|
Attention: Year 2009 is here
Wishing a very Happy New Year to all members of FFI. Our new and improved site is ready. To visit main site, click at faithfreedom.org and to visit our new forum, click at forum09.faithfreedom.org and register again. Do not worry about your old forum posts and PM, everything is saved here till 31st December, 2008 for future references.
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Abudosama
Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 1126 Location: Planet Earth
|
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:50 pm Post subject: Al-Kitaab(The Universal Truths)and Al-Hadees. |
|
|
Al-Kitaab(The Universal Truths)and Al-Hadees(The Narrations)
HADITH (narrations, sayings, words, speech, opinions, statement, utterance, discourse, account, tale.
1- Al-Kitaab has Mukhkamaat, others (than Al-
| Quote: |
Kitaab) are Mutashabihaat
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:3 V:7) He it is Who has revealed on you Al-Kitaab (the Book): in it are Ayaat (verses) Mukh’kamaat (established wisdom); they are the Umm-Al-Kitaab (mother of the Book): others has Mutashabihaat (similarity) . But those in whose hearts is Zeegh (perversity) follow which has similarity in that, for revolting Al-Fitna (alluring) and its Taaweel (explanation), No one know its Taaweel (explanation) Except Allah, and those who are firmly grounded in Al-Elm (knowledge) say: "We believe in this (Al-Kitaab); the whole of it is from our Rabb(Lord)"; and none will grasp Al-Zik’r (the Advise) except Oo’lul Al-Baab (men of understanding). |
2- whose Hadees (Narration) can be truer than Allah's?
| Quote: |
| (Al-Kitaab- Ch:4 V:87) Allah! there is no il-laha (god) but He: of a surety He will gather you together against the Day of Al-Qiyamah (Establishment) about which there is no doubt. And whose Hadees (Narration) can be truer than Allah's? |
3- Allah has revealed Ahsan Al-Hadees (The best Narrations): in writing
| Quote: |
| (Al-Kitaab- Ch:39 V:23) Allah has revealed Ahsan Al-Hadees (The best Narrations): in writing (in the form of a Book) in it are equally similar ( in its teaching about various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften on the advice of Allah. This (Ahsan Al-Hadees) is the guidance of Allah: He guides with it whom He wishes, and to whom Allah leaves to stray can have none to guide (Haad). |
Note: Only ALLAH reveal Ahsan Al-Hadees.
4- In what Hadees after Allahs (Hadees) will they then believe?
| Quote: |
| (Al-Kitaab- Ch:7 V:85) 85 Do they see nothing in the government of the heavens and the earth and all that Allah hath created? (Do they not see) that it may well be that their term is nigh drawing to an end? In what “ Hadees after this will they then believe ? |
5- People are not ready to receive(accept) any Hadees of advice from Al-Rehman.
| Quote: |
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:26 V:2 to 6)
2 -These are Verses of Al-Kitaab (the Book) that is the comprehensible.
3 -It may be possible that you grief yourself that they do not become peaceful (Believers).
4 -If we had desire that We could send down to them from the sky a Sign to which they would bend their necks in humility.
5 -Since they object therefore they can not receive(accept) any Hadees of advice from Al-Rehman ( the beneficent).
6 -They have indeed rejected (the Hadees): so they will know soon (enough) the truth of what they mocked at! |
Note: If Hadees are from Al-Rehman then how come Hadees is reffered to Al-Insaan.
6- Then what Hadees after that will they believe in?
| Quote: |
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:77 V:45 to 50)
45 Ah woe that Day to the perverters!
46 (O ye Rejecters!) Eat and enjoy yourselves (for) a little while (maximum 100 years), Indeed you are culprits.
47 -Ah woe that Day to the perverters!
48 -And when it is said to them "obey!" They do not obey !
49 -Ah woe that Day to the perverters!
50 - Then what Hadees after that will they believe in? ! |
7- Let them then produce a “Hadees“ if they can do so.
| Quote: |
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:52 V:29 to 34)
29 - So do advice with the blessing of your Lord, you are not storyteller nor insane.
30 - Do they say "A Poet! We wait for you with it desire of doubt.
31 - Say "they should wait, I too will wait along with you!"
32 - Is it that their faculties of understanding urge them to this or are they but a people transgressing beyond bounds?
33 - Or do they say "He fabricated the (Message)"? Nay they have no faith! .
34 - If the are true then they should become with similar Hadees. |
8- People have Left The best Hadees and bargained Useless Hadees (from Iranian people)
| Quote: |
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:31 V ) 6 And among people bargain Lahve –Al-Hadees (useless Hadees) to astray from Allah's path (Al-Kitaab) without knowledge, and to take it (path of Allah) for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement |
Note: All Hadees written or compled by IRANIAN are Lahve –Al-Hadees (useless Hadees)
9- In which Hadees will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Ayah?
| Quote: |
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:45 V to 10)
6 - These are the Ayaats of Allah which We recites on to you with truth: then in which “Hadees“ will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Ayah?
7 - Woe to each sinful Dealer in Falsehoods.
8 - He hears the Ayaats of Allah recited him yet is obstinate and lofty as if he had not heard them: then announce to him a Penalty Grievous! ?
9 - And when he learns something from our Ayaats, he takes them in jest: for such there will be a humiliating Penalty?
10 - In front of them is Hell: and of no profit to them is anything they may have earned nor any Aulia (protectors) they have taken other than Allah: for them is a tremendous Penalty? |
10- Hadees from their Lord, they listen to it as in jest.
| Quote: |
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:21 V:1 to 5)
1 -Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away.
2 - When ever advise comes to them as Hadees from their Lord, they listen to it as in jest.
3 - Their hearts toying as with trifles. The wrongdoers conceal their private counsels (saying) "Is this (one) more than a man like yourselves? Will ye go to witchcraft with your eyes open?"
4 -Say: "My Lord know The Saying in the Universe and the earth: He is the One that hear and know."
5 -Nay" they say "(these are) medleys of dreams! nay he forged it!--nay he is (but) a poet! Let him then bring us Ayaats like the ones that were sent to the people before. " |
11- Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and Seal of the Al-Nabiyoon:
| Quote: |
| (Al-Kitaab- Ch:33 V:40) Muhammad is not the father of any of your men but (he is) the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Al-Nabiyoon: and Allah has full knowledge of all things. |
12- The Duty of the Messenger of Allah.
| Quote: |
| (Al-Kitaab-Ch:98 V:2 to 3) 2. Messenger from Allah, recites purified pages. 3. There in (the purified pages) have established books. |
Note: Muhammad is The Messenger of Allah, so He only recites purified pages.
13- The purpose of people is to tempt Messenger of Allah to substitute HIS (Allah's) revelation a little
| Quote: |
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:17 V:73 to 75)
73 - And their purpose was to tempt you away from that which We have revealed unto you to substitute in Our name something quite different: (in that case) they would certainly have made you (their) friend!
74 - And if We have not given you the strength you would have indeed inclined to leave toward them a little thing (in substitution).
75 - In that case We should have made you taste a double portion (of punishment) in this life and an equal double in death: and moreover you would have found none to help thee against Us! |
Note: IRANIAN tempted themselves (away from that which ALLAH have revealed unto MUHAMMAD), to substitute in MUHAMMAD's name something very very different to misguide people
14- The Allah have given strength to Messenger not to substitute His Revelation but Hadu men did it.
| Quote: |
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:5 V:41)
O Messenger let not those grieve you who efforts with each other in rejection, among those:
who declare them peaceful with their lips but whose hearts have no accepted peace, or
it be among the “Hadu” men These (claimed peaceful ) will listen to any lie, Even listen from those who have never met you.
They change Al-Kalaam (The speech ) after this from their (right) places;
they say "If ye are given like this take it but if not beware:"
(Now because of their this act) If anyone's trial is intended by Allah you has no authority in the least for him against Allah.
For such it is not Allah's will to purify their hearts.
For them there is disgrace in this world and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment. |
Note: The Men written revelation have strayed the humanity.
15- Nothing Lord of The Universe has omitted from Al-Kitaab (the Book).
| Quote: |
| (Al-Kitaab- Ch:6 V:38)Every animal on earth and flying birds that fly on its wings are communities like you. Nothing have We omitted from Al-Kitaab (the Book) and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end. |
16- Which thing is the greatest Evidence between you and me?"
| Quote: |
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:6 V:19)
Say: "Which thing is the greatest Evidence?"
Say: "Allah is Witness between me and you:
And this Al-Qur'an has been inspired to me and that what ever is preached (to you wrong) I may warn you with this,
Can you possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another god ( who reveals Hadees for preaching) ?"
Say: "Nay! I cannot bear witness!"
Say: "But in truth He is the One Allah and I am clear of the partners you make with Him. |
17- Ahal-Alkitaab recognize Al-Kitaab as they recognize their sons !
| Quote: |
| (Al-Kitaab- Ch:6 V:20) Those to whom We have given Al-Kitaab (the Book) recognize it as they recognize their own sons. Those who have lost themselves ( other then Al-Kitaab), they will not believe ( on Ayaats of Allah about Al-Hadees). |
Note: I do recognise Ayaats of ALLAH as I recognise my so out of a parade of 100's students, having smae dress same hair cut, but yet he is distinctive to me.
Abudosama |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
yeezevee
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 17109
|
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
Abudosama: ... Al-Kitaab(The Universal Truths)and Al-Hadees.
Al-Kitaab(The Universal Truths)and Al-Hadees(The Narrations)... |
Greetings Abu.. sure you didn't write all that, where did you copy THESE utterances and tales dear Abu? ..after so much copy paste.. drop a word of reference.. give little credit to the site you copied it from...
regards
yeezevee |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Abudosama
Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 1126 Location: Planet Earth
|
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| Greetings Abu.. sure you didn't write all that, where did you copy THESE utterances and tales dear Abu? ..after so much copy paste.. drop a word of reference.. give little credit to the site you copied it from... |
This was my post destroyed by the moderators, A friend of mine copied my all post in his computers, he mailed me these so I posted it again.
Do you mind it?
Ambudosama |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Karin
Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 40
|
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Hadiths weren't divinely revealed! They were written down and passed along as folklore from the people who knew Mohammed. If they were divinely "revealed" then why is there so much disagreement among Muslims about which ones were authentic or not? Why is there so much disagreement about Aisha's age, for example? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
yeezevee
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 17109
|
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
Abudosama: he mailed me these so I posted it again.
Do you mind it? |
No... offcourse Not dear Abu.., you have every right to post .. please continue..I was only thinking whether you copy/pasted from some where.. may be the reader could go directly to the source website..
with best wishes
yeezevee |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
piggy
Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 6372 Location: Godwana
|
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Abudosama wrote: |
| Quote: |
| Greetings Abu.. sure you didn't write all that, where did you copy THESE utterances and tales dear Abu? ..after so much copy paste.. drop a word of reference.. give little credit to the site you copied it from... |
This was my post destroyed by the moderators, A friend of mine copied my all post in his computers, he mailed me these so I posted it again.
Do you mind it?
Ambudosama |
Correction Abudosama,
Your posts were "destroyed" by the coward Islamists who attacked the FFI forum, also destroying everyone elses posts, both Muslim's and non-Muslim's posts. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
everybee

Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 2417 Location: Tentatively Banned for one month, while the moderators consider.
|
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
7 - Woe to each sinful Dealer in Falsehoods.
|
Amen. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Abudosama
Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 1126 Location: Planet Earth
|
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Dear Karin
| Quote: |
| Hadiths weren't divinely revealed! They were written down and passed along as folklore from the people who knew Mohammed. If they were divinely "revealed" then why is there so much disagreement among Muslims about which ones were authentic or not? Why is there so much disagreement about Aisha's age, for example? |
You are mixing man written folklore & revelations from Allah.
| Quote: |
3- Allah has revealed Ahsan Al-Hadees (The best Narrations): in writing
(Al-Kitaab- Ch:39 V:23) Allah has revealed Ahsan Al-Hadees (The best Narrations): in writing (in the form of a Book) in it are equally similar ( in its teaching about various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften on the advice of Allah. This (Ahsan Al-Hadees) is the guidance of Allah: He guides with it whom He wishes, and to whom Allah leaves to stray can have none to guide (Haad). |
Abudosama |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Ayman al Zawahiri

Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 22 Location: A Cave
|
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I don’t know man….. The Quran seems more like it’s trying to sell a product, i.e. (Allah & Mo) more then anything else.
Whenever I read the passages from the Quran, I feel like some bearded turban head trying to sell me poison. _________________ Islam Means Peace, Inc.
666 Mohammed bin Aloser Dr.
Mustav Harod Upyapupa, AL 69696. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
brave_soul

Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 876
|
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Abudosama
| Quote: |
| You are mixing man written folklore & revelations from Allah. |
Have you any proof for this? Jut one real evidence |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Abudosama
Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 1126 Location: Planet Earth
|
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
beave_soul
| Quote: |
| Have you any proof for this? Jut one real evidence |
What real Evidence you want,
>> This is the only BOOK which is memorised by Heart.
>> Since its Revelation it has not been changed,
>> It have Universal Truths which are being practiced by every human being.
Abudosama |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Iznogoodh

Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 970
|
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Abudosama wrote: |
beave_soul
| Quote: |
| Have you any proof for this? Jut one real evidence |
What real Evidence you want,
>> This is the only BOOK which is memorised by Heart.
>> Since its Revelation it has not been changed,
>> It have Universal Truths which are being practiced by every human being.
Abudosama |
Dear Abudosama,
This is no evidence at all.
There is a person who has memorized all books of a modern fiction writer. The human mind is capable of strange things. Anyway, the Q'ran is not the only book that can be memorized.
Shakespeares poetry also never has changed since it was written and is not likely to be changed ever. So in about 1000 years the works of Shakespeare are as "miraculous" as the Q'ran due to the strange criterium of not-changing.
The so-called "universal truths" are no more that a phrase you write down. The Q'ran contains errors and is therefore not universal true.
Iznogoodh |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Abudosama
Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 1126 Location: Planet Earth
|
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Dear Iznogoodh
| Quote: |
This is no evidence at all.
There is a person who has memorized all books of a modern fiction writer. The human mind is capable of strange things. Anyway, the Q'ran is not the only book that can be memorized. |
>> Please send me the name of atleast 100 person who can verify your statement of memorizing all books of a modern fiction.
| Quote: |
| Shakespeares poetry also never has changed since it was written and is not likely to be changed ever. So in about 1000 years the works of Shakespeare are as "miraculous" as the Q'ran due to the strange criterium of not-changing. |
It is only Religious books, that tends to change, if you consider Shakespeares poetry as a Religious book. an preach it to the people it will get changed.
I do remember my my Matriculation poetry book, we use to explain his ( Shakespeares) poetry in flowerly and fabricated translation in our words, where as I believe that Shakespeares would never have meant that wordings.
Abudosama |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Truthspeaker
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 647
|
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Quran is not the only books the muslims are memorizing these days.
| Quote: |
But not all Muslims are convinced that such policies work. Mustafa, 26, an Islamic school official in Ottawa,has memorized the guide and says it's a handy tool for his students. He didn't want his last name published.
"It's very important given the (political) climate we are living in," he said.
The guide is free and available upon request, but an abbreviated version can also be downloaded from the CAIR-CAN website. It is part of the group's Ottawa Raid Community Kit, a larger education campaign dealing with the fallout from the RCMP raid on the Khawaja family home in Ottawa last month. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
SteelAngel
Joined: 16 Apr 2004 Posts: 215
|
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Truthspeaker wrote: |
Quran is not the only books the muslims are memorizing these days.
| Quote: |
But not all Muslims are convinced that such policies work. Mustafa, 26, an Islamic school official in Ottawa,has memorized the guide and says it's a handy tool for his students. He didn't want his last name published.
"It's very important given the (political) climate we are living in," he said.
The guide is free and available upon request, but an abbreviated version can also be downloaded from the CAIR-CAN website. It is part of the group's Ottawa Raid Community Kit, a larger education campaign dealing with the fallout from the RCMP raid on the Khawaja family home in Ottawa last month. |
|
On another point, the Iiliad was memorized by storytellers for thousands of years, and has been transmitted to us mostly intact. One of my teachers in High School had an classics professor who had memorized the Illiad in the original greek., even though he wasn't a native speaker himself.
Memorization means nothing. Given enough time, anyone can memorize anything. Children, especially are able to soak up things like a sponge. When I was a child I had read a particular set of kid's science books so much that I memorized them down to the last detail, and that wasn't even with 90% of my school curriculum devoted to memorizing that particular set of books! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
|