of his own prophetic mission. There is just too much evidence that he really believed in what he preached. I have explained why and where he got his conviction. I think I have written a book that would have shaken the foundation of my faith, had I read it during the years of my faithfulness. This book, in my opinion, demystifies Muhammad and puts him al par with Jim Jones, David Koresh and even Charles Manson. The friends who are reading it say the book has a good flow. I must say that I changed it a lot. Each person who read it and criticized it gave me a new insight and the book became better. In a sense it is unique. Of course Muslims will not read it. However, once the book is out its message will get out fast. Although I have written it for the Muslims, my addressees are the non-Muslims. They will read the book. They will understand the trust of it and they will make the message spread. Once that is done, it is impossible for Muslims not to listen. They will hear it everywhere. Then they will start leaving Islam in big numbers. This exodus will shake the faith of other Muslims and more people will want to know what is happening and they too will leave Islam. Many people will be stunned, but resistance will be futile. Once the ball is set in motion, it will turn into an avalanche in no time.

There are many psychological studies showing that subjects feel more at ease to criticize an authority if they see that others also are doing it. This has never happened in Islam. So the experience is entirely new to Muslims. However, once Muslims see that Islam is being criticized they will too join the choir. Once that happens there will be nothing left of Islam.

That is how I see it Abdul. You see the mountain packed with snow and you think I must be out of my mind when I tell you this snow will be gone in a few hours. You wonder how can anyone plow this much snow. You are right. No one can do it. However, if you fire at the snow in the right place, all that snow will come down in an avalanche. You think of plowing and you are right, not 50, it may take 500 or even 1000 years to dismantle Islam in that way. But if you undermine it, it will fall in a heartbeat. I said give or take 30 years. That was 5 years ago. There is a quarter of century left. This is enough time to undermine Islam.
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[abdul2006]

Most of the folks who explained their reasoning behind their votes are the one who do not think Islam will fall in their life time. I would like to see of the other 9 people's reasoning behind their vote who thinks islam will fall in 25 or 50 years. Any taker?

Please, do not get me wrong. I am for it. I would like to see it happen as soon as possible. But alas, i have to be realistic as well.

As far as Ali Sina is concerned, he is amazing.
He is keeping his faith strong. He is very knowledgeable in quran, hadith and Islamic history. I have supported him with various ways, cash and otherways, that he doesn't even know about. Although, I have made fun of him in the issue of "Free Will", that I still stand behind it but overall he is pretty logical.

FFI is a great source to answer Islamic stupidity.

My copywrited (figuratively speaking) phrases:
1) Muslims are the victim of Islam
2) Islam is a disease that attacks neural network first, physically damages brain circuitry, and eventually kills one's soul.

Death of soul occurs when someone can no longer be fair, just, and can reason symetrically, unbiasedly from all direction. Most muslims can no linger discriminate between right and wrong, truth and lie, just and unjust. That is the death of soul in my disctionary.