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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: 20 Islamic inventors/inventions that changed the world Reply with quote

http://www.digg.com/science/20_Islamic_inventors_inventions_that_changed_the_world

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't see weapons of mass destruction on that list ?

Such a relief!

Maybe the western christians will be responsible for the destruction of human civilization.

1...2...3..lets hear it GOD BLESS AMERICA!


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 20 Islamic inventors/inventions that changed the world Reply with quote

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http://www.digg.com/science/20_Islamic_inventors_inventions_that_changed_the_world

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Don't bother. A people bragging about their glory ancient past is an indication they are mighty unhappy with the present. They can claim they invented/discovered everythings from the age of the universe to computers to relativity, the bottom line is that they are in a pathetic state now. They can even claim they are very wealth but just ripped off by others. It is a very obvious defense mechanism.

The moment they admit they are decades behind, stop bragging( or defending the indefendable) and start working will be a sign of hope for all.

I read that the 56 muslim states together export less non-oil products than finland does; just to give you some idea.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Visitor asks: comments?

dear visitor let me put the right link for that

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article350594.ece

and here are the 1001 inventions of Muslims
http://www.1001inventions.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.viewSection&intSectionID=309

don't worry, indeed there were Muslims(born in) who did contrubute to humanity.. BUT..BUT , that is nothing to do with Mr. Mohammad's ISLAM..

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peaceoff wrote:
I didn't see weapons of mass destruction on that list ?

Such a relief!

Maybe the western christians will be responsible for the destruction of human civilization.

1...2...3..lets hear it GOD BLESS AMERICA!



Be serious, the first weapon of mass destruction or poison gas was invented during WW1 by a german jew very loyal to germany.
Eat your heart out, sadam used gas alright but it was not invented by muslims



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

Some of these are correct. Others are merely improvements on things already made by others. Substituting Indian numbers for Arabic ones hardly counts for an invention at all. That the Earth was round was known well before 9th century, I believe.

The 15th century torpedoes and rockets are pure nonsense; there is, I believe only one reference from the Crusade of the Muslims launching a gunpowder missile of some kind, but it did no damage. Were gunpowder in actual military use by the times of the Crusades, the first device to apply it in would have been a cannon.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just found it very interesting that some of these facts are actualy wrong. So there weren't even 20 of them. All that in what 1400 years? Thanks to a backward ideology.

I thought some here would like to read and comment it
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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17 (the cheque) doesnt point out that the cheque was actually invented in pre-Islamic the Persia Empire - in the 1st century A.D. This invention has nothing to do with "Islam" - it was around long before it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheque

18 is incorrect. The circumference of the Earth was calculated much earlier by the Greek Eratosthenes, around the year 240 B.C.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

20 ignores the legendary hanging gardens of Babylon. Gardens were an Arab tradition long before Islam - so for Islam to claim this as an "invention" of Islam, ignores thousands of the years of pre-Islam Arab culture. It also ignores the Roman tradition of gardens & fountains (for medidation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging_Gardens_of_Babylon

These oversights and flaws seriously make me doubt the rest of the article. I also notice a curious tendency to claim the inventions of pre-Islamic cultures (such as those of the Persian or Babylonian empires) to be "Muslim inventions" - they aren't.

It'd be the same, and just as ridiculous, as claiming the Roman invention of the aqueduct as being a "Christian" invention, just because the Romans are now Christians. This "1001 Inventions" exhibit smacks of Islamist propaganda rather than historical fact.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the article:
There are many inaccuracies therein.

How Islamic inventors changed the world

From coffee to cheques and the three-course meal, the Muslim world has given us many innovations that we take for granted in daily life. As a new exhibition opens, Paul Vallely nominates 20 of the most influential- and identifies the men of genius behind them
Published: 11 March 2006.

1 Coffee: The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to make the first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it had arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made its way to Venice in 1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk named Pasqua Rosee who opened the first coffee house in Lombard Street in the City of London. The Arabic qahwa became the Turkish kahve then the Italian caffé and then English coffee.

2 Vision: The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing the way light came through a hole in window shutters. The smaller the hole, the better the picture, he worked out, and set up the first Camera Obscura (from the Arab word qamara for a dark or private room). He is also credited with being the first man to shift physics from a philosophical activity to an experimental one.

3 Chess: A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was developed into the form we know it today in Persia. From there it spread westward to Europe - where it was introduced by the Moors in Spain in the 10th century - and eastward as far as Japan. The word rook comes from the Persian rukh, which means chariot.

4 Flying: A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide like a bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving him with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70, having perfected a machine of silk and eagles' feathers he tried again, jumping from a mountain. He flew to a significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on landing - concluding, correctly, that it was because he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing. Baghdad international airport and a crater on the Moon are named after him.

5 Bathing: Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as did the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that they did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.

6 Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who transformed alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction, crystallisation, distillation, purification, oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering sulphuric and nitric acid, he invented the alembic still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and alcoholic spirits (although drinking them is haram, or forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation and was the founder of modern chemistry.

7 The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206 Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also invented or refined the use of valves and pistons, devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and weights, and was the father of robotics. Among his 50 other inventions was the combination lock.

8 Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a layer of insulating material in between. It is not clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was imported there from India or China. But it certainly came to the West via the Crusaders. They saw it used by Saracen warriors, who wore straw-filled quilted canvas shirts instead of armour. As well as a form of protection, it proved an effective guard against the chafing of the Crusaders' metal armour and was an effective form of insulation - so much so that it became a cottage industry back home in colder climates such as Britain and Holland.

9 Architecture: The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, thus allowing the building of bigger, higher, more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim genius included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy the Islamic world's - with arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way to more easily defended round ones. Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim.

10 Instruments: Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon. It was he who discovered that catgut used for internal stitches dissolves away naturally (a discovery he made when his monkey ate his lute strings) and that it can be also used to make medicine capsules. In the 13th century, another Muslim medic named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today.

11 The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In the vast deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the only source of power was the wind which blew steadily from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the first windmill was seen in Europe.

12. Inoculation The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724. Children in Turkey were vaccinated with cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West discovered it.

13 The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes. It held ink in a reservoir and, as with modern pens, fed ink to the nib by a combination of gravity and capillary action.

14 The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of whose contents are still in use. The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.

15 Three course meal: Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced crystal glasses (which had been invented after experiments with rock crystal by Abbas ibn Firnas - see No 4).

16 Carpets were regarded as part of Paradise by medieval Muslims, thanks to their advanced weaving techniques, new tinctures from Islamic chemistry and highly developed sense of pattern and arabesque which were the basis of Islam's non-representational art. In contrast, Europe's floors were distinctly earthly, not to say earthy, until Arabian and Persian carpets were introduced. In England, as Erasmus recorded, floors were "covered in rushes, occasionally renewed, but so imperfectly that the bottom layer is left undisturbed, sometimes for 20 years, harbouring expectoration, vomiting, the leakage of dogs and men, ale droppings, scraps of fish, and other abominations not fit to be mentioned". Carpets, unsurprisingly, caught on quickly.

17 The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad.

18 Earth is round: By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.

19 Gunpowder: Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.

20 Gardens: Medieval Europe had kitchen and herb gardens, but it was the Arabs who developed the idea of the garden as a place of beauty and meditation. The first royal pleasure gardens in Europe were opened in 11th-century Muslim Spain. Flowers which originated in Muslim gardens include the carnation and the tulip.

"1001 Inventions: Discover the Muslim Heritage in Our World" is a new exhibition which began a nationwide tour this week. It is currently at the Science Museum in Manchester. For more information, go to www.1001inventions.com.

A Reply:

First: Facts about the earth known through the Great Pyramid:

Nothing new in Islam

The Pyramid also at center of earth



Facts, not fiction, about the pyramid:

- Center of Land Mass: The Great Pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of the earth. The east/west parallel that crosses the most land and the north/south meridian that crosses the most land intersect in two places on the earth, one in the ocean and the other at the Great Pyramid.


- Latitude: The pyramid is located at 29 degrees, 58 minutes, 51.06 seconds north latitude, and 31 degrees, 9 minutes, and 0.0 seconds east longitude.

- Aligned True North: The Great Pyramid is the most accurately aligned structure in existence and faces true north with only 3/60th of a degree of error. The position of the North Pole moves over time and the pyramid was probably exactly aligned at one time.

- Tropical Year or Calendar Year: The length of a base side is 9131 pyramid inches measured at the mean socket level, or 365.24 pyramid cubits, which is the number of days in a year. {9131/25 = 365.24, accurate to 5 digits}

- Mean Distance to Sun: The height of the pyramid times 10**9 represents the mean radius of the earth's orbit around the sun, or Astronomical Unit. { 5813.235565376 pyramid inches x 10**9 = 91,848,816.9 miles}

- Mean Distance to Moon: The length of the Jubilee passage times 7 times 10**7 is the mean distance to the moon. {215.973053 PI * 7 * 10**7 = 1.5118e10 PI = 238,865 miles }

- Sun's Radius: Twice the perimeter of the bottom of the granite coffer times 10**8 is the sun's mean radius. { 270.45378502 PI* 10**8 = 427,316 miles}

- Earth's Polar Radius: The sacred cubit times 10**7 = polar radius of the earth (distance from North Pole to earth's center) {25 PI * 10**7 * (1.001081 in / 1 PI) * (1 ft / 12 in) * (1 mi/ 5280 ft) = 3950 miles }

- Radius of the Earth: The curvature designed into the faces of the pyramid exactly matches the radius of the earth.

- Earth's Volume: The product of the pyramid's volume and density times10**15 equals the ratio of volume to density of the earth. {10,339,823.3 cubic cubits * 0.4078994 * 10**15 = 4.21760772 x 10**21 cubic cubits = 259.93 x 10**9 cubic miles}

- Earth's Mass: Mass of the pyramid = volume * density = 10,339,823.3 cubic cubits * 0.4078994 earth density = 4,217,497. The mass converted to pyramid tons = 4217607.72 * 1.25 = 5,272,010 pyramid tons. Since the mean density of the earth was defined as 1.0, then the mass of the earth is 10**15 times the mass in pyramid tons = 5.272 x 10*21 pyramid tons = 5.99 x 10**24 kg

- Gaussian Constant of Gravitation (k): The reciprocal of the distance between the Coffer and the north or south wall of the King's Chamber, minus one ten-billionth the bottom perimeter of the Coffer. {(1/58.13235 PI) - ((89.6578860+38.67063162 PI)*2 / 10**10) = 0.017202100 radians = 3 degrees, 5 minutes, 46.96 seconds of arc}

Second: Facts known to the Greeks about the spherical earth:

The Earth is Round:

Pythagoras, Aristotle and Hipparchus concluded that the earth is spherical.

Eratosthenes in 240 BC measured the circumference of the earth to a figure very close to what we know of at present He measured the distance between Alexandria and Aswan by pacers and also measured the curvature of the earth between these two points on the surface of the sphere (earth) and came to the figure of the circumference of the earth.

Which Arab scientist produced any such studies and figures?

It is very sad that the alleged science fiction in the Koran has now moved to science fiction in the history of mankind!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warrior Womble wrote:
Interesting.

Some of these are correct. Others are merely improvements on things already made by others. Substituting Indian numbers for Arabic ones hardly counts for an invention at all. That the Earth was round was known well before 9th century, I believe.

The 15th century torpedoes and rockets are pure nonsense; there is, I believe only one reference from the Crusade of the Muslims launching a gunpowder missile of some kind, but it did no damage. Were gunpowder in actual military use by the times of the Crusades, the first device to apply it in would have been a cannon.


The origin of the Arabic numbers are Indian.
Earth spherical: see posting further down.
Gunpowder: Chinese.

A very misleading article.
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peaceoff wrote:


1...2...3..lets hear it GOD BLESS AMERICA! for fusing mecca



man what a relief! finally, the center of terrorism destroyed
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Visitor wrote:
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17 (the cheque) doesnt point out that the cheque was actually invented in pre-Islamic the Persia Empire - in the 1st century A.D. This invention has nothing to do with "Islam" - it was around long before it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheque

18 is incorrect. The circumference of the Earth was calculated much earlier by the Greek Eratosthenes, around the year 240 B.C.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

20 ignores the legendary hanging gardens of Babylon. Gardens were an Arab tradition long before Islam - so for Islam to claim this as an "invention" of Islam, ignores thousands of the years of pre-Islam Arab culture. It also ignores the Roman tradition of gardens & fountains (for medidation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging_Gardens_of_Babylon

These oversights and flaws seriously make me doubt the rest of the article. I also notice a curious tendency to claim the inventions of pre-Islamic cultures (such as those of the Persian or Babylonian empires) to be "Muslim inventions" - they aren't.

It'd be the same, and just as ridiculous, as claiming the Roman invention of the aqueduct as being a "Christian" invention, just because the Romans are now Christians. This "1001 Inventions" exhibit smacks of Islamist propaganda rather than historical fact.


Add to the above:
Baths: What about the Roman Baths?

Were the Arabs the only people who washed themselfs?

Soap: certainly known before.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear peaceoff,

These A-bombs saved a lot of people who would otherwise have died in Japanese concentration camps.

I suggest you read some history and find out what the Japanese army did to China and Korea and other countries they conquered.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Galahad wrote:
Dear peaceoff,

These A-bombs saved a lot of people.......

Kind regards,


Need i say more... ?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They also saved the world from world war III. The two sides in the cold war realised that if true war would strike out, they would have inihilated each other and the world with it.

Now imagine the a-bomb in the hands of a muslim who follows the Koran by the letter... So what if the world ends? He gets his 20 virgins, yay!
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