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gupsfu
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| You sound schizophrenic to me. Are you trying to tell me that the Muslims who beheaded those Americans are "examples for humanity" and "the best of humans god has said"? |
That is why I said shame on you. Those Muslims weren't acting as examples. That is why I said shame!!!!!!!!!!!! |
No, you said it yourself, "Muslims are examples for humanity", which means whatever a Muslim does should be served as an example for humanity.
Either you didn't say it right or you're indeed a schizophrenic. There's no shame on me.
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Hope
Joined: 09 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:14 am Post subject: sorry |
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Please forgive me for my last rwsponse. I spoke without thinking.
Let me rephrase my statement. Muslims SHOULD be examples to humanity. Hitler claimed that he was doing his duty in the the name of jesus. But that doesn't make his claim right does it?
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gupsfu
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:37 am Post subject: Re: sorry |
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| Please forgive me for my last rwsponse. I spoke without thinking. |
And again, that's OK. Don't worry about it.
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| Let me rephrase my statement. Muslims SHOULD be examples to humanity. Hitler claimed that he was doing his duty in the the name of jesus. But that doesn't make his claim right does it? |
I don't beleive Hitler ever said that, but I'm not sure. Anyway, the difference between Christian teachings and Islamic teachings is that, as least as of today, Christians don't preach world domination, but Muslims do. Violence and intolerence and jihad are all fundamental concepts of Islamic teachings in accordance with the Quran.
You probably don't believe so because from what I've observed in your writing, I believe you're a "moderate" Muslim. Islamic teachings that moderate Muslims recieve are usually sanitized to look peaceful. However, if you put more time and efforts into studying the Quran, you'll know Islam is far from being peaceful.
I invite you to read more articles posted on the FFI website, and come back to discuss with us what you disagree with them.
My best wishes.
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Ali Sina
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| The Jews believe that they are the chosen people. That is why they want Palestine! Reply to that |
If still there are Jews who believe in that nonsense, they are very much mistaken. However, Zionism has nothing to do with them feeling being chosen people. Jews have been living in Palestine for 4000 years and that is their homeland. They are entitled to their homeland.
The Palestinians are welcome to live there too. But the problem is that they do not want the Jews alive. This is the problme dear Hope. The problem is hatred not land.
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Hope
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:12 am Post subject: |
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I sent gupsfu a personal message already. As for Ali Sina. I sent him an e-mail totally counter-attacking his response to my past e-mail. I don't know about you but I think that Sina has finnaly been stumped 
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Ali Sina
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Hope sent me this PM
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You are a good human being, but you are not a good Muslim. Your thoughts and your lifestyle are not Islamic.
that is what u said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how dare you say that someone is not a good muslim. are you muslim? Do you know what a good muslim is? if you do then tell me. You seem to have a lot of time. Tell me what a good muslim is. And I will promptly answer. Why haven't you answered my other mail yet???? |
Yes I know what a good Muslim is. A good Muslim is one who follows the Quran and the Sunnah and fulfills what Muhammad said.
Osama Bin Laden, Khomeini and other terrorists are good Muslims. They follow the Quran and the Sunnah.
Read this message to someone who said she is a good person. I told her if that is true then she can’t be a good Muslim.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/elus.htm
Please read all of it not just the first sentence.
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| I don't know about you but I think that Sina has finnaly been stumped |
Post your email here and stupm me publicly.
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Hope
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:39 am Post subject: HI |
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Osama Bin Laden, Khomeini and other terrorists are good Muslims. They follow the Quran and the Sunnah.
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Osmama killed three thousand people. In the quran and sunnah it says that Allah dislike the starters of wars.
So osmama doesn't follow the quran and sunnah.
So your claim is almost totally false.
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Hope
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Why didn't you reply to the second part of the message. Why you replyed to the message I sent you replying what to what you write replying to me.
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Imran
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:22 am Post subject: Re: HI |
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Osama Bin Laden, Khomeini and other terrorists are good Muslims. They follow the Quran and the Sunnah.
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Osmama killed three thousand people. In the quran and sunnah it says that Allah dislike the starters of wars.
So osmama doesn't follow the quran and sunnah.
So your claim is almost totally false. |
You said Osma and co are not good Muslims. Okay then, can you give five examples why they are not good Muslims?
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Righteous
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| I sent gupsfu a personal message already. As for Ali Sina. I sent him an e-mail totally counter-attacking his response to my past e-mail. I don't know about you but I think that Sina has finnaly been stumped |
Hope,
I also sent Allah a personal message. So far, he also hasn't responded... so I claim victory and say that Allah has finally been stumped as well. :-D |
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Hope
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:26 am Post subject: |
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You want 5 examples? I'll give you five examples!!!!!!!!! I'll make it 6 just to make it itneresting.
1 He killed 3,000 people
2. He claims to have claimed juhad. In ilam only the caliph of the ummah can claim jihad
3. he supported the talban who abused women
4. He has threatened to wage war agaisnt america. Allah doesn't like the starters of wars.
5. He is a member if the wahabi faith. The wahabi faith has many elements that are entirely contradictory to the sunnah and quran.
6. he kills innocent people in the name of Allah.
And to the person who said that he sent a message to allah.
if you expected allah to answer directly you are foolish. Allah will answer you on the day of judgement hopefully.
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Hope
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I'll S--T-U-M-P you publicly first here is what you wrote to me:
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hello Mr. Sina,
I have a question to ask you. What right do you have to criticize Islam. And I also ask you three questions,
Dear Mr. Faisal H.
Any human being has the right to criticize any thing that he wishes. This is the indelible right of free people. You do criticize all the ideologies and religions liberally and quite vocally. However as a Muslim you think no one is allowed to criticize Islam. I am afraid freedom of expression is not a one way street. We all have freedom to criticize any idea that we wish and no one should stop us.
What I say about Islam is either true or it is not. If it is true then why in the hell you want to stop me from telling the truth? If it is false then you should be able to prove me wrong. I have a forum that is open to everyone. Dispute my claims and show I am mistaken. If you can do that I have promised to remove this site. This is more than fair. Do any Islamic site have an offer like this? No! In fact they won’t allow you to disagree with them. Actually they won’t even allow anyone posting a link to sites that disagrees with them. In other words Muslims are lions where there is no other contender. But where there is no contender even a mouse can pretend to be a lion.
1. Do the Taliban represent all Muslims and Islam?
Yes the Taliban represent the true Islam. They follow the Quran and Sunnah meticulously and they are more Muslims than all other Muslims.
2. Name one place in the quran which states that it is ok to kill innocent people.
8:12, 8:15-16, 8 0, 85, 9:5, 9:3, 9:14, 9:29, 9:73, 9:123, 47:4,
In all the above verses the instruction is to wage war against the unbelievers, and kill them. All it takes to be eligible for Muslim’s wrath and be killed by them is disbelief in the sick religion of Islam. If this was the teaching of another religion telling its followers to kill the Muslims if they disbelieve you would have made hell of this earth. You can't even take a simple criticism, how you would have behaved if someone said kill the Muslims or subdue them and force them to pay a penalty tax?
3. What religion do you follow?
I follow the religion of love and the Golden Rule and I am the Prophet of my own religion. I invite others to do the same. Don’t be a follower but a prophet unto your own.
This is a fourth question but it is important.
4. Why do you not have a similar website on christianity?
Because Christianity is not a threat to the World peace! Because the terrorists who kill people every day and have no mercy even on children are Muslims and not Christians. Because we never hear Christians murdering other human beings and shouting Jesus is great. Because the prophet of the Christians never said kill others in my name. In fact he said turn the other cheek, something for which Muslims mock him. Christianity has no teaching for killing people. The Quran has hundreds of verses that instruct people to wage war and kill. In fact Muhammad says war is good for us.
“Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you”? (Q.2:216).
“Unless ye go forth, He (Allah) will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place”? (Q.9:39).
Kind regards
Ali Sina
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Hope
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:34 am Post subject: |
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here is how I stumped SINa:
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Assalam wa alaikum,
Here is my reply to your response. ( Please bear with me, it is kind of long) ( I dare you to post this on your website) ( don't change things and post it on your website)
First you say that, "However as a Muslim you think no one is allowed to criticize Islam." Forgive me if I made it sound that way. You can criticize Islam but it is my duty to react to it. But even though your thought that we think that non-Muslims cannot criticize Islam is wrong, In some countries it is ILLEGAL to criticize the state religion. No, I am not talking about Iran (although the Ayatullah and his friggin weird friends probably made that law), I am talking about England. Have you ever heard about blasphemy? It is illegal to speak against the church in England. Now you can go and make a site about about how the English are messed up ( which they are not).
Next you say , " Dispute my claims and show I am mistaken. If you can do that I have promised to remove this site. This is more than fair. Do any Islamic site have an offer like this? No." Although I have not visited every Islamic site on the internet (I guarantee you haven't either), the goal of Islamic sites is not to criticize other religions as your site does. The goal of Islamic sites is to strengthen the iman among Muslims.
Next you say,"Yes the Taliban represent the true Islam. They follow the Quran and Sunnah meticulously and they are more Muslims than all other Muslims.,"
I have a simple answer. The Prophet Muhammad ( may peace and blessings be showered upon him) says that men and women are equals. The Taliban treat women like dirt because their rulers have sick minds. If the Taliban follow true Islam shouldn't they follow the teachings of the prophet Muhammad. They don't thus they are not true believers. If you want a list of points on why the Taliban are not Muslim I will make one.
Then you list a series of quotes from the Quran. I will do my best to explain each.
The first one : PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
This was revealed before the Battle of Badr. The Muslims were badly outnumbered ( 3 to 1) so Allah decided to send help. He sent his angels to help defeated the Meccan non- believers.
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SHAKIR: O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them.
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SHAKIR: And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day-- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company-- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be.
This was during war. Allah says not to retreat in fear during a war if not for peace or a strategic retreat. This says not to show cowardice.
Next: YUSUFALI: Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
before I explain this let us go to the ayah after this:
YUSUFALI: But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
Here Allah says that try your best to defeat your enemy. At the time when the ayah was revealed the enemy were the non-believers. He says to strike terror into their hearts during the battle. In the ayah after Allah says that if the enemy wants peace then give them peace. That is on of the beautiful things about the quran.
next: YUSUFALI: O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
This ayah can be explained easily. Allah tells the believers not to fear the numbers of the enemy. Allah says that he will give them the power to kill two hundred of the enemy if they are only twenty. This is encouragement. He does not say to kill 1000 non-believers because you want to but during war.
I will explain the later ayahs at later times. I have reacted to your claims with amazing ease. It was too easy. I believe that Allah (sbw) gave me the power to answer those questions. I not a scholar!
Now lets move on.
on my third question you say that you follow the religion of live. But why do you spread hate? Shouldn't you spread love?
You say that Christians do not threaten world peace. Hitler proclaimed that he fights his cause because this duty was sent to him by god. One of his many reasons for killing so many jews was that they killed christ. Have you ever heard of Timothy Mcbeigh (I am not sure how to spell it)? He was a christian. have you ever heard of the IRA? They are Christians. Those are just some examples. But I know that those christians who did these despicable acts do not represent Christianity. I am intelligent to know that the majority of Christians do not wish harm for the world. You should know that the VAST majority of Muslims are not terrorists. There are 1.2 billion of us and growing. There are what max 30,000 terrorists. Go yell at them but please leave us alone.
May Allah show you the noor of Islam, |
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Hope
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Sina didn't have the guts to put my reply on his Muslim Comments page!
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Hector
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| I am talking about England. Have you ever heard about blasphemy? It is illegal to speak against the church in England. Now you can go and make a site about about how the English are messed up ( which they are not). |
As I know a thing or two about England, I have to say that blasphemy laws, albeit still on the books, are not taken too seriously these days. One only has to read the daily papers to see all sorts of blasphemous remarks. Nobody cares about that much.
I refer you to this link to learn more about the blasphemy law in the UK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_United_Kingdom
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| As of 1911, the law against blasphemy had practically ceased to be put in active operation. |
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