I Accept Ali Sina's Challenge

[A Muslim]

Related links:
www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/pedophile.htm
www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm.

Alhamdulilaah, this is the Holy Month of Ramadan when Allah blesses the Faithful.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I do not believe Ali Sina will ever bring this site down, simply because over the years he has not done so even when he has been proven wrong. Nevertheless, for argument’s sake, I will take the challenge to debate him.


1. I am only interested in Ali Sina’s debate. I will not entertain others because it is he who has thrown the challenge and no one else.

2. Ali has put up a number of allegations. www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm. Since he has put up a number of issues and given the debater the prerogative to choose the topic, I will debate the topic I choose and reject any other topics that Ali may try to introduce along the way.

3. The topic I choose is this: www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/pedophile.htm

Here is my refutation:

“Pedophile” is a term and a concept only known in today’s language. Pedophilia is a western concept created and constructed to arrest a western problem. This western problem arises because it allows free sex between consensual couples. This then gives rise to the topic, what is consensual? Does a teen aged 16 have the ability to reason? To address that, it is then decided that even if a girl consents to sex, but if she is below 16, that is considered statutory rape. From here, the concept of "pedophile" arises.

As can be seen, the concept of pedophile is created from a situation that allows free sex in the first place. If the west had not allowed free sex - as in many traditional societies, any sex outside marriage would be considered wrong - and there would be no need to create the concept of pedophilia in the first place.

However, in many societies even today, marriage is arranged and many brides marry young. Some are even betrothed at birth.

What Ali Sina has done is to use a constructed term “pedophile” which is to arrest a western problem, then juxtapose that concept to a legal marriage, (Aisha’s marriage to Muhammad, may peach be upon the holy prophet), and call that rape.

The acid test is this. Muhammad (phuh) was accused of many things. He was accused of being mad, misled by the devil and so on. However, he was never accused of rape or being a child molester even by his arch enemies.

Does not the above show the child marriages are considered legal and appropriate for that era and society then?

Sina has in fact erroneously accused Muhammad (pbuh) of raping and molesting a young girl. May Allah (swt) punish him severely for that.

I await Sina’s reply.


I need to edit this post because I forgot to put the related links right at the topic.
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[ixolite]

[Basileos]

[AndyOZ]

Religions are formed on the idea of absolute values as set out in a holy book. Yet when followers of religions perceive a threat to their credibity, they pull the relativity card to defend themselves. If you think it was alright then, you should think it is alright now. This whole, "it was normal then" thing doesn't wash. Here's a question for you people who defend Mohammed - why did standards change? Why did it become wrong to have sex with a 9 year old? Surely people must have realised something was wrong. If you think it's wrong for you then it was wrong for Mohammed and you can't trust his words.

[A Muslim]

Hello everyone and may Allah bless the Faithful,

I said that I would not entertain other posters than Ali Sina. However, knowing that Ali Sina will give the usual excuse he is very busy, which means he will try to avoid this debate, as he has done with many others before, I might as well entertain other posters.

Ixolite posted

[ixolite]

[A Muslim]

Hello everyone and may Allah bless the Faithful,


Ixolite posted

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[Yohan]

[Brave Steed]

A muslim, thanks for posting here.

You do not need to interact with Ali Sina here to prove he was wrong, just like we don't need to interact directly with Mahamood to prove he was all the despicable things he was.

You wrote "...child marriages are considered legal and appropriate for that era and society then". You think that this excuses Mahamood from the charge of pedophilia. You are mistaken. We are looking at Mahamood from the point of view of our advanced historical position, and by our standards he is a pedophile. Your assertion that "...child marriages are considered legal and appropriate for that era and society then..." is a false statement because of the use of the word "are". You should have used the word "were" and that may have been true. Just because something might have been considered acceptable in the past does not mean that it is acceptable now.

The charge of pedophilia against Mahamood still stands.

I'm sorry, but you do not get the $50,000 reward. Perhaps you would like to disprove some other charge against Mahamood? You are welcome to try.

Steed
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[Basileos]

[A Muslim]

Hello everyone and may Allah bless the Faithful,

The absence of Sina and the presence of others does give you the feeling that Sina is incapable of defending himself, and has to resort to others distracting the real debate, doesn�t it?

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[Kaisys]

[Always_Faithful]

Sure paedophile is an invented term, but so is every other word in existance! That's like saying no-one in the world was a rapist until a relevant word was coined for it. Paedophile is merely a term used to define one who has sex with a child. Mohammed did, ergo he was a paedophile.
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[gonzophilosopher]

Hello A Muslim,

you seem to be under the impression that pedophilia is only applied to non-marital consensual sex. However marrying a child and consummating that marriage is still pedophillia, still child abuse. The age of consent is not merely an arbitrary standard, but a limit set, based on medical and psychological knowledge, to protect children from the potential physical and mental damage that can be inflicted by a grown man inserting his adult penis into a child's vagina. Whilst child marriage was acceptable in the ancient world (during muhammad's time) the world has advanced and our collective knowledge vastly expanded. Unfortunately, due to the Islamic belief that Muhammad was "an example for all time" the abuse of children in the Islamic world is being cloaked by the veil of marriage.

Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old girl (Aisha), regardless of how his peers saw it at the time, the "moral" example has not lasted the test of time; we know better - sex with a child is harmful to the child and thus immoral. The charge against Muhammad still stands.

Regards,
Gonzo
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