I'm Debating With a Bunch Of Dhimmis About Islam..

[Praetyre]

Mods, I wasn't precisely sure where to put this, but Action Centre seemed to fit the best. Feel free to move this.

I'm arguing (my username is Patrick Vykkers) with a bunch of dhimmis about Islam. Do you folks have any advice to give me on this, based on the history I have shown you and the most recent threads? I'm NOT looking for a board invasion here, nor specific links, but general debating advice.
http://www.oddworldforums.net/showthread.php?p=296626&highlight=islam#post296626
http://www.oddworldforums.net/showthread.php?t=15713&highlight=islam
http://www.oddworldforums.net/showthread.php?t=15948&highlight=islam
http://www.oddworldforums.net/showthread.php?t=16041

[tomc]

Keep in mind what you're asking these people to do.

Obviously the only possible opposition against islam involves violence. You're asking these people to fight. They don't want to.

[La Ilaha]

LOLZ you have got first class dhimmis over there.

You just ask them Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do those who decry them?

Terrorist are doing nothing that their prophet did not do and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape, assassination, beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the hearts of the believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and were observed by Muslims throughout their history.

You can use this articles

http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/massmurderer.htm

http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/torturer.htm

http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/looter.htm



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[Praetyre]

I've tried that. Not to be unscholarly, but their only response to posting sites that source from Islamic sources (or even Islamic sites themselves) is to scream "F*CK YOU STUPID BIASED WEBSITE MY PENIS IS BIG!" and then this continues until some user goes "Well, I don't know, maybe Islam is a religion of peace OR calm down *golden mean fallacy andrelated nonsense*" or "Well, Pat is right to an extent but he blah blah blah" and eventually the convo dies for another week. I've tried using logic, reason, appealing to both left wing and right wingers, and even using my opponents one words to skewer them.

It's like talking to a brick wall over there. They wouldn't believe Islam is violent if Muhammed himself flew a jumbo jet into their house then raped and killed their entire family. They are essentially BBC drones.

[La Ilaha]

[La Ilaha]

[Wodan82]

[Praetyre]

[Wodan82]

[ross]

[La Ilaha]

[Praetyre]

Sadly, it's now immaterial. I've opused;
http://www.oddworldforums.net/showthread.php?p=324477

What particularily ironic is that Nate (a man who I voted in as Global Moderator) calls me lilywhite while at the same time insulting me behind my back when I can't even respond and breaks the very rules he is supposed to enforce.

Not to drag this topic into a personal fight, but maybe he deserves this;
http://www.guymacon.com/FUN/INSULT/INDEX.HTM

[AndyOZ]

[Praetyre]

Thank you. I've partially reversed my opus, but I still will not be in the Off Topic forum again.

FYI, only one of them was actually Muslim, and he contributed a tiny fraction of the debates. Most of them were gay/bisexual college age urban dwellers from tropical regions.

[Ansar al-Zindiqi]

Hello and welcome to FFI.

I've been in similar forums before sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. I have been met with hostility by apologists in the past and they are a scream to behold. Too bad that forum doesn't seem to have a lot of Islamically aware posters. But then again it is a forum for role playing games and whatnot. Oftentimes, much of the denial is due to shock more than anything else.

*If any of them are just college students then they have all kinds of disinformation that they mistake as fact. Once you show them the primary source materials then they start to slow down and get quiet. You'll probably have a zealot holding out in desperation and sometimes these types might do it for a long time.

*If they are leftists then expect the shrillness of their tones to be set at high volume. These vegetables roast nicely if they have a holier-than-thou attitude at the beginning of a discussion. Once, I even had one admit that she didn't care about victims of Islamic violence. It really helped in exposing the pathological side of apologists.

*If it's a Muslim then you can expect them to say something weird which will serve to back up your arguments. Muslim are handy that way.

Above all, I think showing yourself to have a thick hide to the initial onslaught is what will pave the way to making your points come across. Be forewarned that the basic tactic of leftish types (esp. Communists) is to make you the topic of discussion instead of what you had intended. Sticking to the subject and understanding how presenting any argument against Islam is bound by concision.

NOTE: Even though I dread showing the link it serves as a heuristic. The point being that presenting an argument in digestible chunks can go a lot longer than a seemingly endless thread.
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