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Pak Lang
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Greetings,
There's no such person by the name of Muhammad written in al Qur'an. What we have is a person/messenger having an attribute of HMD (praise). Muhammad as a common name is an invention by the Arabs to elevate their status among other believers.
In Al Qur'an there's only muhammadun (Q3:144, Q33:40, Q48:29) and any word with prefix mu+...+un cannot signify common name.
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Mersk
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Pak Lang wrote: |
Greetings,
There's no such person by the name of Muhammad written in al Qur'an. What we have is a person/messenger having an attribute of HMD (praise). Muhammad as a common name is an invention by the Arabs to elevate their status among other believers.
In Al Qur'an there's only muhammadun (Q3:144, Q33:40, Q48:29) and any word with prefix mu+...+un cannot signify common name.
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This must be the new Quran SE Asia Malay - Muslims are learning of now. The Prophet never existed or like some Muslims (Razaf) on this forum have already clarified Muhammad was not Perfect. He had flaws that Muslims themselves have followed through the sunnah. |
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Brave Steed
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| truth_seeker_2000 wrote: |
| By the way, the red highlights at www.faithfreedom.org, in my humble opinion, are not visually pleasant at all. Grey is much better. |
Red is Horrible. Wait I will go get my Sunglasses. |
The red may have bothered you guys, but not me. I think the pale grey that is there now is almost invisible. Let's have some sort of compromise, please. Okay? How about Chinese eggplant blue? 
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The Cat
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| Pak Lang wrote: |
Greetings,
There's no such person by the name of Muhammad written in al Qur'an. What we have is a person/messenger having an attribute of HMD (praise). Muhammad as a common name is an invention by the Arabs to elevate their status among other believers.
In Al Qur'an there's only muhammadun (Q3:144, Q33:40, Q48:29) and any word with prefix mu+...+un cannot signify common name.
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You're right. The Praised One is... Jesus-Christ !!!
Koranic Muhammad is Jesus, by Apple Pie.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27737
Was Muhammad a name or an appellation?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40089
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Ali Baba
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| Pak Lang wrote: |
Greetings,
There's no such person by the name of Muhammad written in al Qur'an. What we have is a person/messenger having an attribute of HMD (praise). Muhammad as a common name is an invention by the Arabs to elevate their status among other believers.
In Al Qur'an there's only muhammadun (Q3:144, Q33:40, Q48:29) and any word with prefix mu+...+un cannot signify common name.
Thanks |
This is a good sign...First we had the Muslims...then we had Koran only muslims...and now we have Muslims who deny Mohammed...
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BlackStaR
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| Ali Baba wrote: |
| Pak Lang wrote: |
Greetings,
There's no such person by the name of Muhammad written in al Qur'an. What we have is a person/messenger having an attribute of HMD (praise). Muhammad as a common name is an invention by the Arabs to elevate their status among other believers.
In Al Qur'an there's only muhammadun (Q3:144, Q33:40, Q48:29) and any word with prefix mu+...+un cannot signify common name.
Thanks |
This is a good sign...First we had the Muslims...then we had Koran only muslims...and now we have Muslims who deny Mohammed... |
Ali Baba... everytime you post something.. I laugh so Hard, my collegues are wondering if i had gone mad!!
You are a true funnyman.. good on ya bro!
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chingachgook
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Mr. Ali Sina, thought you may want to have a second look at this:
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Muhammad: A Looter
Stealing and Looting in Islam is not prohibited, unless it is done against the non-Muslims. Then it is lawful.
After Muhammad married Khadijah, a wealthy woman of Mecca, he stopped working. Actually he had never worked until the age of twenty five when he made one trip to Damascus as a trustee of Khadijah selling her goods and buying what she had ordered. This was the extent of the work that Muhammad did in his entire life. ....... |
Don't you think it shopuld read:
" Stealing and looting is okay in Islam as long as the victims are non-believers..... "
You'll get the same effect by removing the "not" inmmediately before "prohibited"
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The Cat
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| Ali Baba wrote: |
| Pak Lang wrote: |
Greetings,
There's no such person by the name of Muhammad written in al Qur'an. What we have is a person/messenger having an attribute of HMD (praise). Muhammad as a common name is an invention by the Arabs to elevate their status among other believers.
In Al Qur'an there's only muhammadun (Q3:144, Q33:40, Q48:29) and any word with prefix mu+...+un cannot signify common name.
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This is a good sign...First we had the Muslims...then we had Koran only muslims...and now we have Muslims who deny Mohammed... |
Next, we"ll have Allah denying Islam... 
Edited: Muhammad is written not three but -four- times in the whole Koran (a curiosity by itself). They are ayats 3.144 (89th); 33.40 (90th); 47.2 (95th) and 48.29 (111th). The 'Praised One' is also mentioned in 61.6 (109th) as the announced Paracletos.
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Ali Baba
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cat wrote: |
| Edited: Muhammad is written not three but -four- times in the whole Koran (a curiosity by itself). They are ayats 3.144 (89th); 33.40 (90th); 47.2 (95th) and 48.29 (111th). The 'Praised One' is also mentioned in 61.6 (109th) as the announced Paracletos. |
I dont know about Arabic koran but in the translations i checked:
Yusuf Ali: Muhammad appears 4 times
Shakir: Muhammad appears 5 times
Pickthall: Muhammad appears 277 times
Mohsin khan: Muhammad appears 797 times
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Ali Baba wrote: |
| The Cat wrote: |
| Edited: Muhammad is written not three but -four- times in the whole Koran (a curiosity by itself). They are ayats 3.144 (89th); 33.40 (90th); 47.2 (95th) and 48.29 (111th). The 'Praised One' is also mentioned in 61.6 (109th) as the announced Paracletos. |
I dont know about Arabic koran but in the translations i checked:
Yusuf Ali: Muhammad appears 4 times
Shakir: Muhammad appears 5 times
Pickthall: Muhammad appears 277 times
Mohsin khan: Muhammad appears 797 times |
I do NOT count when the name is mentioned in (added) brakets. They are numerous... yet 'man-made' edited for obvious purpose. You are showing that the more recent the translation, the more numerous the name appears !
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Riz
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| I was wondering if it was possible that the "Challenge" link, since that and the debates listing are the most important ones on the website IMO, was put front-and-center on the main page [maybe right below the read THIS first?]. |
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Yasnov
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Don't you guys think that it would be better for Ali Sina to put his challenge too in a thread?
Wassalam,
Yasnov
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Danish
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Unless someone can persuade a prominent "Islamogenic" figure to a debate, I would recommend Reza Aslan. He seems to be an intelligent and articulate individual often seen on news media such as CNN. He has written several books, one of which is his famous "No god but GOD". Here is his website: http://www.rezaaslan.com/ and his contact info: http://www.rezaaslan.com/contact.html . I am certain that no faithhead (rather dickheads) has the intellect to capture and have its opponent succumbed on religious attributions, let alone any Muslim.
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Brave Steed
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| no faithhead (rather dickheads) has the intellect |
Danish, these broad slams against people of faith is not welcome here. Please refrain from such insulting terminology on this website. If you must use it, use it on an athiest website, which this anti-Islam site is not (despite the founder being an athiest, he is not against any faith other than Islam).
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Danish
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Brave Steed wrote: |
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| no faithhead (rather dickheads) has the intellect |
Danish, these broad slams against people of faith is not welcome here. Please refrain from such insulting terminology on this website. If you must use it, use it on an athiest website, which this anti-Islam site is not (despite the founder being an athiest, he is not against any faith other than Islam).
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Brave Steed, this website was not created solely for your purpose alone and you are not an admin to speak ill as such. Let them do their job. I am well aware of the real purpose of this site and oh the insulting terminologies used, but don't forget that Muslims are also "people of faith" just like all other faithheads (dickheads) packaged together from same lineage. Besides, there are other sections of this fourm that has nothing to do with Islam alone.
I understand that the word "dickhead" is a contemptous term and it simply means an inept, foolish or irrational person. Nevertheless, understand the intent of my post rather than nitpicking broken lines.
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