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ANP
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| TRY SOME OTHER TACTICS IN THIS I FORUM( OR ASK YOUR IMAM ABOUT SOME NEW IDEAS).. |
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Being as im always helping muslims, this handy dandy list will save him a trip to the mosque
"Ways to Combat People Who Know About Islam on the Web"
(from instructional jihadi internet sites)
There are many out there who challenge our efforts to bring islam to the west.
Following are ways to deflect or sidetrack arguments of those who know about us
More "Muslim Web Marching Orders"
HOW TO DEBATE AND FRUSTRATE INFIDELS
By Ayesha Ahmed
Dear brothers and sisters in islam:
We live in kuffar country and daily we have to face the infidels who criticize Islam and our prophet, and who want to debate us. In an Islamic country if some one did that all we have to do is to announce loudly what he said and the rest is taken care of by an angry mob. The critic is lynched in no time. End of the story. However here we don't have that luxury as yet. Inshallah in forseeble future after we grow by conversions of morons and criminals in prisons, legal and illegal immigration and procreation we will, inshallah, become a majority and will not have to face this problem on daily basis. However, for the time being following is an approach all Muslim brothers and sisters can use when faced with such a pest. Jazakallah Khair. Inshallah the vermin will steer clear of you in future.
If short time, here is the short list
immediatly,jump to to his following life savers (thanks i think to sofia in out local venue)
1. Give a title of "Islamophopic' to the poster.
2. Put the blame on Christians,saying ' they too done it 2000 years ago.'
3.Tell the example of the one and only Thimothy Mcvay.who bombed his own people, and more over, he never cried out "'Jesus is greatwhile bombing.
4. If that too is not working,resort to curse the poster.
5. Then verbal attacks.
6. Threats of a severe nature
7. finally, quit (with out ansering that question asked).
The long list
1. A popular question is "why Islam calls for death of Islamic critics and apostates".
2. Insist that their info is false. Quote aya "to you your religion and to me my religion".
3. To answer "Islam is spread with the sword", say that it is a big lie spread by the Jews and Hindus and that Quran clearly says: there is no compulsion in religion".
4. If some one quotes violent ayas from Quran, accuse him of quoting ayas in bits and piece and cherry picking.
5. If he then quotes full ayas and ayas before and after, than insist that the translation is wrong.
6. If he brings ten different translations than say correct meanings can be understood only by reading Quran in Arabic.
7. If he happens to be well versed in Arabic language then insist that those ayas don’t mean what they appear to mean as they have allegorical meanings.
8. If he is adamant, than say you cannot understand those ayas and it’s context without reading hadith and sira.
9. If he shows up with the hadiths and siras in had and quotes the contest of the violent ayas by referring to hadiths of the Prophet’s rapes, robberies, assassinations and genocides then insist that "all hadiths and siras are heresay and are false, and only truth is in the Quran.
10. If he says Quran is a man made document and wants proof of it’s divinity then refer to the sciences in Quran and the book written by Dr. Bucaile confirming the sciences in our holy book. You can also quote that Gandhi read the Quran daily and spoke highly of it.
11. If he says that Bucaile was on Saudi payroll and that neither he nor Gandhi ever changed their religions and that Bucaile was challenged and proven wrong by many experts, then challenge him to ask his experts to debate Islamists like Zakir Naik…
12. If the pests still hang around then change the topic and find faults in other religions and their books.
13. If he continues on then use personal attacks and insult him by calling him a Jewish a$$hole, a Chinese pig, a Hindu dog, or a Nazi Islamophobe
14. If that does not frustrate him, then ask him how much he is being paid by Jews to throw dirt on Al Islam.
15. If he still does not stop then run for his mother and sister and use very filthy language.
16. If he is very stubborn and want to continue, then curse him like "Burn in Hell, you will repent on the last day, Allah will get you in your grave,"etc.
17. When all the above has failed, threaten him with bodily harm and end the debate by drum beating and announcing that you won the debate hands down because the Quran is the word of Allah.
18 Threats of a severe personal physical nature
19. finally, QUIT (with out ansering that question asked). |
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wachamalit
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Dishonesty and stupidity are always synonymous with being a Muslim.
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peacebewithyou
Joined: 17 Jan 2005
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CC wrote:
Being as im always helping muslims, this handy dandy list will save him a trip to the mosque
"Ways to Combat People Who Know About Islam on the Web"
(from instructional jihadi internet sites)
There are many out there who challenge our efforts to bring islam to the west.
Following are ways to deflect or sidetrack arguments of those who know about us
More "Muslim Web Marching Orders"
HOW TO DEBATE AND FRUSTRATE INFIDELS
By Ayesha Ahmed
Dear brothers and sisters in islam:
We live in kuffar country and daily we have to face the infidels who criticize Islam and our prophet, and who want to debate us. In an Islamic country if some one did that all we have to do is to announce loudly what he said and the rest is taken care of by an angry mob. The critic is lynched in no time. End of the story. However here we don't have that luxury as yet. Inshallah in forseeble future after we grow by conversions of morons and criminals in prisons, legal and illegal immigration and procreation we will, inshallah, become a majority and will not have to face this problem on daily basis. However, for the time being following is an approach all Muslim brothers and sisters can use when faced with such a pest. Jazakallah Khair. Inshallah the vermin will steer clear of you in future.
If short time, here is the short list
immediatly,jump to to his following life savers (thanks i think to sofia in out local venue)
1. Give a title of "Islamophopic' to the poster.
2. Put the blame on Christians,saying ' they too done it 2000 years ago.'
3.Tell the example of the one and only Thimothy Mcvay.who bombed his own people, and more over, he never cried out "'Jesus is greatwhile bombing.
4. If that too is not working,resort to curse the poster.
5. Then verbal attacks.
6. Threats of a severe nature
7. finally, quit (with out ansering that question asked).
The long list
1. A popular question is "why Islam calls for death of Islamic critics and apostates".
2. Insist that their info is false. Quote aya "to you your religion and to me my religion".
3. To answer "Islam is spread with the sword", say that it is a big lie spread by the Jews and Hindus and that Quran clearly says: there is no compulsion in religion".
4. If some one quotes violent ayas from Quran, accuse him of quoting ayas in bits and piece and cherry picking.
5. If he then quotes full ayas and ayas before and after, than insist that the translation is wrong.
6. If he brings ten different translations than say correct meanings can be understood only by reading Quran in Arabic.
7. If he happens to be well versed in Arabic language then insist that those ayas don’t mean what they appear to mean as they have allegorical meanings.
8. If he is adamant, than say you cannot understand those ayas and it’s context without reading hadith and sira.
9. If he shows up with the hadiths and siras in had and quotes the contest of the violent ayas by referring to hadiths of the Prophet’s rapes, robberies, assassinations and genocides then insist that "all hadiths and siras are heresay and are false, and only truth is in the Quran.
10. If he says Quran is a man made document and wants proof of it’s divinity then refer to the sciences in Quran and the book written by Dr. Bucaile confirming the sciences in our holy book. You can also quote that Gandhi read the Quran daily and spoke highly of it.
11. If he says that Bucaile was on Saudi payroll and that neither he nor Gandhi ever changed their religions and that Bucaile was challenged and proven wrong by many experts, then challenge him to ask his experts to debate Islamists like Zakir Naik…
12. If the pests still hang around then change the topic and find faults in other religions and their books.
13. If he continues on then use personal attacks and insult him by calling him a Jewish a$$hole, a Chinese pig, a Hindu dog, or a Nazi Islamophobe
14. If that does not frustrate him, then ask him how much he is being paid by Jews to throw dirt on Al Islam.
15. If he still does not stop then run for his mother and sister and use very filthy language.
16. If he is very stubborn and want to continue, then curse him like "Burn in Hell, you will repent on the last day, Allah will get you in your grave,"etc.
17. When all the above has failed, threaten him with bodily harm and end the debate by drum beating and announcing that you won the debate hands down because the Quran is the word of Allah.
18 Threats of a severe personal physical nature
19. finally, QUIT (with out ansering that question asked). |
This should be in islam wiki or resource center. It should be included in the book call "ISLAM for dummies". Good job.
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BL@KBIRD
Joined: 23 Feb 2006
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Welcome Slave of Allan
You perverted to islam a few years back? There is hope for you to regain your humanity then. Your mind hasn't been warped from birth. |
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DAVRON
Joined: 24 Aug 2007
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Location: KYRGYZSTAN
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: New muslim in town!!! |
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| Hi everyone! I new to the forum and im a muslim! Im really looking forward to talking to some people on this forum. You will definitely be hearing a lot from me! |
great ! lets get aquainted!
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sum
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I think that Slave of Allah has had second thoughts already and has become an apostate but dare not say so on the forum.
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StarBurst
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thank you all for being so kind! my religion is the truth so i wont be going anywhere nomad. i have no intentions of apostating and dont worry im already tasting my freedom.
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StarBurst
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SLAVEofallah SAYS
ill first tell you about mt experience of christianity. Imagine just for a second that there was a God. Why would the person that created everything that we can and can't see feel the need of a son? we know god is not like humans as god created everything including us. we feel the need for a son because we want children to love, something to show the love between a couple and whatever other reasons. God is not like humans so does he need a son? also jesus died for our sins does that mean i can now commit every sin i want because the punishment has already been taken by someone else. this did not make any sense to me so i knew christianity was a no no.
God created and sent Jesus down to earth to walk a humans life, to see the trials, temptations, the pain, the unjustice of real life so he would understand what humans he created were going thru.
Jesus died for our sins that we may be forgiven. This does not mean we can commit sins at will. It simply means if we sin, we go to him and repent, he forgives us, we pray and strive to do better. Christianity is a beautiful relationship with the Father, son, and holy ghost. Its not by our works and deeds but rather of faith and belief that we have Gods salvation and entrance to his kingdom.
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sofia
Joined: 29 Jul 2007
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Location: All lands with a flag of the cross
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SLAVE OF ALLAH SAYS;' Why would the person, who created everything ,feel the need for a son?
Did your priest / Imam told you like that in the friday mosque 'kutba'? What a vulgar way to put it. As if God felt the urge of intercourse,and proiduce a son. It is pure BLASPHAMEY you are writing.
This is the way, your Imams interprit other religions in a wrongfully degrading way, to boost Islam.
Slave, you remove that coloured glass of Islam for some time, and read as a normal human being the following:
1. It is very wrong to say that God felt the urge, and produced a son. This is vulgar,and it is a great sin. Jesus is the "spitirual son" of God.
I will give you an example:- Arabs are called 'the sons of the desert".
Does that mean the desert had intercourse to produce the Arabs as sons?
Actually, Jesus is a part of God-His own word. God wanted to come down to earth,to redeem man kind from the curse,he gave to Adam,when he disobeyed. GOD CAME DOWN TO EARTH, IN THE FORM OF JESUS,THROUGH MARY. HE NEVER HAD INTERCOURSE WITH HER, BUT HIS OWN 'WORD' CAME DOWN TO MARY TO CONCEIVE JESUS. Jesus is just God's INCARNATION.
This fact is confirmed in your KORAN too.(but refuses to call him Son of God) I will tell you why-
Your prophet Mohamed wanted to push his new religion ISLAM into the religious market. So to attract Christians, he took Jesus story, with a twist that he is NOT the Son of God, but just a prophet -and pushing himself up as a self made prophet. ( he thoought all Christians will convert to Islam).
To trap the JEWS, Mohamed first established his 'Kaba' in Jerusalem, and ordered all Muslims to face Jerusalem while praying 'namaz'. But, Jews are clever people, They never budged to his wishes. This made Mohamed angry, and from that day, Jews are cursed upon in his KOran.
Having failed with the Jews, he reverted back to Mecca for his 'Kaba", and to attract the pagan Arabs, who formed a majority in Mecca, he first destroyed the kaba,where these pagan Arabs were worshipping for ages. This made the pagans angry, and just to apease them, he established the old Kaba of the pagans,as the Muslim Kaba,and coiled a new story that Abraham and Adam built this Kaba for Muslims.
Slave of Allah, now you know who Jesus is? Even the Trinity of the Bible, you Muslims say" Christians worship three gods"
Which fool of an Ass TOLD YOU THAT Chrsitians worship three Gods? They worship ONLY ONE GOD, whose name is JEHOVA. God Jehowa's three attributes are:
!. God the Father
2. God's own word (made into flesh) Jesus (even Koran confirms it)
3. God;s own strength (called the Holy Spirit) Even Koran confirms
God's power is called 'Holy Spirt'.
So where is your three persons(Gods) the hristians worshipping?
Just put your thinking cap, and think for yourself Slave.
Slave of Allah, MOHAMED IS NOT A REAL PROPHET.(don;t get deceived)
hE LEADS YOU PEOPLE ALL ASTRAY.
yOU ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE.
DO NOT WASTE YOUR LIVES IN THIS EARTH.
Be a Slave to GOD, but never never to Mohammed.
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kjf512
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Let's talk about evolution.. that will get you out of islam real quickly.
This is one thing(we atheists) have to start doing - islam denies evolution of humans. They just believe that "allah" formed man from clay, breathed some spirit, and boom! human race!
This is dead wrong and goes against even the very basics of science.
If we can convince muslims of evolution(which is not hard.. I see that we have 2 college professors here, and many other smart peope) .. If we can convince them of evolution, then there is an error in their religion, and their religion is in error!
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sum
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"Ways to Combat People Who Know About Islam on the Web"
(from instructional jihadi internet sites)
19. finally, QUIT (with out ansering that question asked).
This is the favourite tactic of muslims on this forum. How many times have they argued their case and been shown to be wrong but instead of being intellectually honest and admit a flaw in Islam they just disappear from the thread. They would rather retire from the thread without a saying word than admit that Islam is at fault.
I can not recall any muslim accepting any criticism of any aspect of Islam as being valid. Something has affected their minds and they are nolonger intellectually honest.
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ronyvo
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| ANP wrote: |
| Canadian_Couple wrote: |
| sofia wrote: |
| TRY SOME OTHER TACTICS IN THIS I FORUM( OR ASK YOUR IMAM ABOUT SOME NEW IDEAS).. |
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Being as im always helping muslims, this handy dandy list will save him a trip to the mosque
"Ways to Combat People Who Know About Islam on the Web"
(from instructional jihadi internet sites)
There are many out there who challenge our efforts to bring islam to the west.
Following are ways to deflect or sidetrack arguments of those who know about us
More "Muslim Web Marching Orders"
HOW TO DEBATE AND FRUSTRATE INFIDELS
By Ayesha Ahmed
Dear brothers and sisters in islam:
We live in kuffar country and daily we have to face the infidels who criticize Islam and our prophet, and who want to debate us. In an Islamic country if some one did that all we have to do is to announce loudly what he said and the rest is taken care of by an angry mob. The critic is lynched in no time. End of the story. However here we don't have that luxury as yet. Inshallah in forseeble future after we grow by conversions of morons and criminals in prisons, legal and illegal immigration and procreation we will, inshallah, become a majority and will not have to face this problem on daily basis. However, for the time being following is an approach all Muslim brothers and sisters can use when faced with such a pest. Jazakallah Khair. Inshallah the vermin will steer clear of you in future.
If short time, here is the short list
immediatly,jump to to his following life savers (thanks i think to sofia in out local venue)
1. Give a title of "Islamophopic' to the poster.
2. Put the blame on Christians,saying ' they too done it 2000 years ago.'
3.Tell the example of the one and only Thimothy Mcvay.who bombed his own people, and more over, he never cried out "'Jesus is greatwhile bombing.
4. If that too is not working,resort to curse the poster.
5. Then verbal attacks.
6. Threats of a severe nature
7. finally, quit (with out ansering that question asked).
The long list
1. A popular question is "why Islam calls for death of Islamic critics and apostates".
2. Insist that their info is false. Quote aya "to you your religion and to me my religion".
3. To answer "Islam is spread with the sword", say that it is a big lie spread by the Jews and Hindus and that Quran clearly says: there is no compulsion in religion".
4. If some one quotes violent ayas from Quran, accuse him of quoting ayas in bits and piece and cherry picking.
5. If he then quotes full ayas and ayas before and after, than insist that the translation is wrong.
6. If he brings ten different translations than say correct meanings can be understood only by reading Quran in Arabic.
7. If he happens to be well versed in Arabic language then insist that those ayas don’t mean what they appear to mean as they have allegorical meanings.
8. If he is adamant, than say you cannot understand those ayas and it’s context without reading hadith and sira.
9. If he shows up with the hadiths and siras in had and quotes the contest of the violent ayas by referring to hadiths of the Prophet’s rapes, robberies, assassinations and genocides then insist that "all hadiths and siras are heresay and are false, and only truth is in the Quran.
10. If he says Quran is a man made document and wants proof of it’s divinity then refer to the sciences in Quran and the book written by Dr. Bucaile confirming the sciences in our holy book. You can also quote that Gandhi read the Quran daily and spoke highly of it.
11. If he says that Bucaile was on Saudi payroll and that neither he nor Gandhi ever changed their religions and that Bucaile was challenged and proven wrong by many experts, then challenge him to ask his experts to debate Islamists like Zakir Naik…
12. If the pests still hang around then change the topic and find faults in other religions and their books.
13. If he continues on then use personal attacks and insult him by calling him a Jewish a$$hole, a Chinese pig, a Hindu dog, or a Nazi Islamophobe
14. If that does not frustrate him, then ask him how much he is being paid by Jews to throw dirt on Al Islam.
15. If he still does not stop then run for his mother and sister and use very filthy language.
16. If he is very stubborn and want to continue, then curse him like "Burn in Hell, you will repent on the last day, Allah will get you in your grave,"etc.
17. When all the above has failed, threaten him with bodily harm and end the debate by drum beating and announcing that you won the debate hands down because the Quran is the word of Allah.
18 Threats of a severe personal physical nature
19. finally, QUIT (with out ansering that question asked). |
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Yes, this is hilarious, but true.I have, personally, experienced at least 10 on the list.
I started writing about Islam right after 9/11, the name calling was the least bother. The vicious empty circles and repitition, when I replied the same, they accused ME of repitions, was and is still common. The manipulation, distortion, pervertion misinterpritation of thir own Koranic surahs was shamelessly cited trying to portray Islam as a peaceful religion. I was, also, threatend with bodily harm, which I forwarded it to the FBI.
As I said, it is tue.
Add to that some of those Muslims, who disguise themselves as Jews, Christians or even pagans trying to discredit my writings.
They did not leave any thing in the deception book, which they did not use.
After all, their leader Mohammad was a liar and advise them to lie.
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Winston
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Hi Slave of Allah,
I wanted to ask you a question (if you have time) that has always bothered me about Islam:
Why do Muslims believe that it is a good thing to be a 'slave' to their God? How can Allah be a loving, kind and forgiving God if the best you can hope for is to have a master/slave relationship with him?
Slavery precludes choice, it is something that is forced onto people and if there is no choice then how can there be any love between you and Allah? Love/devotion is something that must be offered freely in a true relationship with God. If you are merely a slave to Gods will then it doesn't matter if you love him or if he loves you...all that matters is that you are obedient.
That then raises another issue: If your relationship with God is not about love but rather submittance and obedience to him then doesn't that make it easy for an imposter Prophet/God to come along and trick you into this bondage? If Mohammed was a false prophet and Allah is a false God then Muslims are slaves to a lie. This lie could easily corrupt you away from the truth but you wouldn't even notice because as a slave you have to be subdued and obedient. Don't you see any problems with that?
Thanks for you time...I hope you will answer
Winston
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ronyvo
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Hi Slave of Allah,
I wanted to ask you a question (if you have time) that has always bothered me about Islam:
Why do Muslims believe that it is a good thing to be a 'slave' to their God? How can Allah be a loving, kind and forgiving God if the best you can hope for is to have a master/slave relationship with him?
Slavery precludes choice, it is something that is forced onto people and if there is no choice then how can there be any love between you and Allah? Love/devotion is something that must be offered freely in a true relationship with God. If you are merely a slave to Gods will then it doesn't matter if you love him or if he loves you...all that matters is that you are obedient.
That then raises another issue: If your relationship with God is not about love but rather submittance and obedience to him then doesn't that make it easy for an imposter Prophet/God to come along and trick you into this bondage? If Mohammed was a false prophet and Allah is a false God then Muslims are slaves to a lie. This lie could easily corrupt you away from the truth but you wouldn't even notice because as a slave you have to be subdued and obedient. Don't you see any problems with that?
Thanks for you time...I hope you will answer
Winston |
Very good question.
Please, let me know the answer IF YOU GET A REASONABLE ONE.
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frodo
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maybe gift of virgins in heaven turn him to islam. But I doubt he wasn't muslim before really. 
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