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BANGSA TIONGHOA
Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 7
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:03 am Post subject: RACIST/BRUTAL POLITICS AGAINST CHINESE IN INDONESIA |
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The article below will explain why racist attacks on Chinese descents never stop for decades in indon. It is because the Indonesian government + Indonesian military are the masterminds who make the anti Chinese policies.
This article below is almost the same with the article in indon language in:
http://p2.forumforfree.com/politik-rasis-indon-vt3-bangsationghoa.html
But, I translate this article in English, shorten it, and relate the racist politics with current condition in indon.
I made this article first time in 2001. I modified this article, relating with current condition, in July 2005. So, this article is up to date until now.
This article below is the most important and the most basic article in understanding racist situation in indon.
Many people can understand racist situation in indon, for some pieces.
But, it is just me, who can completely connect all pieces become one, this article.
If you understand this article below, it is easy for you to understand the situation in indon.
It is easy for you to understand my next articles discussing other racist situations.
Let's start............
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Racist Politics against Chinese in Indonesia
The anti Chinese racist policies are made by Indonesian government and Indonesian military. The Indonesian government/military created anti Chinese prejudices among Indonesian people for political purposes.
In Indonesia, the government is closely connected with the military party because so many military officers become high ranking government officials and have powers in government. Unlike in the USA where the military doesn’t get involved in government, in Indonesia the military actively gets involved in government and decides many political decisions.
The number of Chinese in Indonesia is around 9 million people or less than 5 % of 220 million Indonesians. Chinese people are hard workers, very flexible and can easily get along with other different ethnicities. Under President Suharto’ rule from 1966 to 1998 (32 years), The Indonesian government gave most bank loans to Chinese descents for political purpose.
The political reason why Indonesian government gives most bank loans to minority Chinese is because President Soeharto wants to make Chinese descents as “cash cows”. Besides, if Indonesian government gave bank loans fairly to Chinese and Indonesians, the majority of the middle class would become Islamic Indonesians and some Chinese. Then, Islamic Indonesians could become rich and have the power to topple the government. So, President Soeharto gave most bank loans to Chinese and just a few to Indonesians.
However, what would happen if the middle-class, which includes approximately 50,000 Chinese business people wanted to topple the government? IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE !!!!. The Indonesian government has always made strong anti Chinese prejudices among Indonesians and use these prejudices to provoke anti-Chinese riots if Chinese descents try to topple the government. Besides, the anti-Chinese prejudices are used to separate Chinese from Indonesians; because of this, Chinese can not peacefully live with other Indonesians. As a result, Chinese can not join with Indonesians to topple the Government. The Chinese and Indonesians are not united.
In addition, most Indonesians are Islamic and most Chinese are Christian. To make anti-Chinese prejudices grow among Indonesians, the government/ military treat Chinese as non Indonesian citizens and use every chance to make Chinese look bad in the eye of Indonesians. The Indonesian government doesn’t allow Chinese to become government officials and military members. The government is worried that if Chinese become government officers or military members, they can use their powers and positions to eliminate the racial politics applied by the Indonesian government.
In addition, Chinese are rarely allowed to enter public universities. Universities are places in which many young intellectuals study and discuss many things. If many Chinese enter public universities, they can talk and discuss the very strong racial discriminations against Chinese. If this happened, the racial politics of the Indonesian government will be less successful. If Chinese are prohibited from entering public universities, Indonesian students cannot get involved and discuss many topics with Chinese students. Thus, the Indonesians do not know much about Chinese, and because of this, the racist politics can work.
The government makes continuous racist opinions/comments via all newspapers and all television channels controlled by the government + via millions of government officials. The government deliberately discriminates against Chinese to show Indonesians that the government considers Chinese descents to be non Indonesian citizens. As a result, Indonesians think that if the government itself racially discriminates against Chinese via many regulations and opinions in public, it is OK for Indonesian people to mistreat Chinese. Psychologically, Indonesians have been taught by the government itself that “ it is okay to mistreat Chinese descents “
Islamic groups know that it is the government policy to give most bank loans to Chinese. It is not the fault of the Chinese. Indonesian government only gives a small amount of bank loans to those Islamic groups. The Islamic groups did not dare to challenge the government because the Indonesian army will suppress them. So, Islamic people aim their angers, hatreds and envious to weak Chinese descents. This is what the Indonesian government wants. The government wants Indonesians hate Chinese so much but the government will control the hatred and the situation so there will not be anti-Chinese riots everyday. The government just allows the hatred and racist prejudices among Indonesians to Chinese to grow in daily basis, then when the government or military has a serious problem, such as corruptions, scandals and bad economic situations which make government/military look bad in the view of people, the government/military will provoke anti-Chinese riots everywhere to divert people’s attention from the government’s problems to anti Chinese riots. It has happened so many times for decades. Many Indonesians know this kind of racist politics, but because they cannot get bank loans from government and have less business knowledge to compete with Chinese in business, they use the racial riots by mobilizing their people to burn and destroy Chinese businesses to win the business competitions.
Anti Chinese riots in May 1998 and many other anti Chinese riots are the examples of anti Chinese policies by Indonesian government/military. There have been many investigations by International, local news agencies and by human rights groups that Indonesian military was involved in the anti Chinese riots in May 1998. The Indonesian government/military made Chinese descents as scapegoats of bad economic problem. Indonesian government/military divert the anger of people from Indonesian government to Chinese descents.
Indonesian government/military make Chinese descents as “cash cows”. Indonesian government/military make Chinese descents build economy of Indonesia. Indonesian government/military regularly blackmail Chinese descents a lot of money for “protection fees” from majority Indonesian people. If Chinese descents refuse to pay the blackmails, Indonesian government/military will easily provoke Indonesian people to racially attack Chinese descents. If government/military had problems with people, government/military will make Chinese descents as scapegoats to divert the attention of people from government/military’s mistakes to anti Chinese riots.
The current situation now is: After President Suharto was toppled by people in 1998, there have been many new presidents until today. Those new presidents gave enormous bank loans to Indonesians. However, Indonesians have failed to use the bank loans to build businesses. Many government banks bankrupt because Indonesians fail to return the loans. It is because Indonesians have not been well trained in real business environments. It is just Chinese descents who have good business skills. For decades, Chinese descents have not been allowed to work outside business environment. Chinese have not been allowed to become government officials, military members and so on. The Indonesian government/military do this kind of racist discrimination to separate Chinese descents from Indonesian people. As a result, Chinese descents are very specialized in business environment.
Nowadays, the situation is like under the rule of President Suharto before 1998. The current president is ex-military general: President Susilo Bambang Yudoyono. He is supported by Indonesian military. Under his rule, Indonesian government still racially discriminate Chinese descents. Indonesian government/military is making Chinese descents as “cash cows” again. They support Chinese descents in doing businesses, to build economy of Indonesia. But, Indonesian government/military still don’t recognize Chinese descents as part of Indonesia. Indonesian government/military don’t even try to eliminate racial prejudices against Chinese among Indonesian people. Racial prejudices against Chinese are still very strong among Indonesians. Indonesian government/military still apply 60 racial policies against Chinese descents. As s result, anti Chinese riots will happen again, anytime and anywhere. It is just about a matter of time. _________________ CAN YOU HANDLE THE TRUTH ?
NO ????
DO SEPPUKU, PLEASE............................
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Maitriya
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Chinese are discriminated against in Malaysia also. RThey would change their attitude if thiere was a mass exodus...the economies would collapse.
However there have been some changes in Indoneisa, at tleast now the chinese can practice thier festivals and their indigenous relgion/philosophy...Confuciansim is officially recognised, why Dao/Tao isnt dont know.
This doesnt mean things are hunk dory ofcourse. _________________ Unity in diversity |
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wachamalit
Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 3319 Location: Atheist corner.
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Countless complaints are heard in Malaysia where the Chinese are denied entry to the public universities despite acheiving among the highest academic scores in the country every year. Instead the seats are given to the low-acheiving Malays. In fact the percentage of Malays are as ridiculously high as near 85% as opposed to the agreed 55%. And the goverment passed it off by saying stuff such as 'meritocracy' and 'Malays got smarter than Chinese'.
Apparently it is not okay for Chinese to outnumber the Malay in education according to the Malaysia goverment because the socio-economic balance of the country would be ruined by the existence of economic identity of races as a result of unequal education.
More emphasis are given to Malays because their living standards were lower. But in the other hand, it is VERY OKAY for Malays to grab all the education opportunities for themselves and leave only the 'leftover' for the Chinese, even the very poor and needy ones, as if THAT won't hurt the so-called socio-economic balance in the first place!
Note carefully that I stated MALAY not BUMIPUTRA. The other bumi students such as the Ibanese, Dusun, Kadazanese and other indigeneous groups in Sabah and Sarawak are far far far far far fewer in number compared to Malays. Even far worse are the Bumiputra proper of Malaysia, the Orang Asli's fate.
Anyway I am sorry to hear of mistreatment of Chinese in Indonesia, Bangsa Tionghua.
P/S: I am a Malay, not a Chinese.
PP/S: Accept the fact. Malays hate you. Period. They make friends with you only for their own benefit such as your money. Once they get your money, AND your vote, they'll step on your head and call you 'immigrant to their motherland'. _________________ Out of ideas for a new, witty signature. May add one later, but maybe not since I am too lazy. |
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Phedippedes
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 8092 Location: Not on FFI anymore
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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It's true. Malays and 'Malay' Indonesians (> Muslim Indonesians) hate the Chinese. They are jealous of their success despite fierce discrimination. They bar them from policitics, the army etc. They aren't sometimes called 'the Jews of Asia' for nothing. I guess when Muslims cannot find I real Jew they invent one to hate and detest.
You'd be amazed at the filthy crap 'pious' Muslims say to my relatives. You'd be amazed by how to try to pick fights with the Chinese, how the Chinese get blamed for everything: from the bad economy to the unrest in several provinces (unrest that is usually the work of Jahadis and / or the army). It's sickening. Truly sickening.
I hope mainland China strikes hard, very hard, extremely hard when we have another 1965. |
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Richard_The _Lionheart

Joined: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 6166 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope mainland China strikes hard, very hard, extremely hard when we have another 1965. |
I don’t know a great deal about Indonesia and Malaysia, what happened in 1965? _________________ What the world needs is not dogma but an attitude of scientific inquiry combined with a belief that the torture of millions is not desirable, whether inflicted by Stalin or by a Deity imagined in the likeness of the believer. - Bertrand Russell. |
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Mersk

Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 5764
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Richard_The _Lionheart wrote: |
| Phedippedes wrote: |
| I hope mainland China strikes hard, very hard, extremely hard when we have another 1965. |
I don’t know a great deal about Indonesia and Malaysia, what happened in 1965? |
Which is, I think, why Chinese are so keen to establish diplomatic influences over Islamist Indonesians, something the West now cannot have over a predominantly Muslim country.
http://www.twf.org/News/Y1999/0915-Indonesia.html
http://www.serve.com/inside/edit57/poulg.htm
http://www.workers.org/indonesia/chap1.html
The Chinese Indonesians were mostly targets of atrocities committed by Malay Indonesians.
Quote " Communists, red sympathizers and their families are being massacred by the thousands. Backlands army units are reported to have executed thousands of Communists after interrogation in remote jails. Armed with wide-bladed knives called "parangs," Moslem bands crept at night into the homes of Communists, killing entire families and burying the bodies in shallow graves. The murder campaign became so brazen in parts of rural East Java, that Moslem bands placed the heads of victims on poles and paraded them through villages. The killings have been on such a scale that the disposal of the corpses has created a serious sanitation problem in East Java and Northern Sumatra where the humid air bears the reek of decaying flesh. Travelers from these areas tell of small rivers and streams that have been literally clogged with bodies. River transportation has at places been seriously impeded. " unQuote
Then there also the race riot of 1969 in Malaysia started by nationalist Malays using Islam as shields to bring Chinese Malaysians into submission.
Dr Mahathir came into prominent after this Islam inspired riot, the man who'd implement dhimmi-like Bumiputra policies on non-Muslims when he came into power.
It's still a unfinished business, and I suspect for years to come, according to Mr Badawi, his son-in-law KJ and UNMO.
Everywhere there Islam Muslims will always seek to provoke to give cause for defensive jihad to subjucate non-Muslims.
S. Thailand is going down the same road, it's almost too predictable. They're afterall following in the footsteps of DickMo. |
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Maitriya
Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 509 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Accept the fact. Malays hate you. Period. They make friends with you only for their own benefit such as your money. Once they get your money, AND your vote, they'll step on your head and call you 'immigrant to their motherland'. |
Yup what have they got themselves...nothing they piggy back on everyone else including culture. Bumiputra, orang asli...its entirely sanskrit, they dislike Hindus, but they use much of its cultural legacy, just that they are ignorant of it. They like to have a thriving economy, but only aslong as its the Chinese who are doing all the work and not reaping what they are entitiled to. They claim Bumiputras need reservations because of economic disadvantage, but exclude Indians largely descendants of iliterate rubber plantation workers. Its a double standard through and through. _________________ Unity in diversity |
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BANGSA TIONGHOA
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Wachamalit said:
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Anyway I am sorry to hear of mistreatment of Chinese in Indonesia, Bangsa Tionghua.
P/S: I am a Malay, not a Chinese.
PP/S: Accept the fact. Malays hate you. Period. They make friends with you only for their own benefit such as your money. Once they get your money, AND your vote, they'll step on your head and call you 'immigrant to their motherland'. |
Yes
Indons never consider Chinese descents in indon as part of Indonesia.
I realize that Indons racially hate Chinese.
But, It is not just racial hatred between Indons and Chinese
The racial hatred have been masterminded by Indonesian government/Indonesian military.
No one dares to challenge Indonesian military.
That's why hundreds of anti Chinese riots for decades until now, can happen freely.
The only way Chinese can survive is to leave Indon and start a new life in new country.
The problem is: it is just minority of Chinese who have enough money to move to other countries
The majority of Chinese will have no choice. They stay in Indon, and experience racial persecution again. _________________ CAN YOU HANDLE THE TRUTH ?
NO ????
DO SEPPUKU, PLEASE............................ |
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wachamalit
Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 3319 Location: Atheist corner.
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| BANGSA TIONGHOA wrote: |
Wachamalit said:
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Anyway I am sorry to hear of mistreatment of Chinese in Indonesia, Bangsa Tionghua.
P/S: I am a Malay, not a Chinese.
PP/S: Accept the fact. Malays hate you. Period. They make friends with you only for their own benefit such as your money. Once they get your money, AND your vote, they'll step on your head and call you 'immigrant to their motherland'. |
Yes
Indons never consider Chinese descents in indon as part of Indonesia.
I realize that Indons racially hate Chinese.
But, It is not just racial hatred between Indons and Chinese
The racial hatred have been masterminded by Indonesian government/Indonesian military.
No one dares to challenge Indonesian military.
That's why hundreds of anti Chinese riots for decades until now, can happen freely.
The only way Chinese can survive is to leave Indon and start a new life in new country.
The problem is: it is just minority of Chinese who have enough money to move to other countries
The majority of Chinese will have no choice. They stay in Indon, and experience racial persecution again. |
The military in Malaysia also comprised mainly of Malays. I think the real reason behind it is not caused by Chinese being unpatriotic, but it is because it is an effective way to subjugate the Chinese, should they revolt again. After all, it was effective during the Communist attacks, where the British purposely set up a defence force comprised of Malays against the Communists who are majority Chinese.
Do you know what my family members say about the Chinese?
My uncle said:
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These chinese are greedy bastards. They don't want to share their fortune with us and forbid us to work with them.
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Don't make close friends with the Chinese. They are doublecrossers and love to stab at your back. Just say hi-hi bye-bye to them.
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If not for the bumiputra standards, our people whould be trashed by the Chinese. Don't give them a chance!Support UMNO!
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Apparently only me and my late father made close friends with the Chinese. We both are the free-thinking types I suppose. I used to think that this racist sentiments are the after-effects of the racial identity by economic function Malaysia and also in your place in the past generation. But then again, they feel almost the same thing too even to Indians. The racism among my people goes even beyond Islam. It's their culture.
I guess things does not go as bad as in indonesia here because the Chinese have been staying here for more than 500 years since the Malacca Sultanate times. There's also the 1969 riots so the goverment had to take extra caution. But nonetheless the Chinese were forced to sit in expensive private universities and overseas, barred from applying for goverment scholarships but offered expensive loans instead, pay higher for buying properties and BARRED from buying some of them, and much more. But these harsh treatments made the Chinese even tougher and competent. But guess what?The Bumiputra dhimmitude was even more reinforced thanks to dickhead Mahathir!And the "'positive feedback response" repeats itself on and on...
I have heard of Chinese in here and at your place immigrating to Singapore or Australia to avoid persecution by the goverment. Chinese students who went overseas to study never came back.
I advise you to stay patient. Gather your people and voice out your protests. Even if Indonesia ignores it, the whole world will not. _________________ Out of ideas for a new, witty signature. May add one later, but maybe not since I am too lazy. |
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wachamalit
Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 3319 Location: Atheist corner.
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:16 am Post subject: |
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It's true. Malays and 'Malay' Indonesians (> Muslim Indonesians) hate the Chinese. They are jealous of their success despite fierce discrimination. They bar them from policitics, the army etc. They aren't sometimes called 'the Jews of Asia' for nothing. I guess when Muslims cannot find I real Jew they invent one to hate and detest.
You'd be amazed at the filthy crap 'pious' Muslims say to my relatives. You'd be amazed by how to try to pick fights with the Chinese, how the Chinese get blamed for everything: from the bad economy to the unrest in several provinces (unrest that is usually the work of Jahadis and / or the army). It's sickening. Truly sickening.
I hope mainland China strikes hard, very hard, extremely hard when we have another 1965. |
Phedippedes, are you Chinese? _________________ Out of ideas for a new, witty signature. May add one later, but maybe not since I am too lazy. |
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crusader81
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I believe it won't take long before mainland china will retaliate against islamic indonesia because of their han-chinese brothers being so horribly discriminated against over there...
same thing will happen with russia and central asian countries (uzbekistan, kasachstan, turkmenistan, etc.) |
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Phedippedes
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| Phedippedes, are you Chinese? |
No. I'm Dutch. |
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BANGSA TIONGHOA
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It's true. Malays and 'Malay' Indonesians (> Muslim Indonesians) hate the Chinese. They are jealous of their success despite fierce discrimination. They bar them from policitics, the army etc. They aren't sometimes called 'the Jews of Asia' for nothing. I guess when Muslims cannot find I real Jew they invent one to hate and detest.
You'd be amazed at the filthy crap 'pious' Muslims say to my relatives. You'd be amazed by how to try to pick fights with the Chinese, how the Chinese get blamed for everything: from the bad economy to the unrest in several provinces (unrest that is usually the work of Jahadis and / or the army). It's sickening. Truly sickening.
I hope mainland China strikes hard, very hard, extremely hard when we have another 1965. |
When I was in indon long time ago. I worked in a company. I have good relations with most of my subordinates. Most of them are indons.
One day, one of my subordinate (to whom I have a good relation), said that ACTUALLY people know that it is the fault of Indon government that there are many problems in society, But, because indon people are afraid of the government/military, indons blame Chinese to unleash their resentment to government.
That boy is 19 years old. He is smart enough.
So, if a 19 years old boy can understand about this kind of problem, many indons understand this problem too.
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In indon, Chinese descent is just about 3% of 230 millions total indon populaton, around 10 million Chinese.
We are not allowed to enter politics.
We are not allowed to enter army and polices
We cannot get along with indons because indon government prohibit us from working outside business environmentj.
Our position is very weak + minority.
And, the government racially discriminate us with 60 anti Chinese policies, nowadays.
The government have made a strong rumor that Chinese descents control 70% of indon's economy.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/54b/085.html
As a result, eventhough indons know that the real problem is the government/military, but because they have no guts to challenge the military, blaming everything to Chinese is the easiest way to unleash their angers.
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I don't think the source of racial hatred to Chinese is just come from Muslims.
It is true that majority people who racially hate Chinese are Moslems. But, those people who mastermind racial hatred are Indon government/military under the rule of Ex-President Suharto (1966 - 1998).
Those masterminds are not Muslim fanatics. They are nationalist fanatics. Under the rule of President Suharto, Muslim extrimist were destroyed. Just lately, Muslim extrimist have power in government and military.
The real case is: Suharto and the next presidents/government work together with Muslim extrimist to destroy Chinese.
The indon government/military use muslim extrimist to destroy Chinese.
But, indon government/military will destroy muslim extrimist if those muslims dare to ask the implementation of Islamic laws or something like that.
Muslim extrimist hate Chinese because they are envious + majority Chinese are Christians + to unleash their own problems to other party.
So............
The fact is the people who racially hate Chinese is indon people. It has no relation with their kind of religions. It is the culture of racial hatred, not the religion.
Muslims are part of the racial hatred to Chinese because they are indons too.
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You said:
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| You'd be amazed at the filthy crap 'pious' Muslims say to my relatives. You'd be amazed by how to try to pick fights with the Chinese, how the Chinese get blamed for everything: from the bad economy to the unrest in several provinces (unrest that is usually the work of Jahadis and / or the army). It's sickening. Truly sickening. |
Yes
It is easy to blame Chinese descents in indon for everything.
Chinese are weak and minority + without guns
In indon, indon people always try to pick a fight with Chinese.
But outside indon, indons always try to be nice to Chinese from indon.
It is because indons are afraid that Chinese will get a revenge on them outside indon.
Outside indon, indons are as weak + minority as Chinese descents.
Based on my experiences living outside indon for years,
I never find a single indon who dare to face Chinese in fight. Indons always avoid problem with Chinese outside indon. They are racist and evil, but they are not stupid.
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| I hope mainland China strikes hard, very hard, extremely hard when we have another 1965 |
Many Chinese think like that.
It is a good dream, but it won't happen.
1) China has no capabilities to attack indon. The distance is too far.
China has no motherships to bring all kinds of war planes.
2) China has its own problems with "human rights", like Xinjiang, Tibet, religion persecution and so on.
China is under pressure from western countries for those problems.
China needs " friends" to face the pressure.
Indonesia is a "good friend" to face the pressure from western countries because Indonesia has a lot of problem with human rights too.
It is strange, huh ?
But, not in politics.
What I mean with "China" here is not the people of Chinese in mainland, but the China government.
China government consider pressure from western countries is more important than the fate of Chinese descent in indon.
That's why in anti Chinese riots 1998 in indon, eventhough Chinese in mainland were angry to indon, China government almost say nothing.
It is because China government "needs" indon to face westeners.
As the compensation for this, indon government allowed products from China freely enter indon.
That's why after May 1998, there were so many Chinese products in indon market.
It is sad, isn't it?
But, it is politics !!
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I enjoy talking about politics and religions
But, because I have a very limited time, some times I cannot reply immediately.
But, I will reply one day, one by one.
I am sorry for that. _________________ CAN YOU HANDLE THE TRUTH ?
NO ????
DO SEPPUKU, PLEASE............................ |
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mehdi_t
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: RACIST/BRUTAL POLITICS AGAINST CHINESE IN INDONESIA |
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| BANGSA TIONGHOA wrote: |
The article below will explain why racist attacks on Chinese descents never stop for decades in indon. It is because the Indonesian government + Indonesian military are the masterminds who make the anti Chinese policies.
This article below is almost the same with the article in indon language in:
http://indonesia.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4099&start=90
But, I translate this article in English, shorten it, and relate the racist politics with current condition in indon.
I made this article first time in 2001. I modified this article, relating with current condition, in July 2005. So, this article is up to date until now.
This article below is the most important and the most basic article in understanding racist situation in indon.
Many people can understand racist situation in indon, for some pieces.
But, it is just me, who can completely connect all pieces become one, this article.
If you understand this article below, it is easy for you to understand the situation in indon.
It is easy for you to understand my next articles discussing other racist situations.
Let's start............
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Racist Politics against Chinese in Indonesia
The anti Chinese racist policies are made by Indonesian government and Indonesian military. The Indonesian government/military created anti Chinese prejudices among Indonesian people for political purposes.
In Indonesia, the government is closely connected with the military party because so many military officers become high ranking government officials and have powers in government. Unlike in the USA where the military doesn’t get involved in government, in Indonesia the military actively gets involved in government and decides many political decisions.
The number of Chinese in Indonesia is around 9 million people or less than 5 % of 220 million Indonesians. Chinese people are hard workers, very flexible and can easily get along with other different ethnicities. Under President Suharto’ rule from 1966 to 1998 (32 years), The Indonesian government gave most bank loans to Chinese descents for political purpose.
The political reason why Indonesian government gives most bank loans to minority Chinese is because President Soeharto wants to make Chinese descents as “cash cows”. Besides, if Indonesian government gave bank loans fairly to Chinese and Indonesians, the majority of the middle class would become Islamic Indonesians and some Chinese. Then, Islamic Indonesians could become rich and have the power to topple the government. So, President Soeharto gave most bank loans to Chinese and just a few to Indonesians.
However, what would happen if the middle-class, which includes approximately 50,000 Chinese business people wanted to topple the government? IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE !!!!. The Indonesian government has always made strong anti Chinese prejudices among Indonesians and use these prejudices to provoke anti-Chinese riots if Chinese descents try to topple the government. Besides, the anti-Chinese prejudices are used to separate Chinese from Indonesians; because of this, Chinese can not peacefully live with other Indonesians. As a result, Chinese can not join with Indonesians to topple the Government. The Chinese and Indonesians are not united.
In addition, most Indonesians are Islamic and most Chinese are Christian. To make anti-Chinese prejudices grow among Indonesians, the government/ military treat Chinese as non Indonesian citizens and use every chance to make Chinese look bad in the eye of Indonesians. The Indonesian government doesn’t allow Chinese to become government officials and military members. The government is worried that if Chinese become government officers or military members, they can use their powers and positions to eliminate the racial politics applied by the Indonesian government.
In addition, Chinese are rarely allowed to enter public universities. Universities are places in which many young intellectuals study and discuss many things. If many Chinese enter public universities, they can talk and discuss the very strong racial discriminations against Chinese. If this happened, the racial politics of the Indonesian government will be less successful. If Chinese are prohibited from entering public universities, Indonesian students cannot get involved and discuss many topics with Chinese students. Thus, the Indonesians do not know much about Chinese, and because of this, the racist politics can work.
The government makes continuous racist opinions/comments via all newspapers and all television channels controlled by the government + via millions of government officials. The government deliberately discriminates against Chinese to show Indonesians that the government considers Chinese descents to be non Indonesian citizens. As a result, Indonesians think that if the government itself racially discriminates against Chinese via many regulations and opinions in public, it is OK for Indonesian people to mistreat Chinese. Psychologically, Indonesians have been taught by the government itself that “ it is okay to mistreat Chinese descents “
Islamic groups know that it is the government policy to give most bank loans to Chinese. It is not the fault of the Chinese. Indonesian government only gives a small amount of bank loans to those Islamic groups. The Islamic groups did not dare to challenge the government because the Indonesian army will suppress them. So, Islamic people aim their angers, hatreds and envious to weak Chinese descents. This is what the Indonesian government wants. The government wants Indonesians hate Chinese so much but the government will control the hatred and the situation so there will not be anti-Chinese riots everyday. The government just allows the hatred and racist prejudices among Indonesians to Chinese to grow in daily basis, then when the government or military has a serious problem, such as corruptions, scandals and bad economic situations which make government/military look bad in the view of people, the government/military will provoke anti-Chinese riots everywhere to divert people’s attention from the government’s problems to anti Chinese riots. It has happened so many times for decades. Many Indonesians know this kind of racist politics, but because they cannot get bank loans from government and have less business knowledge to compete with Chinese in business, they use the racial riots by mobilizing their people to burn and destroy Chinese businesses to win the business competitions.
Anti Chinese riots in May 1998 and many other anti Chinese riots are the examples of anti Chinese policies by Indonesian government/military. There have been many investigations by International, local news agencies and by human rights groups that Indonesian military was involved in the anti Chinese riots in May 1998. The Indonesian government/military made Chinese descents as scapegoats of bad economic problem. Indonesian government/military divert the anger of people from Indonesian government to Chinese descents.
Indonesian government/military make Chinese descents as “cash cows”. Indonesian government/military make Chinese descents build economy of Indonesia. Indonesian government/military regularly blackmail Chinese descents a lot of money for “protection fees” from majority Indonesian people. If Chinese descents refuse to pay the blackmails, Indonesian government/military will easily provoke Indonesian people to racially attack Chinese descents. If government/military had problems with people, government/military will make Chinese descents as scapegoats to divert the attention of people from government/military’s mistakes to anti Chinese riots.
The current situation now is: After President Suharto was toppled by people in 1998, there have been many new presidents until today. Those new presidents gave enormous bank loans to Indonesians. However, Indonesians have failed to use the bank loans to build businesses. Many government banks bankrupt because Indonesians fail to return the loans. It is because Indonesians have not been well trained in real business environments. It is just Chinese descents who have good business skills. For decades, Chinese descents have not been allowed to work outside business environment. Chinese have not been allowed to become government officials, military members and so on. The Indonesian government/military do this kind of racist discrimination to separate Chinese descents from Indonesian people. As a result, Chinese descents are very specialized in business environment.
Nowadays, the situation is like under the rule of President Suharto before 1998. The current president is ex-military general: President Susilo Bambang Yudoyono. He is supported by Indonesian military. Under his rule, Indonesian government still racially discriminate Chinese descents. Indonesian government/military is making Chinese descents as “cash cows” again. They support Chinese descents in doing businesses, to build economy of Indonesia. But, Indonesian government/military still don’t recognize Chinese descents as part of Indonesia. Indonesian government/military don’t even try to eliminate racial prejudices against Chinese among Indonesian people. Racial prejudices against Chinese are still very strong among Indonesians. Indonesian government/military still apply 60 racial policies against Chinese descents. As s result, anti Chinese riots will happen again, anytime and anywhere. It is just about a matter of time. |
70% of the indonesian economy is among the chinese hands. They are not interested in politics. 100% of the trcycle drivers, the so called becak are indonesian. It's normal if some indonesians are jealeous against the chineses. |
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: RACIST/BRUTAL POLITICS AGAINST CHINESE IN INDONESIA |
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| mehdi_t wrote: |
70% of the indonesian economy is among the chinese hands. |
Even if this is true: the Chinese have done so despite lack of policital powers, despite the racism, apartheid, violence, rapes, killing and theft by Islamic and nationalist brownshirts.
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| They are not interested in politics. 100% of the trcycle drivers, the so called becak are indonesian. It's normal if some indonesians are jealeous against the chineses. |
Ah, so their racism and apartheid should be respected because it is out of envy?
You are a racist. Your words are proof that Islam breeds hatred and racism: after you kill all the 'real' Jews, the Chinese will be the 'new' Jews, after that the Hindus, the Christians, the Atheists etc. |
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