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kotham
Joined: 21 Sep 2005
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Location: Kafir land
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I dont understand how people can say that being gay is not natural when they occur naturally. There are many evolutionary reasons why a society developed a need to have people who are gay.
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Just because its natutal does not mean its good. Even snakes poison is natural, so does that mean snake bite will not kill us.
Will you extend your argument that pedophile is also natural. Many Pedophiles can't help themself , so should we embrace them and give each of them thier own personal Ayesha.
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plata moya
Joined: 24 May 2005
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Location: Muhammad stoned a she monkey for adultery.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Most every society fears gayness. Little groups like Jews and gays won't melt in and this frightens us and castes doubt in our hearts and mind about who we are, we long for some clarity. With humility you don't need clarity you can accept not knowing and just be watchful. There is no need to indulge in gayness nor is there a need to stay away. These little groups that perturb our little minds are not the problem, it our little minds with their big fears.
Two gay penguins talking about Ali Sina's legs 
Dear Agaricus don't you dare leave and see it for what it is, even you I'm sure at sometime in your life have suffered from homophobia 
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goedels_paradox
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| goedels_paradox wrote: |
I dont understand how people can say that being gay is not natural when they occur naturally. There are many evolutionary reasons why a society developed a need to have people who are gay.
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Just because its natutal does not mean its good. Even snakes poison is natural, so does that mean snake bite will not kill us.
Will you extend your argument that pedophile is also natural. Many Pedophiles can't help themself , so should we embrace them and give each of them thier own personal Ayesha. |
Yes, I agree that just because it is natural it cannot be good. So tell whats not good about being a homosexual? I am not one and I dont see what harm they will do to me. So please kindly show me what is wrong in being a homosexual.
In fact there is no difference between Hitlers eugenics and people like you. For in your prejudice and bigotry you deny the right of every human the right the live this life with all the freedoms and duties that it enjoins.
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Agaricus
Joined: 14 Jul 2005
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Location: Britain
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Ali Sina
I ask a second time for you to acknowledge my request.
I just want to know if you understand how personally sleghting and hurtful your comments were to me as a homosexual, albeit a celibate homosexual?
If it is beneath you to respond with a simple yes or no, then I must demand to be "banned", and leave the forum to those who do not care about such statements being made to the world at large.
I am no big mover and shaker in FFI, but I have been 100% committed to its aims since I joined last year.
I understand you may be busy, and probably you regard me either as someone who is either not worth responding to, or an irritant, which if ignored, will go away.
I have not made such a demand upon you before, but I would wish you to just acknowledge that you hear me.
You said that you were not out to win any popularity contests. Neither am I.
But I cannot accept this trivialisation and demeaning of a whole class of people, based on the behaviour of a few exhibitionists at Gay Pride events you may have witnessed.
Please respond, or have my account terminated, as I have requested.
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Immanuel
Joined: 30 Aug 2004
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Location: Dar-El-Harb
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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You don't really need to be Muslim (or Christian, or Induist, ecc.) to see that homosexuality is an anormality. This is a fact, and it's not mine or anyone else's Church who defined the differences between the sexes: I don't understand all the mess about it.
The fact that homosexuality exists in nature doesn't make it normal: the oddest things exist in nature, there are even animals who eats their child or their mate after a sexual act, does this make it a natural behaviour?
Although I defend the right of everyone to behave (also sexually) like they want, I found the act of having homosexual intercourse deeply immoral and against nature.
I think that Ali wanted to point out that from the point of view of the whole society the display of homosexuality don't offer a positive moral model for the youngest generations, their lifestyle being incompatible with preservation of the species - takes really few to see that a 100% homosexual society would quickly extinguish itself, and all other societies with less than 2.1 children per woman will slowly die as well.
Are you going to be mad at Ali for having his own opinions about morality?
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Ilovebetty
Joined: 11 Jul 2005
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Location: Faster, Higher, Stronger
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| kotham wrote: |
| goedels_paradox wrote: |
I dont understand how people can say that being gay is not natural when they occur naturally. There are many evolutionary reasons why a society developed a need to have people who are gay.
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Just because its natutal does not mean its good. Even snakes poison is natural, so does that mean snake bite will not kill us.
Will you extend your argument that pedophile is also natural. Many Pedophiles can't help themself , so should we embrace them and give each of them thier own personal Ayesha. |
A Pedophile preys on children that are vunerable. And should therefore be locked up!
A gay has a sexual attraction to the same sex. Something they are born with - Just like you are born to feel attraction to the opposite sex.
Can you not see the difference?
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goedels_paradox
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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Agaricus,
Please dont leave. Ali Sina may have his views, but this is an open forum. And the purpose of this forum is spread of truth. If we are against a viewpoint it enjoins us to tell others why they are wrong. This forum will lose its meaning if people leave it accepting defeat.
Dont accept defeat Agaricus. I am with you on this. Together we have another evil to slay - Islam. Our cause will be weakend if we lose you dear Agaricus. Dont leave.
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Richard_The _Lionheart
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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Location: England
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If I see him as in the pictures below I would be heartbroken.
The above pictures are not normal. |
Those people are exhibitionists.
They happen to be Homosexual but they don’t represent Homosexuality in the same way these Heterosexuals don’t represent Heterosexuality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogging
If you saw your Heterosexual son or daughter involved in this would you wish they weren't Heterosexual?
http://www.uk-dogging.co.uk/welcome_to_uk_dogging.htm
If offended by pictures of a sexual (although not explicit) do not click on the latter link. 
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yeezevee
Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Agaricus: Dear Ali Sina
I ask a second time for you to acknowledge my request.
I just want to know if you understand how personally sleghting and hurtful your comments were to me as a homosexual, albeit a celibate homosexual?
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But I cannot accept this trivialisation and demeaning of a whole class of people, based on the behaviour of a few exhibitionists at Gay Pride events you may have witnessed.
Please respond, or have my account terminated, as I have requested... |
If some one is saying something against your Views, Social issues, religious values, etc.. There are two ways to deal with problem dear Agaricus
1). Stay and educate people
2). Go away and hide
It is up to you what you like to do., and that goes to all other friends who think that "they are minoroties and thier Social, political, religious views are getting hit at FFI and its forum
as far as termination of account is concerned .. no one need to do anything .. just stop posting.
I wish you the best whatever you do..
Sincerely
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Sir Galahad
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 1938
Location: Avalon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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True, not misreading.
One of my friend puffs Malbouro.
He has tried evrything from cacaine to grass just once.
If heterosexual people just for experimentation try to be him whats wrong in it.
When people can try unnautral drugs for just one try in life , then why not the natural and normal homosexuality.
Ali sina has no right to comment on
1) how many times we fu ck our partners.
2) Whether we move nude or not.
Why do we seem to forget that our ancestors were nude..
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Dear Kaisys,
Ali Sina has every right to comment on these things. You, I and other posters on the other hand, have every right to vehemently disagree with him.
I do wish he felt differently about these issues, though.
Kind regards,
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yeezevee
Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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Dear friends and M.. people can see these picture in all over the web.. Please delete those, You guys need not post those picture in this important thread
with best regards
yeezevee |
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Ilovebetty
Joined: 11 Jul 2005
Posts: 1869
Location: Faster, Higher, Stronger
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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If you saw your Heterosexual son or daughter involved in this would you wish they weren't Heterosexual?
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Christ! thats my sister!!* 
*Not really. Just trying to lighten things up a bit.
RTL. Good points you make. So obvious, i'm shamed I didn't come up with the same answer.
EDIT: Dogging pic swapped with doggy pic at Yeevezees request. 
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goedels_paradox
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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I second yeezevee, please dont bring up those pictures. Those are available all over the web. If you feel they need to be included a link to them would suffice.
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Richard_The _Lionheart
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| yeezevee wrote: |
Dear friends and M.. people can see these picture in all over the web.. Please delete those, You guys need not post those picture in this important thread
with best regards
yeezevee |
I've taken the pictures off the thread but I have left the links. They should be left as they do make a serious point.
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yeezevee
Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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Thank you guys for taking those pictures, It is just a distraction from REALLY important matter., But still we need to resolve this social-biological issue that will come up again and again.. So let us start thinking . We must realize here Ali Sina word is NOT FINAL.. in fact he himself says that often. So there is nothing wrong for people like Agaricus to write a rebuttal on this thread against Ali Sina article/interview..
with best wishes
yeezevee
oops, I still see the pictures....... |
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